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Sellers beware: Ebay DOES NOT honor their International Standard Delivery $100 indemnity / lost pkgs


Sellers beware: Ebay DOES NOT honor their International Standard Delivery $100 indemnity for lost packages.

Here is eBay’s page about the international standard delivery program:
Introducing eBay international standard delivery
https://community.ebay.com/t5/Announcements/Introducing-eBay-international-standard-delivery/ba-p/30...

It’s basically like the Global Shipping Program except the customs fees are not paid in advance.
The page states:
“Each purchase of the eBay international standard delivery service includes a shipping protection plan to help in case of lost or damaged items. eBay will also protect you by removing negative and neutral feedback and defects when things happen that are outside your control (like late deliveries due to weather or carrier delays.) “

*You have to click the link at the bottom to find this page:
https://pages.ebay.com/seller-center/shipping/ebay-international-standard-delivery.html
*Where this can be found:
Seller protections
We will protect you by removing negative and neutral feedback and defects when things happen that are outside your control. This could include weather or carrier delays, or when the item arrives late but tracking shows you shipped on time.
Read our Seller Protections policy →

*Then you can finally click the shipping protection link and find this:
https://pages.ebay.com/sell/send/termsofservice.html

You’re Covered for Shipping Loss and Damage
You’re protected under this Shipping Protection Plan (“SPP”) in amount not to exceed the lesser of (i) the total sale price (including taxes) of those products or items contained in any individual shipment or (ii) one hundred dollars ($100.00 USD).”

***EXCEPT***
Except when eBay’s program loses you package, they actually try really, really hard to mislead you, delay you and exhaust you until time periods to resolve anything are passed.

**Note: During this entire case, my buyer never contacted me by messages. My buyer only communicated with eBay and Paypal and their interfaces and representatives. My buyer also never replied, not once, to any messages sent to my buyer. Nothing can be accomplished if communication is refused.


5/25/2020 - The buyer bought the item ($40) + $17 shipping [an address in Mexico]
5/26/2020 - I shipped the item via ISD program [not GSP] to Erlanger Hub as is the process.
5/30/2020 - Package arrives in KY
6/5/2020 - Package arrive in Melrose Park [Apparently somewhere in Germany?]
6/19/2020 - package is scanned in Frankfurt/M [Apparently a hub in Mexico]
7/21/2020 - buyer opens a case in the resolution center: did not receive item
7/21/2020 - I reply with tracking information provided to me by eBay.
7/23/2020 - I contact eBay by phone and explain this package is nearly two months in transit and obviously lost and request they please reimburse my customer (or me, so I can) according to their stated ISD policies.
The rep tells me they will put the resolution center case on administrative hold for a period to see if the package will show up and if it doesn’t then to proceed with ‘the package is lost’ scenario.
7/23/2020 - resolution center case put on administrative hold.
*I trusted eBay to resolve this as it is their obligation. They, apparently, ignored it and it did not go away.

8/DATE/2020 - I contacted eBay by phone, multiple times, related to the status of this case. I was transferred to multiple agents, multiple times. Numerous times I had to re-read the above indemnity declarations as the representatives I spoke to seemed to have no knowledge of this program or it’s guarantees.

8/9/2020 - My buyer gave up on eBay’s resolution center and opened an item not received case through Paypal to receive their refund.

8/DATE/2020 - I contacted eBay again about the case and was again assured I was not at fault and the responsibility lies with eBay.

8/10/2020 - email received: Eloise from eBay customer support suggested, via email, over two months after eBay lost my package, that I apologize for the delay due to the pandemic and advised me to send an invoice to the customer from Paypal and request the buyer pay for it again. —— ??!?! why !?!!??

8/14/2020 - After yet another phone conversation with eBay customer service, I received and email from Kelsey R. Global Shipping specialist stating my package: “was mis-routed to Germany instead of to your buyer in Mexico. After this, the tracking stops progressing. This is a rare situation but, one that can happen with our consolidation center and so we will get you and your buyer taken care of. I have closed the Item Not Received claim with a full refund to your buyer. They will receive their refund in the next 24-72 hours. Rest assured, you will not be held responsible for this refund. Your funds may be on a brief hold but, should be available to you again in a few days as well. I understand how important this is, and so I trust I have answered your concerns fully. I am glad that I was able to assist you today and hope you have a good rest of your day. Thank you! I wish you the best with your future sales, and hope you have a great rest of your day. Kelsey R. Global Shipping Specialist”

8/14/2020: I informed my customer through the Paypal dispute interface. In english and also in Spanish.
*** But they did not do that either.

8/18/2020 - email received: Marlon M., eBay representative, confirmed: “I do understand that you're having a situation about the item that you listed, it is unfortunate to see that transaction did not go as expected I will do my best to help you out. I see that you want to appeal the closed claim. Based on record that this claim was closed last August 10 as NO SELLER FAULT, meaning that buyer will be refunded and you will still get paid. So basically no loss on both parties. But the unusual thing is the buyer also filed a dispute on Paypal for a chargeback, I think the buyer was not aware of the result of the claim. What you need to do is to tell the buyer to contact us and since that the buyer filed a Paypal dispute, check within Paypal and tell them that eBay resolved the case.”

8/18/2020 - I notified my buyer by messages, as directed by Marlon, In english and also in Spanish, my buyer did not respond. I even asked the paypal representative that I spoke to on the phone if Paypal could pass this instruction to my buyer, my buyer did not respond.

9/7/2020 - Paypal debited my account $57 and gave it to the buyer.

9/7/2020 - not wanting to spend another 45 minutes+ on the phone with eBay customer service explaining everything all over again, I replied to my last received email describing the outcome I received and informing eBay they owed me $57. I received a generic email in reply stating they aren’t monitoring this address and a link to help/home (To call by phone)

***The solution was simple: From the first notice, the package had already been missing almost 5 weeks. It is lost. It is under the maximum indemnity by more than half. Pay it.

Instead, I received numerous uninformed customer service representatives. I received reimbursement assurances but no reimbursement. I followed all of the instructions and am still out the $57.

What a pitiful amount of money to hassle a seller with this much. I spent well over 3 hours on the phone with eBay through at least 5 phone calls, probably more… Not to mention all of the messages and resolution center instructions. I have spent well over any time warranted by $57 on this one transaction. It is not the dollar amount. It is the principle of the matter. I put this effort and time in, following every instruction given, to properly get my customer refunded. My customer did their part: Pay. I did my part: Ship / On time / To the given address. Ebay did not do their part: indemnity not provided to the seller for misrouted/lost package.

That is called Bad Faith.

That is what I received from eBay.

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Hopefully you won’t have a similar experience.
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Sellers beware: Ebay DOES NOT honor their International Standard Delivery $100 indemnity / lost pkgs

that is a typcial ploy of companies that do not want to pay out on insurance,its right out of the playbook

 

its called "delay and deny'


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@bigislandtoysFew things I want to touch on, some that were already mentioned by a few here.

 

Seems like it's not the Ebay International Standard Delivery and it's department specifically that failed you... but rather Ebay as a whole and their relationship with Paypal. Here's why. Since the beginning of time, Ebay has never had jurisdiction over Paypal and their processes. The thing that killed you is that the buyer went and filed a Paypal case. That's a simple method that buyers do to basically sidestep ebay policies or go over ebay's head. The $100 insurance covers anything that happened within ebay, not anything outside (Paypal). Ebay doesn't have the power to control what Paypal does. It is a separate beast on it's own. I believe opting into Managed Payments would solve this issue (one of the selling points to MP). I think this is the case despite me not being in MP myself yet either.

 

Unfortunately you were given bogus info from one or more of your CS agents. I've done Ebay International Standard Delivery hundreds of times so far and gotten a few insurance claims (loss) paid out to me just fine. Yes, as others have said they don't cover the shipping you charged the buyer. So had you gone thru the correct channels and filed a claim... you would've gotten $40, not $57. What I believe happened to you was that one or more of your CS agents found your case to be too much of a hassle and just decided to "pay both parties out". They just gave you your money back and paid the buyer with their own pocket and considered the matter settled. That is why you got $57 and not $40. You didn't file a claim so insurance was never involved. You got a "courtesy credit" basically to keep you happy and make you stop bothering ebay.

 

The problem with that courtesy credit is that it probably doesn't show up in Paypal's records that this was done. As far as Paypal knows, you still have the buyer's original payment. And when the buyer filed in Paypal that they didn't receive the item, Paypal just treated it as a usual item not received case and issued the refund because tracking doesn't show delivery.

 

In response to your issue with the tracking number. It doesn't matter if there are two tracking numbers on your label. What matters is the one that is uploaded to ebay... the ESUS____ one. There are a few tracking websites that can track ESUS numbers better. Here's two http://parcelsapp.com/en/tracking https://www.trackmyshipment.co/shipment-tracking I've even had some buyers file Not received directly from ebay and I was able to use the ESUS tracking and "Other" carrier. I typed in the field for Paypal to check the tracking in one of those websites that shows item delivered. And I won the claim.

 

Sorry you had to go thru this. It seems you just had too many coincidental unfortunate things happen at once to make you lose out. A "Perfect Storm" of obstacles.

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Pirateship is great until they decide to drop you. Or shall I say "they" won't, but Shipsurance will which provides the coverage and when they do it, it's for LIFE unless you jump through all sorts of hoops to even have a chance of straightening it out.

 

 

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Shipcover doesn't cover shipping though, which kinda defeats the purpose. To get your money back on the item yea that's cool, but to then lose God knows how much in shipping to that expensive International purchase is not cool....

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Sellers beware: Ebay DOES NOT honor their International Standard Delivery $100 indemnity / lost pkgs

Right. They were paid to deliver it. They didn't. Not reimbursing the shipping on lost packages is a 'known' but still does not seem 'right'.

reply button to bigdeals doesn't work: but agree with him and the above. With this new service, before the MP setup, I received a plenty of incorrect instructions, delays, and denials.

Its their new service. When I am told "Do this" by customer service, and I do ... ...why would I think twice about it? You wouldn't. ...

Maybe they'll read this post eventually, realize they treated me wrong and send me my fifty bucks that they owe me. What do you think? I doubt it.

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@bigislandtoys wrote:

Sellers beware: Ebay DOES NOT honor their International Standard Delivery $100 indemnity for lost packages.

 

8/DATE/2020 - I contacted eBay by phone, multiple times, related to the status of this case. I was transferred to multiple agents, multiple times. Numerous times I had to re-read the above indemnity declarations as the representatives I spoke to seemed to have no knowledge of this program or it’s guarantees.

8/9/2020 - My buyer gave up on eBay’s resolution center and opened an item not received case through Paypal to receive their refund.

8/DATE/2020 - I contacted eBay again


That right there ^^ eBay involvement, along with your $100 indemnity, ended on 8/9/2020.

 

The next time you contacted eBay, on 8/DATE/2020, all eBay actions and promises were already impotent: PayPal is in charge now. So eBay cannot touch the payment, despite saying we've

- refunded the buyer,

- closed the case,

- and paid you too.

None of can happen. Unfortunately, timing is everything.

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eBay wants you to send the buyer a PayPal invoice and repay because they were refunded twice.

Once through eBay's $100 Indemnity and then by PayPal.

 

Refunds go back to the card and take a few days minimum to a whole billing period to show up. MAYBE the  buyer didn't realize this and when he didn't see the money right away he thought eBay was lying again and filed a claim on PayPal.  PayPal did not know the buyer  was double dipping. If you didn't  respond with a tracking number showing delivered or contacted PayPal immediately in the case and on the phone to let them know they were refunded by eBay and double dipping isn't allowed then  they naturally refunded the buyer. They could have refunded just because there was no proof of delivery. 

 

Now you just have to appeal the refund with PayPal.  BUT FIRST send the buyer a money request on PayPal with a message saying to please repay the PayPal refund, that he has received payouts from eBay and PayPal and as a result you have no payment for the item and he's been unjustly enriched.  Double dipping isn't allowed. Then if he doesn't repay appeal the case with PayPal. You'll be able to show he got refunded twice and won't repay the PayPal refund.

 

BTW eBay did not lose your package. You mailed directly to your buyer in Mexico and not to KY.  USPS lost it. 

 

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@laperlalady

Yes, they should have.  However, PayPal did not know that eBay refunded because the refund was not taken from the PayPal hold. When a buyer files an eBay claim PayPal takes the money back from the seller and temporarily holds it. Then whoever wins gets the money, usually the buyer. In this case it went back to the seller because they won. They got to keep the money because eBay went in eBay's pocket for the refund because Indemnity insurance paid it.  So it closed with the payment being restored back to the seller.  When the buyer loses they can then go to PayPal and file there.  They filed and there was no delivered tracking and therefore they won.  The seller should appeal to PayPal with the additional information about the buyer was reimbursed by indeminity before they filed a PayPal claim.  I think it can get straightened out.

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Yep, they just lost a $725 bowl of mine.  Oops, too bad was all I got after hours on the phone, appeals and  attempts to contact DHL in Germany.  Ebay of course gave the buyer, who never claimed the package which is why it was sent back and lost, a full refund.  I had to pay shipping and I suspect that ebay kept their 13%.  Once again, the seller is screwed.  Never, ever, ever ship internationally.   

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I had the same experience. I sent a package to Italy Jan 4 by ebay international shipping which states items are insured up to $100. What a hoax. The buyer notified me in April he had not received it. I spent hours on the phone with ebay and they keep reassuring me that I will get the $30 plus the $22 shipping refunded to me. To no avail. I am not only out the $52 but the final value fees.  It is most aggravating, No more will I use the ebay international shipping option but will use the good old usps. Getting a claim thru the post office is bad enough, but in the two times that I had to file a claim with them, I received the insurance. eBay no longer cares about their sellers and I am furious and fed up with them, especially over this lie that they insure items up to $100 on the ebay international shipping option.  I wrote to the CEO but it does not good. I have not heard a word and am not surprised.  I may stop doing ebay all together and go on ruby lane or etsy. Sellers, be ware of ebay. They have really screwed it up.

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Same thing happened to me.  Ebay Int. Shipping tracking just stopped.  Had to go to DHL Ecommerce.  That tracking stopped once package hit Moracco delivery terminal.  Package has been sitting at the delivery terminal in Moracco for two weeks.  Ebay no help whatsoever.  Just delaying.  Telling me to wait for delivery confirmation.  Contacted Paypal they said it was an Ebay issue.  Paypal gave me a $50 voucher.  I love Paypal.  Ebay is absolute **bleep** trash!!!

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@raypa_9447 

If your buyer does not receive their package and you have to refund, you can make an insurance claim that comes with the program.

 

https://www.pip-claim.com/PIPClaim/eBayIntClaim/CreateeBayClaim

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I stopped using Ebay International Shipping a while ago, after they deny two claims, despite I did everything correctly.  You also have to file with a 3rd party insurance who tries to find every loophole to deny you.  Not worth it.

 

Just ship with UPS Worldwide.  Easy insurance coverage and REAL delivery confirmation which Ebay can't deny if there's a problem.  I use to ship 100s of international with Ebay.  All my international shipping business has now gone to UPS.

 

Try it, you'll thank me.

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Hi everyone,

Due to the age of this thread, it has been closed to further replies. Please feel free to start a new thread HERE if you wish to continue to discuss this topic.

Thank you for understanding.

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