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I just sold an item for $74.99 with $14.99 ship...total including tax for buyer was $96.43.  My gross profit from sale is $60.68,,,That means ebay took $35.75...The tax was $6 and change,,, ebay charges supposedly between 12.9% to 14.6% how does that calculate?,,,the percentage charged on this sale from eBay was 37.07%...How do they get away with this?,,Disgusting

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You also paid for the shipping label netting $60 for a $74.99 item isn’t bad (not knowing your acquisition cost of course).

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 You don't get the total $96.43 (sales tax goes to state and shipping money goes for printing label).  you only get $74.99 minus EBAY fees.

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     If you were not promoting the item what eBay charged in FVF's was (($94.43 * .1325) + $.40) = $12.91 out of your total of $35.75 in selling costs. That leaves $22.84 in other selling costs. I will assume part of this was for the actual cost of the shipping label you purchased? How much was the label? 

     If you pull up the order details it will give you an exact breakdown of the selling costs for the order. While the effective eBay FVF percentage is always a bit above the 13.25% due to the fees being applied to the sales tax it is never anywhere close to 37% unless you are using promoted listings or adding other premium features to the listing like a bolded title. 

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Only kinda true.  You do get the money for the shipping label, you just then have to use at least some of it (depending on your settings) to purchase the label, often before you receive the deposit into your bank account so that part doesn't actually get received into the bank account, but it counts as incoming funds.  If you wait or do a manual transfer to your bank account before you purchase the label, or if you purchase the label somewhere other than via eBay, you'll see that the shipping money does reach your bank account.  It's just something you have to use right away to purchase the actual label.

 

Tax money, you're correct, never comes to you in any form.

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"...That means ebay took $35.75..."

 

Just to clarify ...ebay did not take 35.75...

based on previous calculations, it looks like ebay "took" about 13.00 for fees if you did not use promoted listings (which you chose as optional)

i looks like you paid the carrier (not ebay) 22.00 for shipping even though you only charged 14.99...

 

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"I just sold an item for $74.99 with $14.99 ship...total including tax for buyer was $96.43.  My gross profit from sale is $60.68,,,That means ebay took $35.75...The tax was $6 and change,,,"
If by "gross profit from [that] sale is $60.68", you mean that eBay transferred $60.68 into your checking account, that sounds about right.  I'd be very happy to net $60 on a $74 sale.  

 

"ebay charges supposedly between 12.9% to 14.6%"
Where did you get those numbers?  I just took a look at the date of your post and, sure enough, it is today and not two or more years ago which is about when the previous standard of 12.9% was raised to 13.25%.  

You didn't mention what kind of an item you sold.  eBay's Final Value Fee percentage vary among categories. 

 

The current FVF percentages run from 6.35% (guitars and basses) to 15% (jewelry, even costume jewelry, and watches), with most categories carrying a 13.25% FVF.  

"how does that calculate?,,,the percentage charged on this sale from eBay was 37.07%...How do they get away with this?,,"
eBay calculates the FVF by applying the appropriate percentage (remember that range from 6.35% to 15%?) to the total amount paid by your buyer.

Read that again:  Total Amount Paid By Your Buyer.

 

That means that the FVF percentage is applied to the price of the item; in your case, the item sold for $74.99. 

ALSO, the FVF percentage is applied to any sales tax that your buyer pays and to the postage/shipping cost that your buyer pays and even to any handling charge you may add in to your listings.  

 

"Disgusting"
Well, that's, like, your opinion.  

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"I just sold an item for $74.99 with $14.99 ship...total including tax for buyer was $96.43.  My gross profit from sale is $60.68,,,That means ebay took $35.75...The tax was $6 and change,,,"
If by "gross profit from [that] sale is $60.68", you mean that eBay transferred $60.68 into your checking account, that sounds about right.  I'd be very happy to net $60 on a $74 sale.  

 

"ebay charges supposedly between 12.9% to 14.6%"
Where did you get those numbers?  I just took a look at the date of your post and, sure enough, it is today and not two or more years ago which is about when the previous standard of 12.9% was raised to 13.25%.  

You didn't mention what kind of an item you sold.  eBay's Final Value Fee percentage vary among categories. 

 

The current FVF percentages run from 6.35% (guitars and basses) to 15% (jewelry, even costume jewelry, and watches), with most categories carrying a 13.25% FVF.  

"how does that calculate?,,,the percentage charged on this sale from eBay was 37.07%...How do they get away with this?,,"
eBay calculates the FVF by applying the appropriate percentage (remember that range from 6.35% to 15%?) to the total amount paid by your buyer.

Read that again:  Total Amount Paid By Your Buyer.

 

That means that the FVF percentage is applied to the price of the item; in your case, the item sold for $74.99. 

ALSO, the FVF percentage is applied to any sales tax that your buyer pays and to the postage/shipping cost that your buyer pays and even to any handling charge you may add in to your listings.  

 

"Disgusting"
Well, that's, like your opinion.  

 

      I am always amazed, although I shouldn't be, at the number of sellers that cannot differentiate their selling costs. I cannot wait for some of the postings that will hit this board next year when sellers that have never claimed their revenue on their taxes start getting 1099's, do their taxes and see the percentages of income taxes they pay at the Federal and State level on their NET income. 

     I have always reported by income and over the years have found that the eBay FVF's are one of my cheaper selling costs but of course I have that factored into my selling price along with the COGS, Federal and State taxes and other operating expenses. On average my TOTAL selling costs are about 70-80% of my gross revenue. My ROI will vary slightly but I attempt to keep it at around 40%. 

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Dear @elanowsky 

 

How much did your shipping ACTUALLY come to? It looks like on that item you charged a flat rate... not calculated shipping. 

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Dear @elanowsky 

 

How much did your shipping ACTUALLY come to? It looks like on that item you charged a flat rate... not calculated shipping. 

 

     I asked the same question. This may be one of those postings where the OP never returns, happens a LOT. You are correct they had a flat rate shipping cost and they shipped the item priority mail so I am guessing maybe a USPS flat rate envelope or box. 

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OP has sold 1.8k items apparently. Not sure why how FVF is calculated and what is deducted before they get the net proceeds is new information to them. 

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@frankenhobbit wrote:

OP has sold 1.8k items apparently. Not sure why how FVF is calculated and what is deducted before they get the net proceeds is new information to them. 


@elanowsky 

Wow - I feel for you that you are just now realizing how much it costs in fees when considering how they apply to the items selling price alone, but as @frankenhobbit  mentioned  below, how is it the light bulb JUST CAME ON after nearly 2000 sales? Never mind - Dont answer that - This board is full of posts like this and Im sure the site counts on people not realizing what it really costs to sell here - at least you finally saw the light...

 

So I can see accounting confusion in your post in that you say your "gross profit" after the sale is $60(rounded) -  That would not be  your "gross profit" - It would be your NET after FEES and SHIPPING, if I am assuming correctly what you wrote...

 

So if shipping was a wash and $60 was what you had left after fees and shipping, then you paid approx $15 in fees - Which is more like 20% fees in relation to the items price alone, not 37%...

 

But I am questioning whether you still had to pay for shipping out of the $60 you say was your "gross profit". If you still had to pay shipping out of that $60, then if shipping was a wash, you were left with $45 and you paid $30 in fees which would in fact  equate to over 42% of the items selling price in fees.

 

So which is it?

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Imagine what our "profits" would look like if we all actually had to pay overhead...and do our own quarterlies?   Internet selling is really a sweet deal.  The keys are to know your cost in order to price accordingly....& always realize shipping is a real hard cost!!

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