05-12-2017 04:08 AM
i sold a 3d printer, buyer opens case immediately NAD, i approve return send them a pre-paid label through ebay, now i am in a multi resident facility so the management office signs and recieves all mail and packages, so the other day through ebay item shows delivered, i go to office and nothing, i describe box they look and after a few minutes they realize it was refused due to being suspicous 1st it was a little padded envelope, and my pre-paid label had been altered, the only thing on label was tracking#, no name, no return address and no unit number, now tracking on ebay site shows delivered, but on usps site shows en-route returned, (i do realize there is no return address) so? but i am in a small town and since the package was so out of the normal my mail person remembers it and so does our management office in fact that is how i found out about the label and it being an envelope
thats the basics of what i am up against my question which i know has been talked about 1000 times is can someone please give me the protocal for fililng mail fraud and pressing charges with this buyer and what i need to do with ebay as far as proof thanks in advance for all who offers a hand
05-12-2017 10:50 AM
One thing I'm curious about in this thread... I noticed the package was being returned from Miami, Fl. Was the address you sent it to kind of weird, like with a bunch of letters and numbers? That would indicate a reshipper, and could result in confusion with a return label.
05-12-2017 02:23 PM
Separate issues here -- one is mail fraud and one is altering a label such that the intended recipient cannot be identified.
Let's start with "refused and return to sender." The mail carrier was able to deliver the envelope on May 10 because the street address exists. For a multi-unit building -- especially one with a management office -- specific names do not matter and "somebody" is there to receive mail and decide if the tenant is still there.
In this case, the recipient's name was not on the label, nor was the unit number. Therefore, the management office could not identify a tenant and correctly refused the mail the next day (May 11). The piece is now en route back to the sender (presumably the OP's buyer). However, if the sender removed his/her return address, the piece may end up in the dead letter office. Since the label is an official prepaid return label, it's remotely possible the piece may end up at the originating PO (zip code is printed on the label). They may be able to find out who actually sent the piece (OP's buyer) or who issued the label (OP or eBay). After all, a Paypal account provides plenty of clues!
The OP should be in contact with both the buyer's PO and his/her own PO in case the envelope arrives at either location. Certainly, both eBay and Paypal should be involved, too, because of the obvious mail fraud -- returning an envelope with unknown contents vs. an 8-lb. box of merchandise.
Bottom line: The OP did not "refuse" the mailpiece. It was deemed "undeliverable as addressed" -- no name or unit number -- and properly given back to USPS.
~~C~~
05-12-2017 02:29 PM
05-12-2017 02:33 PM
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05-12-2017 02:36 PM
05-12-2017 03:02 PM
ep - calm down - the item wasn't addressed to anyone if you read the OP's post. I don't blame anyone for not accepting a package where the label has been altered. With all the stuff that goes on in today's society - I'd rather be safe than sorry.
05-12-2017 03:22 PM
The ebay reps know what to do--they can look up the tracking on the carriers website.
05-12-2017 03:30 PM
If that envelope is going back and tracking shows it was delivered back, and there is no evidence of you refusing THE ENVELOPE rather than UNDELIVERABLE AS ADDRESSED, then, how do you refund something that never got back to you--just watch for the next round of what the buyer may do when it comes back. Rather naive, or just plain dumb scammer, if yu ask me. Make sure you contact the P.O. and get a weight on that baby before it gets back to them.
05-12-2017 03:37 PM
@z50com wrote:The US Postal Service will not deliver a package without a name on it! (NO EXCEPTIONS)
A address is not good enough, it would've never made it past the 1st post office and would've been returned to sender.
Someone in your front office is LYING to you. . .
Then someone must have a name of 'Occupant' or 'Resident', even though no one by that name lives in my town ...........
05-12-2017 03:42 PM
@moondogblues wrote:
"The US Postal Service will not deliver a package without a name on it! (NO EXCEPTIONS)"
Really? So I guess my name is 'resident'?
Guess I'm REALLY slow today .......
05-12-2017 03:43 PM
Altering the mail piece is definately a no-no. If this is really going on here and poster can get evidence of the mail weight discrepency and the altered label. We got one of our first scambos maybe getting some mail fraud happenings coming their way.
05-12-2017 03:45 PM
@moondogblues wrote:
Op, can't you reprint the lable? Then call the PO at the buyer's end with that tracking number and the address? Also, with such a huge weight discrepancy, what were the shipping costs? Wouldn't that be a big discrepency too? Something is way fishy....
What difference would that make? I refer to the seller who freight shipped a pallet with an A/C unit and received back a medium flat rate box. Took him how long and how many hoops to get their money back?
And return service labels don't have a real weight listed.
05-12-2017 04:05 PM - edited 05-12-2017 04:08 PM
Oh My...I think I have it!
Ebay labels have the regular shipping info on the main center and top portion of the label right?
Well a few years ago one of my packages was destroyed in the mail. The post office out in Missouri took that and the few remains of the package and applied it to a new envelope.
The buyers address and my return address in the upper portion of the label had been destroyed but the post office took the bottom section that still had the tracking on it and taped it back onto an envelope sending it onto the buyer.
I only found this out because I ended up talking to the post master personally on the found phone when trying to resolve the issue because the customer was IRATE with me...go figure...not the post office me.
If your package was destroyed in the process of being shipped where only the section of the tracking number was salvageable they may have done the same thing.
Just a thought.
Mr C
05-12-2017 04:11 PM
Yes, you are "Resisident"
Even a simple name such as "Bob" would be delivered, no last name needed.
Try mailing a letter with an address but NO name
I'll bet it comes back to you as UNDELIVERABLE
05-12-2017 05:25 PM
@z50com wrote:The US Postal Service will not deliver a package without a name on it! (NO EXCEPTIONS)
A address is not good enough, it would've never made it past the 1st post office and would've been returned to sender.
Someone in your front office is LYING to you. . .
I don't know about packages, but I got a letter last year from a friend where they had forgotten to put their name and address.