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What would you do about this new-ish seller's bad practices (and/or similar ones)?

Okay, I am keenly aware that it's a seller's prerogative to determine how much they want to charge for shipping, that some do it knowing they are overcharging and will pocket the overage as profit, but it's not against Ebay rules to do this because the seller can claim any amount for materials, labor and transport of the package to the carrier, so basically it's totally the buyer's responsibility to decide whether or not the shipping cost is a deal breaker, before buying/bidding. 

I get that.  So, when I saw that a small lot of pre-owned costume jewelry I'd estimate to weigh no more than 7 or 8 ounces had a shipping charge of $11.75 for "Expedited" Priority, (not only would the low weight make it First Class eligible but her charge is even more than the cost of a Small Flat Rate box into which this lot would easily fit), well I decided to bid anyway because the starting bid was fairly low for the quality of items.  My proxy bid was only a couple bucks more than the starting bid, because the quality was not so great that I'd be willing to pay much more, namely given the shipping cost.  

Well, nobody bid against me so I won for $13.70 plus the $11.75 shipping, and paid in less than 30 seconds from hearing the notification.  That was Thursday afternoon, and the seller didn't mark the package shipped until last night (Sunday) but since Ebay listings no longer show the seller's handling time, I don't know if she shipped as fast as she privately committed to Ebay or not.  I do know it takes only a few minutes to chuck a ziplock of jewelry into a SFR box, lol, but whatever; this isn't a very exciting lot so I'm in no big hurry to receive it.  However I DO like to know where my packages are and what day to watch for deliveries on my porch, so it did irk me a bit to see that the seller had only 'marked' the package sent, no tracking number.  Incidentally, it did say it was shipped Priority, so I guess she had to choose that from a menu or it automatically stated it, given that's the tier she chose when she created the listing.  So I shot her a quick message, just asking if I could have the tracking number.  She didn't directly reply but I see now that she uploaded the tracking number to the Order Details.  

And can you guess the problem I saw when I clicked the number?  --Yup, she shipped First Class, paid around $4 maybe $5.  And only time will tell whether she even packed wisely or if I'll receive a squishy envelope of crushed hardware and loose rhinestones.  But I immediately thought, 'That's it, she's already getting at least a neutral for this.'  But the thing is, she already has one neutral and one neg, out of 13 feedbacks.  --Yes I did see those before I bid, but they are not shipping-related, nor of any concern regarding the lot I was bidding on.   

So clearly this is a new seller who quite possibly is just struggling to understand shipping and ebay policy.  Looking at her current listings, she has bigger lots with lower shipping (stated as 'Standard,' First Class, for $5.25), and lots even smaller than mine with the $11.75 charge.  It's as if she used NO rhyme or reason when making the listings; the overpriced ones aren't even necessarily her 'older' listings, as if she since learned to stop doing that.  And I suspect a couple of her lots will be over a pound and therefore not be eligible for the First Class price she put on them. 

In other words, Girl is on a crash course with an abysmal feedback score soon to ensue if she doesn't get shipping sorted out, so I kind of feel like I should try to help.  But given her lack of (personal) reply when I wrote to ask for the tracking number, I have a sense that she might not take constructive criticism well, especially because I would be asserting my own complaint (of paying about 3X actual shipping for my purchase), in addition to the problematic ones on her horizon. If I explain her problem too succinctly she could take it as curtness, if I explain it at length I might waste a bunch of time only to get no reply (or defensiveness despite my attempt at tenderness).    And ha, in the other extreme I could wind up with a newbie who starts writing to me for advice and information on every conceivable facet of ebay selling.  

So what would you do?  And by the way, I wouldn't have written this big long thing only to get advice on this one seller; she's not the first I've encountered who was irksome in a way that could be just rookie mistakes, and she won't be the last.  So really this is an open invitation to talk about dealing with this issue, in general.  Personal stories totally welcome!  

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What would you do about this new-ish seller's bad practices (and/or similar ones)?

What the OP paid for was a TOTAL package -- the jewelry, PLUS the shipping method stated (that is, PROMISED) by the seller.  And the seller BROKE that promise, and shipped via USPS First Class, instead of USPS Priority, and the seller pocketed the excess shipping charges as extra profit -- which is wrong.

 

I have argued before -- and I will continue to argue -- that the seller has violated the inferred contact with the buyer, by "baiting and switching" the methods of shipment.

 

If the OP is NOT satisfied with the items once they have been delivered, the OP can certainly open a "not as described" case against the seller, since the seller switched to a cheaper shipping method, without reimbursing the buyer.

 

Or the OP can choose instead to leave neutral feedback, or even negative feedback, due to the "bait and switch" shipping.

 

Even though the seller seems to be rather unresponsive to the OP's emails, it would probably be a good idea for the OP to contact the seller (after receiving the jewelry), and request a refund from the seller for the excess shipping charges.  The OP should NOT mention offering negative feedback, or opening a NAD case -- but simply request the difference between USPS Priority prices and USPS First Class services.

 

If the seller responds with a refund, end of story.

 

If not -- there's always NAD, or neutral feedback -- or even negative feedback.

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"I won for $13.70 plus the $11.75 shipping" If this was an acceptable price.....NOTHING.

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Stick to your neutral and say nothing.  The odds of it going over well are slim.  Maybe slimmer than slim.

 

Not that you cannot use that feedback constructively. Charged XX for shipping, only paid $ x and pocketed the difference.

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Okay I just read your entire post, and here are my thoughts. You cannot educate a newbie seller, nor is it really your place to do so. They will do what they want until they themselves realize they are doing it incorrectly. It's like seeing a bad driver. You don't have the right, nor is it advisable, to drive up next to them and tell them what they are doing wrong. The cops will let them know. 

 

This seller is a train wreck heading for a slew of negatives for charging expedited shipping then using standard. She will learn in time. You shouldn't already be expecting damaged items, that's not productive. Expect the items to arrive as you want them to. Yes, I do feel you should leave her a neutral as she is breaking policy by charging for a higher shipping method than used. I don't see why you would bother to purchase from her again, regardless of what she has. There are plenty of good sellers out there with beautiful vintage jewelry, priced accordingly too. Best of luck to you....

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@jda15121 wrote:

"I won for $13.70 plus the $11.75 shipping" If this was an acceptable price.....NOTHING.


It was acceptable when I understood the package to be shipped Priority, but that turned out not to be the case. 

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I guess one thing I still haven't gotten clarity on is what a neutral does to a seller's feedback score.  Does it lower it any, or just leave it the same but serve as something for prospective buyers to read?  

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Let me rephrase @jda15121 ´s post then.

 

If I received the lot as described, before the last estimated delivery date shown on the listing, I would leave a positive or nothing.

 

As for what a neut does to a feedback score: nothing. Doesn’t lower it or raise it.

 

Do you wish to educate or punish this seller?

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@gurlcat wrote:

@jda15121 wrote:

"I won for $13.70 plus the $11.75 shipping" If this was an acceptable price.....NOTHING.


It was acceptable when I understood the package to be shipped Priority, but that turned out not to be the case. 


Being more specific in feedback (if it comes to that) would be better here; otherwise you give the impression of simply complaining about a Shipping price that you knew before purchase time.

 

The problem here is that you paid for Priority shipping and got First Class Package instead. There is a price difference here that you paid for but did not get. It would be reasonable to ask the seller to refund the difference. (Again, we're not debating whether the Shipping price was fair. The point is that you purchased a premium Shipping method and did not get it.)

 

Don't leave feedback until the situation has been resolved. Plenty of time for that.

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so you knowingly bid on something that had high shipping and you want to hurt the seller? Really? 

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@gurlcat wrote:

@jda15121 wrote:

"I won for $13.70 plus the $11.75 shipping" If this was an acceptable price.....NOTHING.


It was acceptable when I understood the package to be shipped Priority, but that turned out not to be the case. 


@gurlcat 

 

At face value, you have a NAD. It was listed as Priority shipping and you're receiving First Class. (This is one of my pet peeves, too.) If I wasn't happy with the item(s), I'd fall back on the MBG. If I was happy, I'd let the seller live. Good luck.

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I have been in the same situation where the seller charged me for Priority Mail and then shipped First Class which was 3 times the actual shipping charge.  It took her nearly 3 weeks to get it to me.  I did message her and she made up multiple reasons about having to drive 50 miles to the Post Office as she was out of town.  I checked her address and found that there were three post offices within 5 miles of her address.  Also looking at the package's shipping label it was postmarked from her town.  Perhaps she was out of town and did mail it elsewhere.  However, I told her that she needed to refund me the difference, as she advertised Priority Mail and shipped First Class.  I did mention the shipping label, and she didn't dispute where she mailed it from. She wasn't happy about it, but did send a refund.

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However, I told her that she needed to refund me the difference, as she advertised Priority Mail and shipped First Class.

 

@lightlily_arts@gurlcat 

 

^^^ This isn't beneath me, either... and I've done that, too. Admittedly, only when I was waffling on a NAD... 😉

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So really this is an open invitation to talk about dealing with this issue, in general

The only real "issue" I see is that she shipped First Class instead of Priority.

 

If you think that is worthy of an automatic neutral instead of just politely pointing out the downgrade in service and requesting a refund, that is entirely up to you. 

 

 

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Was told it would be shipped with one method and the seller used a lower priced method.

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@gurlcat wrote:

I guess one thing I still haven't gotten clarity on is what a neutral does to a seller's feedback score.  Does it lower it any, or just leave it the same but serve as something for prospective buyers to read?  


@gurlcat 

A neutral does nothing to the feedback score.  It just makes the seller feel bad. 

 

I personally reserve both negs and neuts only for sellers who force me to jump through hoops to get a refund for a seriously NAD item.  I would leave no feedback if I couldn't find anything positive to say about a transaction.

 

I've seen more than a few posts from newbies saying that they had intended to ship Priority ... but were told by the postal clerk that they should ship First Class instead, as delivery times were about the same. 

 

There's a good chance that happened with your seller.  Since the tracking number wasn't automatically added onto the shipping notification ... they didn't purchase a shipping label online.  They could have found out that your payment didn't cover Priority when label was purchased at the post office.

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