12-18-2020 01:57 PM - edited 12-18-2020 01:58 PM
Below is an excerpt from the eBay UPDATE message from Wednesday. I read this as, if a buyer opens an INR, the seller has to respond within 3 days regardless of the status of the tracking information.
If the tracking shows movement within the last 10 days, does the seller have to do anything to get the 10 day extension if the buyer asks eBay to step in or does eBay check the tracking and provide the 10 days automatically?
I would hope that eBay is looking at tracking from the USPS website as the tracking on the eBay site does not update as well as the USPS website.
EXCERPT FROM THE UPDATE:
When a buyer makes an “item not received” request
A buyer can only open an “item not received” request after the estimated delivery date plus 1 day. When a request is opened the seller has 3 business days to respond before the buyer can ask eBay to step in.
If tracking on the item shows movement within the past 10 calendar days and the parcel is in the destination country, we’ll keep the request open for 10 more days from the time the buyer asked eBay to step in to allow additional time for the item to be delivered. After that time, if there is no updated activity, eBay will consider the item lost and we’ll ask the seller to refund the buyer.
12-18-2020 08:13 PM
The buyer has opened a NOT RECEIVED dispute.
There is no such thing as a NOT SHIPPED dispute.
All you have to do is enter the tracking number in the Dispute.
After that the robots look for that number and tell the buyer to wait a little longer.
But if at the end of that time the shipment is still NOT RECEIVED you will be refunding.
12-18-2020 11:00 PM
When buyer opens INR case, seller should upload tracking number showing item was accepted by USPS. Then wait 2-3 days. Contact eBay and ask them to put case on hold for 10 days. If item not delivered by this time you just need to refund buyer and try to file package intercept. This should allow a minimum of 3 weeks. Packages aren't dissapearing. They are just stuck in warehouses. Nobodies fault, we are all in this together.
12-18-2020 11:19 PM
@brwil85 wrote:When buyer opens INR case, seller should upload tracking number showing item was accepted by USPS. Then wait 2-3 days. Contact eBay and ask them to put case on hold for 10 days. If item not delivered by this time you just need to refund buyer and try to file package intercept. This should allow a minimum of 3 weeks. Packages aren't dissapearing. They are just stuck in warehouses. Nobodies fault, we are all in this together.
You don't have to upload the tracking to the INR if the seller already had that uploaded to Ebay when they shipped the item out. It is there on the claim for sellers that have not yet uploaded it to Ebay. It doesn't hurt to do it again, it is just not required.
If the seller is uploading tracking for the first time to Ebay on the INR, the seller needs to be prepared as they have no seller protection for this case. They lost that when they didn't upload tracking to Ebay prior to the INR.
I don't do intercepts as they often cost money to do. For me, if the package still isn't showing up and time is getting close on the INR that Ebay will force the refund, I refund the buyer on my own so that Ebay doesn't because that gets me a defect and I don't want that to happen.
But just before I refund the buyer I email them and let them know I will be refunding them because the tracking isn't showing any current movement. I assure them at some point the package is likely to show up. I am tracking the package so I will be notified when it is delivered. They then have a choice to make, they can keep it and repay me for the item or send it back. But we can chat about this when the item actually shows up.
That little heads up seems to do the trick. I have not had anyone not want to pay me for the item when it finally arrived. Most people are honest.
12-18-2020 11:23 PM - edited 12-18-2020 11:26 PM
"After that time, if there is no updated activity, eBay will consider the item lost and we’ll ask the seller to refund the buyer."
Well that's some crazy B....S...!
In the end the reasonable resolution should be that the carrier (usps, FedEx, UPS, etc) should ultimately be responsible, but they don't guarantee stuff so that will never happen. But really? I seriously am considering putting my store on vacation just to avoid potential losses... and the only other time I EVER put my store on vacay was because my dad had to have heart surgery and my computer was broken all in a one week period so I went away for a while.... so it takes a HUGE event for me to go on hiatus here...
12-18-2020 11:44 PM
@magic*moonbeams wrote:"After that time, if there is no updated activity, eBay will consider the item lost and we’ll ask the seller to refund the buyer."
Well that's some crazy B....S...!
In the end the reasonable resolution should be that the carrier (usps, FedEx, UPS, etc) should ultimately be responsible, but they don't guarantee stuff so that will never happen. But really? I seriously am considering putting my store on vacation just to avoid potential losses... and the only other time I EVER put my store on vacay was because my dad had to have heart surgery and my computer was broken all in a one week period so I went away for a while.... so it takes a HUGE event for me to go on hiatus here...
That just isn't how retail works. You can go after the carrier if you purchase insurance on the package and it is missing for 30 days.
This is just something we have to deal with. Buyers have every right to expect us to get the merchandise they have paid for to them.
This is an exceptional year for many things. The sheer volume of packages being shipped is nothing like any of the carriers have ever seen.
It is hard, but it is something we need to deal with the best we can. This is not a normal year by any stretch of the imagination.
12-19-2020 01:20 AM
The crazy part is more than on of my packages is about to hit the no movement in 10 days mark. Absolutely insane
12-19-2020 02:03 AM
"I refund the buyer on my own so that Ebay doesn't because that gets me a defect and I don't want that to happen. "
After the eBay official seller protection announcement on the 16th, I was fully under the impression, if the buyer "asks eBay to step in for an INR", we both wait the 10 days out, if the package still shows no progress or delivery, eBay will then refund the buyer.
THEN, as long as the tracking showed it was uploaded within our handling time, using the shipping method advertised(economy, expedited, etc), and showed some sort of actual progress beyond the "you printed a label". We would be "forgiven"(no defect , no service metric, negative feedback be removed).
I mean, sure we would be out the item and money, but, we would be protected against defect or metric penalty's. If this is not true, I need to make some serious changes on this INR issue, and, fast, as I have one closing on the 21st.
And, if sellers do in fact get defects or service metrics for this type of situation, then I guess their is no "seller protection".
12-19-2020 06:41 AM
I think you read it right.
12-19-2020 11:18 AM
Yes that is the new protection just announced. Normally without that if Ebay forced the refund for the buyer, it creates a defect. But yes you are absolutely right according to the new protections announced.
12-19-2020 01:16 PM
The carrier IS responsible.... to the SELLER who purchased the shipping service.
The seller is responsible to the BUYER who paid for a delivered item.
If you have a Not Delivered problem, you refund your customer and ask your sub-contractor/employee to indemnify you.
I chose "indemnify" because some might cover the whole value of the shipment, while others will only contract to cover their own charges.
12-23-2020 01:02 PM
I did finally put my store on vacation yesterday. I have a note on my store front page that I'm around if someone needs to message me (so they don't think I'm just gone and of no use to them if they need help or have an issue with something), but not selling or shipping until at least after Christmas, maybe until after New Years due to the overload and delays USPS is experiencing.
The USPS sorting facilities are SO overloaded, it's like, the stuff that's been sitting there, is blocked in by the newly incoming stuff, so now it's like, first in, is first out.
The last thing I bought on here was last Friday, and I got it today. Yet stuff I ordered 2+ weeks ago, still have not received, and hasn't been scanned anywhere for over a week. I have not once complained to the seller or eBay, it's just what everyone is dealing with and has to be patient about. *shrug*
Someone that bought a Christmas ornament from me one week ago, 12/16, today is 12/23.. sent me a message yesterday "Where is my ornament??? What is taking so long???"
Really? It's widely known that every shipping facility is beyond backed up, you waited a week before Xmas to buy it, what do you expect? The tracking shows it was shipped next day, 12/17, so why are you emailing me with an attitude??
Plus the listing said in bold, red font to stand out, please don't wait until the last minute to buy something you wish to have in time for Christmas....." there are delays and I can't guarantee delivery dates and times (neither can eBay or the PO).
I'm just waiting for the barrage of return requests, most falsely claiming "item not as described" because then eBay will FORCE the return on sellers, for items that there is nothing wrong with, but just did not arrive on time, that the buyer just doesn't need or want anymore. Get ready.
07-25-2021 12:36 PM
Watch out for USPS failing to scan tracking numbers!! Items are being delivered without delivery confirmation! USPS has no accountability and creates stressful online selling nightmares! Scammers rely on USPS FAILURES….
07-25-2021 04:19 PM