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Wants partial at 41 days

Sold a vintage item missing a few small parts in December.  Buyer was so excited to buy it, he apparently created a guest account - nothing ever showed on my end.  He cancels that. signs in, buys, I ship item.  I get a long windy feedback saying they like it but it was missing this, that and the other thing.  All stuff stated in the listing and shown in photos.

I waited a few days, then responded to the feedback saying as much - said nothing about buyer, just that all the things he mentioned were in the description and quoted it. 

He apparently sees the response at around 45 days EOA, 41 days past getting it, and messages me complaining wanting a partial refund, then opening up a return, even though that's not how a return works.  Magically now the item has other problems he never said a word about previously.  My impression was this was more about remorse and upset that I called out his dishonesty by replying to the feedback comment.  Here again I did not say anything about the buyer directly.     

After a couple of days I closed it and said as much in the response.   I know I'm at risk for a PayPal case, if the guy can figure that out, but I think there my response would just be return for refund, no partials.   

Any criticism on how I handled it?   The item was priced fairly, a similar non-working item sold for the same price about a month before.  Plus he had the option to bid the opening price rather than use Buy it Now.  


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Wants partial at 41 days

A refund is only for 30 days of item received in your hands.

After that you could say no or yes to a refund.

I had a buyer open a refund after 280 days...LOL . I denied the refund of course.

eBay lets buyers open refunds after 30 days...doesn't mean you have to accept them.

Of course, the buyer can do a credit card chargeback for the full amount with their bank. and keep the item.

The buyer can also return a box of rocks as well and not the actual item.

Its hard to determine how to act where a guest account might not show any feedback or anything.

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Since you did not post with the account that was involved in the transaction it is very hard for me to provide a critique of how you handled this.  I would need to see the item photos and description, the feedback left for you, and your response to the feedback.  Without those things, it is hard to say much about a transaction based on one side of the story.

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Wants partial at 41 days

The buyer opened at 41 days past receiving item

The buyer whatever he did cancelled and logged into his correct eBay account to buy the item

He apparently paid through PayPal.  I don't know if he's smart enough to go there and try again.  


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Wants partial at 41 days

Your experience is why i rarely list anything anymore that is not in pristine condition. Some buyers flat-out do not read the entire listing, in turn creating these kinds of issues for the seller. (It is not even primarily a buyer’s fault, since many shop on smartphones where eBay hides the complete description field.)

 

When selling damaged or incomplete items, it’s helpful for sellers to determine their risk tolerance prior to listing the goods. Have a backup plan.


“…My impression was this was more about remorse and upset that I called out his dishonesty by replying to the feedback comment.”

 

Couldn’t be sure without seeimg the listing and feedback in question, so i am only guessing at how everything unfolded. So if you would allow,  let me add in closing, that there is rarely anything positive to be gained by correcting or calling out one’s trading partner. As a general rule, never get into a protracted back-and-forth exchange  with a buyer. It’s lose-lose.

It is up to the seller to rise above the fray and maintain composure in the face of a difficult buyer. In this case, depending on the costs involved, it is likely i would have simply refunded and be done with the unhappy soul. Sadly, the afflicted are among us, and how we respond to them could either help or hinder a seller’s standing.

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The feedback they left goes along the lines of "I am happy with the item but it was also missing X, Y, and Z...." and goes on using most of the 500 character limit.  It almost amounts to a false positive, if I left similar on his account (I left none) it would qualify for removal.

My response was to the effect of "per listing description and photos, item was missing X, Y and Z, the description was accurate" and quoted lines from the description.

I don't care about the goofball, but should a different potential buyer look at that diatribe he left I want them to see the buyer is a goofball.   The buyer is mad because it makes him look like a goofball even though all I covered was what I stated in the listing.  

When the item is past even eBay's requirement for a return I'm not going to let them bully me into some partial refund.  Nor would I entertain a return because who knows what I would get back.  

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GOOD FOR YOU NOT SUCCUMBING TO THE PARTIAL REFUND SCAMMER. I wonder at times if these people who wait over 30 days are resellers who cannot sell your item then go back and ask for a partial refund to recoup their business costs, or whatever nonsense they come up with to claw back cash.

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So let’s see, I am going to go to Amazon, walmart, etsy, wherever and contact them and say. I have had this widget for over a month and geez I really now do not like it as much as I did when I bought it and I think you should be obligated to give me part of my money back. WTH.

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I just want to add that Amazon, Walmart, they can afford to take a hit to make their customers happy. Plus the folks at Walmart working on return cases aren’t taking money out of their own pocket. But we are. 

 

Some buyers on ebay seem to mistaken sellers here for their local chain retailers and expect us to behave like them. I just had one negative review saying I wasn’t up to Macy’s standard handling the return. I’m just one dude, so maybe I’m not. 

 

(Sorry for the rant OP, didn’t mean to hijack your inquiry.) 

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Wants partial at 41 days

NO, YOU ARE RIGHT,  customers have HUGE expectations based on what other big retailer do and they set the standard.

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Wants partial at 41 days

  I know I'm at risk for a PayPal case, if the guy can figure that out, but I think there my response would just be return for refund, no partials. 

 

If he files and wins with PayPal, I believe that is a payment dispute and I do not believe there is a "return for refund" option. Such an option does not appear to be discussed here: 

 

https://www.paypal.com/us/webapps/mpp/paypal-safety-and-security

 

My impression was this was more about remorse and upset that I called out his dishonesty by replying to the feedback comment. Here again I did not say anything about the buyer directly. Any criticism on how I handled it?

 

You seem to think that your feedback reply was the trigger for the return request, but we cannot see that response so there is really no way for us to evaluate how you handled it or how accurate it was. 

 

The buyer is mad because it makes him look like a goofball 

Did he tell you that, or are you just speculating? 

 

 

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