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Ebony Chess Pieces

sparky2952
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How can you tell if the wood set is actually ebony or chidor?
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Ebony Wood for Chess Sets If purchasing a ebony chess set, examine it closely. Ebonized wood is an imitation of real ebony, inexpensive wood that has been stained black, and is identifiable by its grain, mottling or lighter weight. Ebony is a dense and heavy wood used for making a variety of chessmen. Ebony is one of the most difficult woods to carve given its hardness, and traditionally only master carvers were given the opportunity. Ebony trees are relatively small, and are found in the tropical rainforests of Africa, India, Ceylon, Malaysia, and Indonesia. The bark of ebony is tan and generally light in color, and the outer wood is a soft white. It is the inner portion of the tree that is fine-grained, dense, dark colored, strong and heavy, and has been prized for centuries. Colors: Known for its jet-black color, ebony varies from deep black to dark red, with a variety of rich dark shades. Heartwood may display dramatic and irregular striping of bright brown, gray or greenish black on a deep black background. It is genetics that determines the shade, along with moisture, mineral content of the soil, and age/growth rate of the tree. Generally, the darker ebony is found at higher altitudes and from older trees. Ebony with more red tones has its origin at lower altitudes and from soil with greater iron content. Grain: Ebony wood's grain is commonly straight (though sometimes irregular), and the texture of the wood is fine and even. Weight: Ebony is a very hard and dense. That is why Ebony is heavier than water and not capable of floating!!!
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Well, well, well... This particular thread topic has not, apparently, seen the light of day for years! Hard to believe this little group has already been around that long! Going on 4 1/2 years? If this group hits 5 years, does something happen? Looking back on the excellent initiating question, as well as the detailed and fine answer from our fearless co-leader Robert (I bow before you.... never enough brown nosing from this past Loquacious Qontributor right here...!)... I still have a sincere question or two about this material in relation to other hard - or even soft woods... (It would seem to me that accurate identification of the hundreds of type of woods might be even more difficult than identification of various bones and ivories. Well, at least it would seem that way to me.) Questions: 1.) Despite the guidance from Robert, how does one know for sure that a particular chess set, advertised by an ebay (or even another website) seller as having ebony pieces - is not made with just another type of dark and heavy hardwood? Most of us are not experts (whatever that means) in such identification. Sometimes, I think that at least some sellers have good intentions, but are just hearing from the manufacturer or maker of the set, and take their word for it... 2.) As you know, many of these sets are made in India. As I hear it, ebony is become more and more scarce. If that is indeed the case, then how can so many alleged ebony sets still be on the market, and are still being made? John, from cold, cold Vermont (was minus 7 degrees F this morning. Anyone from a southern state or country want to trade places?) 😉
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John, from cold, cold Vermont (was minus 7 degrees F this morning. Anyone from a southern state or country want to trade places?) me Me ME It's supposed to be 62 degrees and sunny here before the weekend is over. Gray and foggy right now.
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If you go with the flow you'll either get washed out to sea or be dammed.
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Johnny v, I don't know about your second Q, but an answer to the first is obvious. If you want to find out if you got ebony, do the water witch test. Ya know the one where like to test for a witch...uh ebony pieces, you throw the alleged item in water. If they drown er I mean if they sink to the bottom, then they were indeed innocent---check that, they were ebony. If the water rejects them and they are fake ebony, they will of course float. ;-) Just be sure to take the weights out if they got any. You wouldn't want for them to result in a false postive for ebony! B-) Dan
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Huh! I had a boss a few years ago I should have tried that test on. Probably an unnecessary exercise, actually. There's no doubt in my mind she would sunk like a stone. And she definitely wasn't Ebony. -- Edited by d-baron at 01/15/2011 6:53 PM PST -- Edited by d-baron at 01/15/2011 6:59 PM PST
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If you go with the flow you'll either get washed out to sea or be dammed.
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Search for nicks and chips or scratch it from underside.
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Ok, I have waited nicely and patiently just in case anyone else wanted to respond.... and to give the Bonham's Auction attendees opportunity to pay attention to the auction (and to even recover) ;-) Thanks to those who did responded... whether in seriousness, or even in jest! (I enjoyed them all!) Remaining question... So, assuming that there are no nicks or scratches (and an exposed lighter color beneath that might indicate "ebonized", etc.), and assuming that the wood does sink (regardless of whether the witches are real or phony)... are folks saying that there are no other simlarly dense woods that would also sink? There are, reportedly, North American ironwoods that I believe, but am not sure, sink. Among them, supposedly, are American hornbeam, mesquite, and leadwood. Here's a link that notes the different densities of various woods. http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/wood-density-d_40.html However, I am not a specialist on wood types and their characteristics. Any more discussion on this particular topic before it falls back to sleep for a few years? John. PS: Despite my continued questioning, a sincere thanks to all who have already responded. 🙂
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John, scratch it yourself from the underside.
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John, As you know I worked with many "exotic" woods for many years as a cabinetmaker. But even beyond that during my war years, there are rivers in Thailand that supposedly are shy of sluices based on the number of Teak logs that fell into the water and were never recovered. As for myself, I take previously written information at face value because I would never place teak, ebony, and many others into water to check this fact...they are far to valuable and I don't want to risk them getting wet__period ! Unfortunately, a vast majority of my books are still packed away but I do have books on wood identifications and I will look into them in the foreseeable future and try to offer another and better explantion for identifying ebony and maybe a couple others. Later, Clay Neubert
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As far as I have understood, "ebony" is ambiguous in general use and might mean a number of different dark hardwoods. Some have light stripes, some do not &c. Is it possible that some ebony-like dark hardwoods do not sink? -- Edited by dancing_with_volves at 01/20/2011 12:06 PM PST
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Without consulting my books further, due to its extreme density, I would hazard to say all ebonies sink but am not 100% sure of this. A personal favorite is Macassar ebony with its rich coffee color straking (graining) that apepars while Gaboon ebony is a bit "radical" in its grain appearance...a matter of personal preference and nothing more. The wording from other online sources leads to the POSSIBILITY that there are some ebonies that do not sink ? A similar but different statement that I have not found an answer to in all these years is that "balsa wood is the lightest commercially available hardwood" so what is lighter than that ? The key words are "commercially available" which represent something close to 10% of all known species of wood. Keep in mind... hardwood comes from trees with leaves, softwoods come from trees with needles ! It is a pure definition and nothing more separates hard from soft woods. Density, weight, hardness all are additional separate and distinct factors and have nothing to do with being a soft or hardwood. I hope that this helps a little but I fear that it raises more questions than it answers at the moment. Clay Neubert
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Good point. I have seen an eBay listing which claims that if you can make a wrinkle on wood by pressing it with an edge of your fingernail, then it is "softwood".
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BTW, Clayton, I just found this: http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/20360 http://www.flyingtigers.ca/Articles/Balsa%20Wood.htm You must be aware of what they say in general. The point which I wanted to post is that Balsa is the lightest "wood" in it's everyday sense by them. -- Edited by dancing_with_volves at 01/21/2011 5:22 AM PST
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Kristjan, Even I found your references interesting ! Thank You ! Generalized statements are like statistics__they can be interpreted to say what you want, IMO. From experience, you can intentionally press a fingernail into a majority of woods that I am familiar with and leave a mark. On the other hand, some woods actually get harder with age. I have never found a natural wood that would not compiment another natural wood. The problem comes with trying to stain one to imitate another. Understanding wood is very much like understanding chess sets. No matter how much I know or have learned, there is always so much more that I believe I will never fully understand... both leave me in a constant state or learning which contributes largely to my staying so young at heart. LOL ! Clay Neubert
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