06-28-2019 03:59 PM - last edited on 06-28-2019 05:15 PM by kh-gary
I have been on eBay since 1997. That's right, 22 years. It was AuctionWeb when I joined.
I have gross yearly sales on eBay approaching $4 million.
I paid eBay over a quarter of a million dollars in 2018, which, by the way, was substantially more than I took home.
I have watched over the years as my FV fees have climbed from an average of about 3% to 7.15% for my category, and that is just because I have an anchor store. I've watched as the cap on items went from $100 to $250. I watched you reduce the Top Seller discount from 20% to 10%- a move which it took $40k a year out of my pocket. And all through it I have tried to hang on and grow my business.
The final straw came this week when I was informed I have 'Very High' rates of returns due to item not as described.
We all know this new and completely arbitrary standard is just a bullying tactic to get people to offer free returns. Well, I sell musical instruments, and I am absolutely not in the business of providing free rentals for a money and paying the shipping both ways. Even so, there is an awful lot of abuse, and people will list an instrument as defective if they don't like the way it plays, just to get a free return.
Over 3 months I had a total of 28 returns due to 'item not as described'. 18 of them were abusive. And these are not appealable.
But those 28 returns are enough to get me an additional 5% final value fees with no cap. This stands to literally add $20,000 PER MONTH to my eBay bill. Because of a few people who abused returns.
This is ridiculous, and it is also an existential threat to my business.
So I did what anyone n my position would do. I called my Personal Account Manager. He's on vacation without any information for who is covering for him. I called another contact who passed my request for a call to the person covering my account manager. She's 'really busy' and will call me next week.
She's too busy to call a $250k customer who is facing a threat to his business.
Ever since I got a Personal Account Manager (for the second time) 3 years ago, I have been telling eBay what I need them to do to expand my business. eBay has ignored me. eBay is no longer interested in creating partnerships with business and growing online sales-they have instead resorted to the tactic of increasing revenue by increasing fees.
I am leaving eBay after 22 years.
06-29-2019 02:21 AM
06-29-2019 06:07 AM
06-29-2019 06:29 AM
You might open your own thread so more people see your question.
I’m confused - did you get your money? If the seller refunded with an e-check instead of their PayPal balance it really can take a week to clear.
06-29-2019 07:15 AM
@jasontclark448 file an item not received case with eBay or PayPal
06-29-2019 07:35 AM
"It shouldn’t be this way, but having a No Return policy is practically the kiss of death on eBay. It is too risky. To adapt, and survive, one must either alter what they sell, or institute a buyer-friendly return policy. All in order to avoid fraudulent Not As Described cases. Such cases can drastically effect one’s standing on eBay, as you boldly illustrated. "
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I am one, who personally believes.. that if a buyer wants to return an item, without paying for return shipping, they will do it. No matter what the seller's return policy is.
And it's not just on eBay. It's this way on virtually all eCommerce. Buyers increasingly and overwhelmingly expect free shipping, easy return policies, and free return shipping.
Lynn
06-29-2019 08:14 AM
@ifyouloveit wrote:
The rest only want to sneak looks at their cell phones and post on social media. The cell phone abuse is getting rampant, even in medical offices. I had a receptionist at my doctors office answer the phone with, "Hello?" I said, "Is the office of so and so." She says yes. Silence. I tell her what I am calling for.
Something isn't clicking, I finally asked her straight out, "Are you on your cell phone right now?"
She said, not even sheepishly, "Yeah, I'm looking at a lunch menu."
I'm planning on telling her doctor she is not doing her job. This happens to me all the time, had a med student run into me while texting, I had on a neck brace and a knee brace and was hardly moving. He gave me a dirty look and kept texting.
These people are going to be taking care of me someday? Lord help us.
Doctors office management seems to be going downhill fast . I changed doctors about 6 years ago because I got so disgusted with the inept and unprofessional manner of his staff . First off the office clerks NEVER spoke clearly over the phone,, they'd just rattle something very fast and expected you to understand them . About half the time they never called pharmacies or insurance companies like they were supposed to do . You'd have to call back several times just to urge them to do their jobs.Upon visits I seen feet up on the desks of the front office , gum smacking and medical assistants with the front of their necks just plastered with dark hickeys . What ever happened to the clean well kempt professional nurses who took pride in their duties that we had long ago ? Terrible . Tulips
06-29-2019 08:58 AM
@themightyquinnbrassandwinds wrote:I have been on eBay since 1997. That's right, 22 years. It was AuctionWeb when I joined.
I have gross yearly sales on eBay approaching $4 million.
I paid eBay over a quarter of a million dollars in 2018, which, by the way, was substantially more than I took home.
I have watched over the years as my FV fees have climbed from an average of about 3% to 7.15% for my category, and that is just because I have an anchor store. I've watched as the cap on items went from $100 to $250. I watched you reduce the Top Seller discount from 20% to 10%- a move which it took $40k a year out of my pocket. And all through it I have tried to hang on and grow my business.
The final straw came this week when I was informed I have 'Very High' rates of returns due to item not as described.
We all know this new and completely arbitrary standard is just a bullying tactic to get people to offer free returns. Well, I sell musical instruments, and I am absolutely not in the business of providing free rentals for a money and paying the shipping both ways. Even so, there is an awful lot of abuse, and people will list an instrument as defective if they don't like the way it plays, just to get a free return.
Over 3 months I had a total of 28 returns due to 'item not as described'. 18 of them were abusive. And these are not appealable.
But those 28 returns are enough to get me an additional 5% final value fees with no cap. This stands to literally add $20,000 PER MONTH to my eBay bill. Because of a few people who abused returns.
This is ridiculous, and it is also an existential threat to my business.
So I did what anyone n my position would do. I called my Personal Account Manager. He's on vacation without any information for who is covering for him. I called another contact who passed my request for a call to the person covering my account manager. She's 'really busy' and will call me next week.
She's too busy to call a $250k customer who is facing a threat to his business.
Ever since I got a Personal Account Manager (for the second time) 3 years ago, I have been telling eBay what I need them to do to expand my business. eBay has ignored me. eBay is no longer interested in creating partnerships with business and growing online sales-they have instead resorted to the tactic of increasing revenue by increasing fees.
I am leaving eBay after 22 years.
If your gross sales are 4million annually, yet your taking home only 250k and paying ebay more than that in fees, something is seriously wrong with your business model. You must be paying way too much for your product. That's no ebay's fault. The guitars and basses category has a mere 3.5% fvf and FREE listings! Extremely biased considering no other category gets that kind of price break. The rest of us can only dream about fees that low. Your annual ebay fees are less than 6.5% according to your statement of 4million in sales and 250k in fees. In most other categories you'd have paid $366k in fvf alone, not including store fee.
If the 5% would cost you an extra 20k a month in fees, that means your selling 400k a month! Your seriously willing to walk away from that.
With your sales volume, you should have been starting up your own website a long time ago. You'd have been long established by now if you had. You'd have the control your looking for over how your business is managed and the way transactions are handled.
Ebay no longer cares how long someone's been selling here. In fact, I think they prefer new sellers! Many who post to these boards have been here over 2 decades.
I wholeheartedly agree the return situation on ebay is out of control.
I wish you well.
06-29-2019 09:40 AM
Some of us that haven't received the letter yet are making plans too. Ebay is creating too much uncertainty and risk for sellers' businesses. They aren't removing invalid INAD returns from our metrics. They aren't providing targets. They aren't providing transparency by publishing the peer group data. They aren't identifying our peer group in any way. Plus documented peer group values are phony. I just don't believe the data. It goes against retail industry statistics and common sense. Sellers are being told INAD return rates in the 1-2% range are Very High and they must pay a penalty. It's a joke.
06-29-2019 10:00 AM
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06-29-2019 01:05 PM - last edited on 06-29-2019 01:59 PM by kh-gary
Just glancing over your account as much as I can do via the forum, your revenue stream is high, you have excellent feedback, you carry a very comprehensive range of Brass & Woodwind instruments along with accessories and clearly, you know what you are doing.
I am shocked that ebay team members are not jumping over their desks to take care of you, if a seller at your volume level cannot secure the assistance needed then there is really not a lot of hope for many of us on here & to think that they would also try to gouge you with the less than fair and transparent high returns stealth tax is frankly astonishing, again, if ebay are prepared to let you walk rather than address your concerns all I can do is shake my head in disbelief.
I've been on here since '99 I have been doing similar numbers to you since say 2006, I am now running 80% via my own site, I use ebay to clear out instruments that have been traded in or simply do not fit my online image.
I am sorry that this is happening to you and I wish you well.
06-29-2019 02:23 PM
@themightyquinnbrassandwinds wrote:
My 'very high' returns are 2.4%. Average for my category is 1.8%. That .6% is somehow worth an extra $20k?
That 1.8% they are claiming is your peer number is totally fictitious. B&M return rates are > 8% on average. Internet return rates are higher than B&M. The peer numbers they are giving sellers are phony.
They are either manipulating the data to narrowly define who is in your peer group, they have the wrong formula to calculate the average (somehow skewing the data by artificially setting some peers data to 0), or they are just creating fake numbers. Since they aren't providing any information on how they are calculating that metric it's impossible to tell.
It's infuriating...
See this thread: https://community.ebay.com/t5/Selling/Is-Zero-Service-Metric-Returns-in-Toys-amp-Hobbies-Category/td...
This seller has been told their Peer Group is 0%.... and they are Very High at 1.48% and must pay a penalty. Ebay was supposed to look into the obvious fake Peer Group % and get back to them. Radio silence since 5/15/2019....
06-29-2019 05:40 PM
I hope you are/were including a business card or price list for your website with every sale you made through every venue.
06-29-2019 05:52 PM
@turquoisetulips wrote:
@ifyouloveit wrote:
The rest only want to sneak looks at their cell phones and post on social media. The cell phone abuse is getting rampant, even in medical offices. I had a receptionist at my doctors office answer the phone with, "Hello?" I said, "Is the office of so and so." She says yes. Silence. I tell her what I am calling for.
Something isn't clicking, I finally asked her straight out, "Are you on your cell phone right now?"
She said, not even sheepishly, "Yeah, I'm looking at a lunch menu."
I'm planning on telling her doctor she is not doing her job. This happens to me all the time, had a med student run into me while texting, I had on a neck brace and a knee brace and was hardly moving. He gave me a dirty look and kept texting.
These people are going to be taking care of me someday? Lord help us.Doctors office management seems to be going downhill fast . I changed doctors about 6 years ago because I got so disgusted with the inept and unprofessional manner of his staff . First off the office clerks NEVER spoke clearly over the phone,, they'd just rattle something very fast and expected you to understand them . About half the time they never called pharmacies or insurance companies like they were supposed to do . You'd have to call back several times just to urge them to do their jobs.Upon visits I seen feet up on the desks of the front office , gum smacking and medical assistants with the front of their necks just plastered with dark hickeys . What ever happened to the clean well kempt professional nurses who took pride in their duties that we had long ago ? Terrible . Tulips
I don't know what happened, but it's getting really bad. No professionalism, no respect, no manners, no caring, it's just a job and so many ooze it.
Agreed, I have to call and call to get things done too, from test results to near everything. They just don't care and seem to lack basic skills. It frightens me Tulips! B