10-04-2018 12:11 AM
eBay only offers 3 reasons for cancelling an order:
I’m out of stock (which gets a defect)
The buyer requested it
There is something wrong with the address.
But none of those reasons apply for the following.
What if a package gets lost in transit? I don’t have a problem giving a refund for a lost package. But what reason should I use? I can issue a refund through Paypal but then eBay will show the sale as unpaid and start hounding me about an invoice (or at least they did the last time). Plus I don’t get my FVF back as I would with a cancellation.
I can’t really say there is something wrong with the address. I can try to get the buyer to agree to a request a cancellation but that puts the onus on them when they would rather have the item.
Suggestions?
My experience with the post office is that they very rarely lose a package. But they do occasionally lose one. I have seen tracking suddenly “lock up” and report “package is on the way to the next destination” - and there it ends eventually becoming a no show.
If I have another copy I do not have a problem sending a replacement. If I do not have another copy I have no problem giving the buyer a refund. That is not the issue here even though I suspect there are some who will disagree.
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10-05-2018 08:50 AM
@Anonymous wrote:
@buyselljack2016, you're right and I didn't know the policy page was so confusing until Mam pointed it out above. I had been going off of the Seller Update pages which are less confusing and I wondered why so many posters kept saying INRs result in a fee increase. Now it makes sense.
@Anonymous, can you submit this policy page for improvement? The way it's written as a single sentence is causing confusion as you can see in the above posts.
Hi @Anonymous, thanks so much for getting my attention on this! I think this callout is a great suggestion and I've sent it over to the content teams for review. I can see how specifying this into two separate statements or even just adjusting the wording to clarify that it is 'either A or B, respectively' would clear up some confusion.
@richard1rst, I also wanted to touch on the situation you describe and clarify that the appropriate process for issuing a full refund when an item was not received by your customer is through an item not received request. I would recommend letting your buyer know that you are happy to refund them as soon as they open this request from their purchase history. This will ensure that both parties receive the full protection of our eBay Money Back Guarantee, that your final value fees are automatically credited and create record this transaction accurately.
10-04-2018 12:23 AM
This is a real problem for all of us sellers. A very similar problem was discussed on the Weekly Chat this week. You may want to go review what they are telling us. You probably won't like it, but it is an important thing to read and understand.
In light of the things I've recently learned. If I were in your position, I would outline what I'm doing in an email to my customer in Ebay's email system. Refund the buyer and then go and call Ebay and ask for my FVFs back or I would just let them go if they weren't too much.
You will see when you review the chat they want us to have our buyers open a claim. And then refund from there. I just can't support that as Ebay is asking us to do something that hurts our selling account stats. It makes no sense to me to do this and there is no requirement to do it, they just want us to do it instead of using the cancellation system. There is nothing in the published rules that say we have to do this, however it is what they want us doing. So I suggest NOT using the cancellation system as there is no need to invite problems.
I hope it all works out for you.
10-04-2018 01:32 AM
Tell the buyer to open an Item Not Received request and refund through the request. Since this is a rare situation it will have almost no impact to your metrics.
10-04-2018 02:01 AM - edited 10-04-2018 02:04 AM
Perfect...INR = Lost in the post.
That said? I wouldn't be (sound) so happy to refund (in general) not that eBay give the "seller" much of an option.
I seem to remember a situation recently, where the "buyer" wanted to return an item...it gave a reason that the seller was able to blow outta the water (seller had photographic evidence) so the buyer?, CHANGED the reason
and eBay? told the seller it must STILL accepted the return
EBay CS eh, it's in a class of it's own.
10-04-2018 02:50 AM
@marglu66 wrote:Perfect...INR = Lost in the post.
That said? I wouldn't be (sound) so happy to refund (in general) not that eBay give the "seller" much of an option.
I seem to remember a situation recently, where the "buyer" wanted to return an item...it gave a reason that the seller was able to blow outta the water (seller had photographic evidence)
so the buyer?, CHANGED the reason
and eBay? told the seller it must STILL accepted the return
EBay CS eh, it's in a class of it's own.
Your comments have nothing to do with my question.
This has nothing to do with a buyer wanting to return an item. As for your comment that you wouldn’t refund that is exactly what I said some would say.
Sorry - but if I mail it and the buyer never gets it then a refund is the perfectly ethical response. I stand behind what I sell. You would be surprised at the repeat business it generates. Those who would refuse a refund in this specific case obviously do not understand the ramifications. And then they wonder why their sales are down.
10-04-2018 07:08 AM
Has the buyer filed an INR complaint?
10-04-2018 11:11 AM - edited 10-04-2018 11:12 AM
@sam9876 wrote:Has the buyer filed an INR complaint?
No. He contacted me by eBay messaging asking about the order as the tracking showed no activity.
A sufficient amount of time having passed and, in consult with my post office, I am satisfied it has been lost in transit. I see no reason to irritate him by asking him to jump through hoops for his refund (even though I know there are a whole bunch of hawks here who would make him do it because they are oh so afraid of being scammed.)
Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
Plus it keeps and INR off of my record.
10-04-2018 11:16 AM
@richard1rst wrote:
@sam9876 wrote:Has the buyer filed an INR complaint?
No. He contacted me by eBay messaging asking about the order as the tracking showed no activity.
A sufficient amount of time having passed and, in consult with my post office, I am satisfied it has been lost in transit. I see no reason to irritate him by asking him to jump through hoops for his refund (even though I know there are a whole bunch of hawks here who would make him do it because they are oh so afraid of being scammed.)
Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
Plus it keeps and INR off of my record.
For what it is worth, I agree with you.
10-04-2018 11:29 AM
@Anonymous wrote:Tell the buyer to open an Item Not Received request and refund through the request.
Spot on.
This is a pretty simple process from the buyer's end. They open an INR and select "Lost in Transit" (or whatever the reason is). You get the request, approve it and refund in one fell swoop. I usually message the buyer to tell them I've refunded them in full (just to impress them how quick my customer service is )
BUT ... then you contact the USPS and File a Claim for a Lost Item for reimbusement for they cost of the item (they will NOT reimburse for shipping costs, although I usually file for ALL the costs, sometime I get lucky). In my experience, if you dot all the "i"s and cross all the "t"s ... you get check in about a week to ten days.
10-04-2018 12:05 PM
Since the buyer hasn't filed an INR complaint, the package isn't lost.
10-04-2018 12:19 PM
Sometimes, especially for lower value items, it is just easier to refund through Paypal and let Ebay keep their fees.
10-04-2018 12:42 PM
@newview wrote:
@Anonymous wrote:Tell the buyer to open an Item Not Received request and refund through the request.
Spot on.
This is a pretty simple process from the buyer's end. They open an INR and select "Lost in Transit" (or whatever the reason is). You get the request, approve it and refund in one swoop
When filing a INR, the buyer isn’t asked what the reason is.
10-04-2018 12:46 PM
@m60driver wrote:Sometimes, especially for lower value items, it is just easier to refund through Paypal and let Ebay keep their fees.
But you run the risk of an out of stock defect if you do that. I don’t think eBay catches full refunds and issues a defect regularly, there aren’t enough seller complaints to substantiate it. But it’s still a risk.
10-04-2018 12:57 PM
@newview wrote:
@Anonymous wrote:Tell the buyer to open an Item Not Received request and refund through the request.
Spot on.
This is a pretty simple process from the buyer's end. They open an INR and select "Lost in Transit" (or whatever the reason is). You get the request, approve it and refund in one fell swoop. I usually message the buyer to tell them I've refunded them in full (just to impress them how quick my customer service is
)
BUT ... then you contact the USPS and File a Claim for a Lost Item for reimbusement for they cost of the item (they will NOT reimburse for shipping costs, although I usually file for ALL the costs, sometime I get lucky). In my experience, if you dot all the "i"s and cross all the "t"s ... you get check in about a week to ten days.
INR cases will be used in the new metric to possibly increase seller's FVF by 4% if they are too high compared to their "peers".
10-04-2018 01:01 PM
@buyselljack2016 wrote:INR cases will be used in the new metric to possibly increase seller's FVF by 4% if they are too high compared to their "peers".
Which really sucks because now WE are being penalized if the post office loses a package. That is what my original question was seeking to avoid.