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value fees for usps shipping is complete **bleep**

Value fees for usps shipping is complete **bleep**.

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value fees for usps shipping is complete **bleep**

It is what it is, and has been that way for over a decade. It's to prevent sellers overcharging on shipping to avoid fees on the item itself. Accept it or go elsewhere, protesting won't help.

 

Seriously, this is an old gripe.

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value fees for usps shipping is complete **bleep**

Final value fees have been charged on Shipping for over 10 years now.

 

 

Ebay had to do it because sellers were scamming ebay out of their fees.

 

You never noticed it all this time? 

You really should keep up with ebay policies as a lot of things have changed throughout the years.

 

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value fees for usps shipping is complete **bleep**

You sell your item for $35 with $15.50 shipping.

I sell my item for $50.50 with free shipping.

 

Who should pay a higher FVF?

 

Levels the playing field.

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value fees for usps shipping is complete **bleep**

If you thought you could play with low pricing and high shipping to avoid fees you are upset about something that was fixed around 2008.  I wasn't selling before 2011 but I sure heard a lot about this while working inside numerous ebay building in Silicon Valley.

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@buyselljack2016 wrote:

You sell your item for $35 with $15.50 shipping.

I sell my item for $50.50 with free shipping.

 

Who should pay a higher FVF?

 

Levels the playing field.


Actually that's not where the uneven playing field comes in. The unfairness is when a seller must pay more in shipping expenses than a seller of another item at the same price that costs much less to ship.

 

For example, a seller of a $35 item with $15.50 shipping costs pays Final Value Fees on $50.50. A seller of a $35 item with $4 shipping costs pays Final Value Fees on $39. Who should pay a higher FVF?

 

The answer, of course, is Neither. If the actual cost of shipping is deducted from the buyer's payment before Final Value Fees are calculated, then both sellers are paying Final Value Fees on $35, which is the amount they actually collected from the sale. (If one seller wants to gouge the buyer with excess Shipping charges, he's still going to pay the FVF on his inflated price because only the actual postage is deducted.)

 

Now, having said all that, these complaints are simply beating the greasy spot in the road where the dead horse used to be. eBay stated several years ago now (in one of their Q&A chats with management) that although deducting the actual shipping cost from the buyer's payment (which could be done if the seller bought the Shipping label through eBay) would indeed level the playing field, they had no plans to do that.

 

I think at the time they said it was mainly due to nervousness about revising existing site code, and they do have a long history of botched upgrades and revisions that they would not want to make any worse, but the bottom line in any case was they were not going to consider that correction. To this day they keep the math simple by applying the FVF to the buyer's payment, regardless of the embedded expense of a postage cost, and that's the way it is probably going to remain.

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value fees for usps shipping is complete **bleep**

Hi @muddywatersurfer 

 

If you think you can sell elsewhere cheaper ... then go for it.  But ALL payment processors base their fees on the total amount of buyer's payment ... without regard to whether the components are item cost, shipping or sales tax.

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value fees for usps shipping is complete **bleep**

Actually that's not where the uneven playing field comes in. The unfairness is when a seller must pay more in shipping expenses than a seller of another item at the same price that costs much less to ship.

 

For example, a seller of a $35 item with $15.50 shipping costs pays Final Value Fees on $50.50. A seller of a $35 item with $4 shipping costs pays Final Value Fees on $39. Who should pay a higher FVF?

 

 

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To keep from going out in the weeds I should have specified that the 2 sales were for the same cost item with the same $15.50 PFR shipping.  I will try to be more exact in the future to avoid responders from having to explain possibilities that do not apply to my example. Your example is not what I posted about. $50.50 and $39 are not the same.

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value fees for usps shipping is complete **bleep**

My buyers pay all the shipping and fees because it's baked into the price. Easy Peasy. Same on other sites.

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value fees for usps shipping is complete **bleep**

No, it's a cost of doing business.  Everyone charges fees to sell and we all know and understand that.

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value fees for usps shipping is complete **bleep**

But those of us that still like the auction format, I cannot "bake" it into the cost, since

I have no idea what the item will end up selling for.  

 

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value fees for usps shipping is complete **bleep**

The shipping cost shouldn't change, that's what the OP has an issue with. Same fees.

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value fees for usps shipping is complete **bleep**

The real **bleep** is the Value fees on Sales TAX that they just recently started doing.

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value fees for usps shipping is complete **bleep**

Over a year ago, and PP did it earlier than that.

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value fees for usps shipping is complete **bleep**

@buyselljack2016 wrote:

Over a year ago, and PP did it earlier than that.


But PayPal assessed 2.9% on the sales tax amount, and eBay/Managed Payments charges 12.55% (for most categories) on the sales tax amount--a difference of 9.65%. Not much of an impact on inexpensive items, but really racks up a pretty good fee on higher-priced transactions that generate higher amounts of sales tax.

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