11-18-2020 10:47 PM
Hello eBay community,
Just now I got my first return item request. I don't accept return requests as a seller because I mostly sell smaller lower value items and the shipping costs in general are easily half of the item value. So it doesn't seem worth the hassle. In this example we also have a $8 item with $5 shipping.
Reason for returning: "Just didn't like it" with a full caps lock comment about how the quality is not as good as he thought it would be and he also expected the item to be bigger.
This is an older item and I personally thought that with the information in the listing and the added pictures it was very visible what you were going to buy. I regularly sell similar quality and type items to other people that give me positive feedback, so it seems like this buyer in general might not really know what to expect when buying these kind of goods.
So looking into the eBay help & info it seems like I don't have to accept this return. Although I got a very heavy feeling that this buyer is probably allowed (and going to?) give me a negative feedback if I don't help him in at least some way (?)
For now I have decided to answer the following:
"I am sorry to hear you are not happy with the purchase. From what I understand you prefer to return the item.
From what I see in the listing with the pictures and information mentioned, I personally thought the age and size of the item were pretty clear. In this situation you could return the item, but to do that you would have to pay your own return shipment. Also keep in mind that it would have to be returned with a tracking code, which might be more expensive than the value of the item.
Please let me know if you would like to continue with the return or would prefer another solution.
best regards,"
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11-21-2020 10:33 AM
This got pretty off topic and not sure if the thread should stay open, so I'm closing it. Thanks for the replies! Feel free to PM me if there is anything specific or good scenario example you still want to share.
I'll be honest, I don't think all of this is very fair to sellers, but I guess I'll have to get used to it more as I plan on selling more here. And if someone brings up issues with a low value item, just refund, block and go.
11-19-2020 01:24 AM
Go here: https://www.ebay.com/help/selling/managing-returns-refunds/handle-return-request-seller?id=4115
Scroll to section: Your options for responding to a return request
Click "You don't accept returns in your policy, and the buyer changed their mind about a purchase" to see the options you have.
From there you can read on further for the rest of the process: On how to accept a return, buyer returning the item and the refund processes (full or partial, etc.)
Follow their procedure.
In section: Refunding the buyer
11-19-2020 01:28 AM - edited 11-19-2020 01:30 AM
You have these options:
If you stated in your listing that you don't accept returns when a buyer changes their mind, you're not obliged to accept their return request. However, if you do, you'll provide a great customer experience that encourages the buyer to purchase from you in the future.
Here are your response options:
Accept the return: The buyer will send the item back to you for a full refund (this may or may not include the original shipping costs).
If you offered free shipping, you'll need to refund the buyer the full amount that they paid.
You can advise the buyer that they'll be responsible for covering return shipping costs, or you can provide a label.
If the item is returned used or damaged, you may qualify to issue the buyer a partial refund. See our partial refund guidelines.
Offer a partial refund: You'll issue a partial refund to the buyer, and they'll keep the item. This can be useful when the buyer ordered the wrong thing by accident—for example, the wrong color or size—and you'd like to offer them a gesture of goodwill.
Give a full refund: You'll issue a full refund to the buyer, and they'll keep the item. Depending on your return policy, this may or may not include the original shipping cost. This is a good option for low-value items.
Offer a replacement or exchange if you're a non-managed payments seller: You may offer a replacement (another of the same item) or exchange (a different, but similar item) instead of a return.
How to offer a replacement or exchange
Decline the return: You can decline the return request if you've stated in your listing that you don't accept returns.
Send the buyer a message: If you have any questions regarding the buyer's request, you can contact them directly.
How to send the buyer a message
If you respond to the request but don't come to an agreement with the buyer after 3 business days, you or the buyer can ask us to step in and help.
If we're asked to step in to help, we'll ask the buyer to return the item to you. If the item is returned used or damaged, you will no longer be able to issue a partial refund to the buyer even if you qualify to issue partial refunds under our seller protections.
11-19-2020 01:53 AM - edited 11-19-2020 01:57 AM
The approach is this:
Giving a full refund, since the item is low value, is the quickest way to deal with it with happy ending/positive feedback so you can focus on the next sale. This option can encouraging to the buyer to be a repeat customer though some will argue whether you even want a buyer like that back. Put them on your block list.
If the buyer is requesting a return, accept it to get your item back to resell with the procedure for them to return it on their dime or issue the label yourself to get your item back. If these return requests happen not to often, you can do something in a good will gesture fashion this time, then put them on your block list if you want.
Or deny the return altogether since the reason is a buyer's remorse reason. This could make them go to PayPal or even chargeback if they took offense of your denying their request.
11-19-2020 03:03 AM
Hi, thank you for your very helpful answers!
In what at least was an unexpected turn of events for me, the buyer decided to close the request and as far as I can see did not leave any answer on my comment there. I'm doubting now if I should message him through normal messaging center to say he can still let me know about his preferred solution, or I should just keep silent and hope to get no negative feedback. Also not sure if I should block him or not.
I wasn't planning on ever denying the request, as that feels like a guaranteed negative feedback that you will receive on your account and I want to try my best to stay 100%. 🙂 So what I mostly learned from this experience is that it's very similar (when you don't accept returns) to a request in the resolution center where it pretty much depends on the behavior and responses of the buyer what the solution ends up being.
11-19-2020 05:03 AM
.. Don't "poke the Bear" ..
He closed the request, move on ..
11-19-2020 10:42 AM
Yep, it happened, they left me negative feedback although they didn't even reply on my message in the return request... Well, now I will have to private message the buyer and hope they revert...
11-19-2020 12:07 PM
No point in arguing with a buyer.
If you can decline the return, do so if you like but be aware that if it was paid by paypal they can return it that way.
11-19-2020 12:54 PM
Not sure if that was clear from my messages, but I never declined the return. The buyer decided to close the return request themselves without replying on my message and then left the negative feedback on my account.
I am still open to work out a solution for them, but I guess things got a lot more complicated because they closed that return request. 😕
11-21-2020 09:15 AM
It's been 2 days now. Buyer has never responded on my original reply in the return request and is also not replying on the private message.
According to the eBay FAQ I would have to ask him to 'revise feedback', but as I've never been able to get in contact with this buyer that doesn't seem to make sense to do.
I'll give him another day to reply and then I think I'll get in contact with the eBay customer support to see if they can do something about it. The negative feedback is not fair if the buyer doesn't even want to talk to me to find a solution. As I've never contacted eBay about something like this before, any advice is welcome. I hope I have any chance of getting the feedback removed. 😕
11-21-2020 09:21 AM
Ignore the negative and move on.
Put them on your blocked bidders list.
11-21-2020 09:59 AM
@maakieblablabla wrote:
For now I have decided to answer the following:
"I am sorry to hear you are not happy with the purchase. From what I understand you prefer to return the item.
From what I see in the listing with the pictures and information mentioned, I personally thought the age and size of the item were pretty clear. In this situation you could return the item, but to do that you would have to pay your own return shipment. Also keep in mind that it would have to be returned with a tracking code, which might be more expensive than the value of the item.
Please let me know if you would like to continue with the return or would prefer another solution.
best regards,"
Sorry this happened to you, but let me be blunt. If you had sent me that above message, I would also have given you negative feedback! That second paragraph is "arguing with the customer." I would feel like you are telling me I can't or didn't read the listing and as such am an idiot. I would be offended.
So that might explain some of the response you got from the buyer.
Selling is about CUSTOMER SERVICE! How you do that will factor into your success as a seller. Nine times out of ten it makes sense to start off apologetic and conciliatory. You want to be helpful to the buyer and let them know you are willing to look for a solution. Telling a buyer that they are going to have to return the item at a cost that is equal to the value of the item would also pizz me off! So you get a buyer defensive and they are less likely to be willing to work with you.
On a business perspective, this whole thing is wrong. You sold an item for $8, it cost you $5 to ship it, you paid $0.80 to ebay (plus any listing fees) and $0.24 to PayPal or CC processing. The potential "profit" from the item is $1.96!!! Is it worth a bad reputation to forgo less than $2 worth of profit? You can live without the money, can your business survive with a bad reputation?
What I figured out as a seller was that people make mistakes and "returns happen." So when a return happens, I weigh up my costs and the risks and act accordingly. I use to get upset by returns as it "cost me" money. Then I realized that I needed a contingency plan in place to handle returns. So the I started "taxing" each sale: setting aside 5% in a 'cookie jar' fund. Then when a return happened, I had money set aside I could use to pay for return shipping. Also, I made sure that I held a 'reserve' of money to cover any refunds that happened. i.e. the money was not "my Money" until after 30-days when most return requests occur. Once I made these changes to my business, returns were less stressful and I have resources and a plan in place to handle them.
On low priced items, where shipping is a large majority of the cost, the best approach is to just apologize and issue a full refund. Create a happy camper, but block them from future buying.
Rethink that 'no returns' policy. We see too many sellers get hung up on that. If buyer had claimed SNAD then you would have had to give a full refund anyway. Problem is that many fight a SNAD because they have a 'no returns' policy and get run over by the realities of eBay's MBG policy. So in most cases you are going to have to accept a return. Why not build returns into your business plan in the first place?
Hope this helps? Good luck selling!
11-21-2020 10:21 AM - edited 11-21-2020 10:24 AM
Hrmm, I didn't think I sounded rude as I just wanted to explain why returning wouldn't be the best thing to do and then bring up the other option to solve the issue. I guess it's better to then to not explain a buyer the situation. It feels weird for me to ignore the situation and see people recommending me to just block people. Outside of eBay my selling was always with fellow collectors so I'm used to communicating first. This has been quite shocking for me. Anyway, thanks for the feedback. Next time if something like this were to happen it seems better to not even talk to them and just issue a (partial) refund and then block them.
Returns are not really do-able for me with the high shipping costs vs item price, so I think full refunds with SNAD is 'cheaper' than accepting returns (?). I am afraid that if I list on my profile I freely accept returns I will be in way more lost money with people freely returning than every now and then a SNAD that requires a full refund. Just guessing, I'm new here. 😉 It's also for me a lot cheaper to ship these items to the USA ($5 average) while it can cost $15-20 for items shipping back.
11-21-2020 10:33 AM
This got pretty off topic and not sure if the thread should stay open, so I'm closing it. Thanks for the replies! Feel free to PM me if there is anything specific or good scenario example you still want to share.
I'll be honest, I don't think all of this is very fair to sellers, but I guess I'll have to get used to it more as I plan on selling more here. And if someone brings up issues with a low value item, just refund, block and go.
11-21-2020 11:09 AM - edited 11-21-2020 11:13 AM
I think there is a different perspective and way to "see" what what others might see in what you wrote so I am offering that view point. You are free to accept this view or reject it.
Any "explanation" to a buyer is going to come off as argumentative. We see this all the time, sellers who want to 'reason' with a buyer to get them to see things the seller's way. It rarely works out for the seller. Any buyer who takes the time to ask for a refund is likely not happy about something. So being cognizant of that and accommodating to it is often Job #1.
The first part of that note suggested that all of the info was there in the listing. The easy implication being that the buyer was too stupid or lazy to read it. When I encounter stuff like this, I put on my "buyer" hat and see things from the buyer's perspective and then think, "What would I want?" in this situation. That usually leads to a happy resolution.
While yes, explaining that the cost to return ship, does make logical sense, it sounds like you aren't willing to take the return. Plus the buyer now realizes that they are going to lose money by sending it back so figures it isn't worth it and now might feel cheated.
No one is suggesting you not work with the buyer as you can, just that the approach needs empathy and a different style. Put on your buyer's hat as a guide. I hate to say this but that reply looks like a pretty black & white approach. There is no one size fits all for every situation. To say you aren't going to communicate now is not the right approach. You can't just issue a partial refund without the buyer's consent. Come on, just adjust your STYLE. Use a style that is compassionate to the buyer.
I have seen too many sellers that let their egos get in the way or who easily get b*tthurt over small stuff. The n these sellers take a stand on principle or whatever, rather than making adjustments. Hey, everyone is free to run their business as they see fit. But in the long run, less stress, better reputation, etc. when one treats a buyer with empathy, kindness and caring. I'm just saying.
You don't need to block people automatically. Point is that IF this buyer is playing a game to get free stuff, then you want to nip it in the bud. Some might wait until the second time they have a bad transaction with the buyer before blocking. It is an individual business decision.
Now as to the last part about returns and shipping costs. Yes, I think you are on to something there. It took me a while to figure out that with all of the time to photo, list, package, ship, etc. that small dollar value items are not worth selling on eBay. While returns will be a small part of the 'cost of doing business' on eBay it is a cost that one needs to figure into their business plan. Once I set aside a small amount of each sale for the cookie jar fund, I realized that the time & effort wasn't worthwhile for the return received. But everyone needs to make that decision for them self - but many skip out on the "insurance" aspect of selling and then get caught, get angry and get frustrated when returns happen. Lucky for you the experience was with a low cost item and thus the 'loss' or tuition paid was low.
You are on the right track, perhaps just a few small changes will help things go smoother? Best!