Unpaid Item policy vs. cancel order

[liawrig.nq8rdwqa3]

Do you think this is a good thing or not?

Ebay needs to get its Pay Immediately upon offer being accepted or highest bid straight.  It would be better if when the bid is won, Ebay went ahead and charged the buyer's account!!!   Why should we wait for payment and then have to chase the buyer for payment.  Get it together Ebay?  Other platforms are passing you.

[luckythewinner]

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@liawrig.nq8rdwqa3 wrote:

Other platforms are passing you.

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eBay cannot collect money based on an auction ending or an offer being accepted by a seller.

Payments must be initated by the buyer; neither eBay nor the seller cannot "pull" money from a buyer's account. 

What "other platforms" pull monet from a buyer when an auction ends or when a seller accepts an offer? 

[pikabo-icu]

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@luckythewinner wrote:

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@liawrig.nq8rdwqa3 wrote:

Other platforms are passing you.

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eBay cannot collect money based on an auction ending or an offer being accepted by a seller.

Payments must be initated by the buyer; neither eBay nor the seller cannot "pull" money from a buyer's account. 

What "other platforms" pull monet from a buyer when an auction ends or when a seller accepts an offer? 

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Poshmark for one..

When you make an offer you set a form of payment that is charged if the offer is accepted. 

This is from one of the auction sites I use

Failure to Pay — Any items not paid for in accordance with the EBTH Terms and Conditions within seven (7) days of the sale closing (or upon a later applicable payment due date as may be provided herein) will be forfeited by you and, as to Consignment Items, EBTH may, in its sole and absolute discretion, resell or dispose of the items as well as donate the items to a charity of EBTH’s choosing. EBTH reserves the right to charge any payment option you have on file and/or to report your account to collections for the combined total of the original invoice amount and any moving or disposal charges and you will be responsible for any charges incurred by EBTH in collecting your payment.

[luckythewinner]

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@pikabo-icu wrote:

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@luckythewinner wrote:

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@liawrig.nq8rdwqa3 wrote:

Other platforms are passing you.

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eBay cannot collect money based on an auction ending or an offer being accepted by a seller.

Payments must be initated by the buyer; neither eBay nor the seller cannot "pull" money from a buyer's account. 

What "other platforms" pull monet from a buyer when an auction ends or when a seller accepts an offer? 

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Poshmark for one..

When you make an offer you set a form of payment that is charged if the offer is accepted. 

This is from one of the auction sites I use

Failure to Pay — Any items not paid for in accordance with the EBTH Terms and Conditions within seven (7) days of the sale closing (or upon a later applicable payment due date as may be provided herein) will be forfeited by you and, as to Consignment Items, EBTH may, in its sole and absolute discretion, resell or dispose of the items as well as donate the items to a charity of EBTH’s choosing. EBTH reserves the right to charge any payment option you have on file and/or to report your account to collections for the combined total of the original invoice amount and any moving or disposal charges and you will be responsible for any charges incurred by EBTH in collecting your payment.

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Thank for confirming that the auction site you mentioned does not pull money when the auction ends, and gives buyers 7 days to pay. And they can only charge a buyer if the buyer still has a payment method on file (which eBay does not). 

And if I am not mistaken, Poshmark controls the shipping costs. If so, then unlike eBay they know what to charge for shipping. Under eBay's model, they do not. 

The long and the short of it is that eBay gives sellers a way to get paid immediately. But it is up to the seller to have the discipline to stick to that model if that is how they want eBay to work. 

[pikabo-icu]

@luckythewinner 

I didn't want to quote again, it's getting long lol

Yes but when I registered I had to put a payment source on file and you risk being sent to collections, if you don't pay.  They give you 7 days to pay with a source of your choosing or they charge the CC you gave at registration. 

I'm not suggesting eBay do exactly that same set up but they could do something to help stop the sport bidding and auction winners that never pay.

The offer system could be set up just like Poshmark- Buyer enters CC or Paypal that will be auto charged if the offer is accepted. I've shopped this way for years and it's always been fine.

I think anyone that bids on an auction or makes an offer should expect & be ready to pay so I don't see what the problem is.. That's all I'm saying. 

[luckythewinner]

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@pikabo-icu wrote:

I think anyone that bids on an auction or makes an offer should expect & be ready to pay so I don't see what the problem is.. That's all I'm saying. 

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And all I am saying is that it would be a pretty heavy lift for eBay to do that, which I suspect is why they gave sellers an alternative instead. 

There was a bit of an uproar on this board when eBay switched to Managed Payments, with many sellers vowing to quit rather than give eBay what they perceived as "unlimited access" to their money and the ability to "charge as much as they want". 

Imagine how buyers would react when they perceived that eBay was asking them for a credit card before they even won an auction, giving eBay "unlimited access" to their money and the ability to "charge as much as they want" 🙂

Most traditional auction houses are a different animal than eBay.  They take possession of the items, collect the payments, and arrange the shipping. The seller does not keep the item and ship it like they do on eBay. I'd be curious to know how the unnamed auction site you mention works. 

[pikabo-icu]

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@luckythewinner wrote:

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@pikabo-icu wrote:

I think anyone that bids on an auction or makes an offer should expect & be ready to pay so I don't see what the problem is.. That's all I'm saying. 

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And all I am saying is that it would be a pretty heavy lift for eBay to do that, which I suspect is why they gave sellers an alternative instead. 

There was a bit of an uproar on this board when eBay switched to Managed Payments, with many sellers vowing to quit rather than give eBay what they perceived as "unlimited access" to their money and the ability to "charge as much as they want". 

Imagine how buyers would react when they perceived that eBay was asking them for a credit card before they even won an auction, giving eBay "unlimited access" to their money and the ability to "charge as much as they want" 🙂

Most traditional auction houses are a different animal than eBay.  They take possession of the items, collect the payments, and arrange the shipping. The seller does not keep the item and ship it like they do on eBay. I'd be curious to know how the unnamed auction site you mention works. 

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Oh believe me I know- the outcry from buyers would be heard round the world.. 

It's not unnamed.. The name is in the terms I quoted above.. 

They have equal disdain for any seller that doesn't follow through- I've never been on the wrong end of their terms as buyer or seller so I don't know from personal experience but it's outlined in their terms which are several pages long. 

[pikabo-icu]

I forgot to address this and my edit time ran out.. 

"Imagine how buyers would react when they perceived that eBay was asking them for a credit card before they even won an auction, giving eBay "unlimited access" to their money and the ability to "charge as much as they want"

eBay, Posmark nor any other auction site could charge as much as they want.

It's the buyer that makes an offer, the buyer that places a bid and/or sets a max bid so it's the buyer/card holder that determines the amount to be charged with their actions.

Having a designated payment source doesn't give the site carte blanche to decide the amount to be charged. If the buyer is bidding offering, they should expect to pay in the end. 

[jonathankirkland]

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@luckythewinner wrote:

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@liawrig.nq8rdwqa3 wrote:

Other platforms are passing you.

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eBay cannot collect money based on an auction ending or an offer being accepted by a seller.

Payments must be initated by the buyer; neither eBay nor the seller cannot "pull" money from a buyer's account. 

What "other platforms" pull monet from a buyer when an auction ends or when a seller accepts an offer? 

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But you're entering into a binding agreement by making an offer or placing a bid, why should you NOT be held accountable for that?

That is the entire problem with ebay right now as far as these flaky sport bidders. I'd rather lose 90% of these 'would be' buyers and just have the serious ones left.

[jonathankirkland]

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@pikabo-icu wrote:

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@luckythewinner wrote:

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@liawrig.nq8rdwqa3 wrote:

Other platforms are passing you.

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eBay cannot collect money based on an auction ending or an offer being accepted by a seller.

Payments must be initated by the buyer; neither eBay nor the seller cannot "pull" money from a buyer's account. 

What "other platforms" pull monet from a buyer when an auction ends or when a seller accepts an offer? 

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Poshmark for one..

When you make an offer you set a form of payment that is charged if the offer is accepted. 

This is from one of the auction sites I use

Failure to Pay — Any items not paid for in accordance with the EBTH Terms and Conditions within seven (7) days of the sale closing (or upon a later applicable payment due date as may be provided herein) will be forfeited by you and, as to Consignment Items, EBTH may, in its sole and absolute discretion, resell or dispose of the items as well as donate the items to a charity of EBTH’s choosing. EBTH reserves the right to charge any payment option you have on file and/or to report your account to collections for the combined total of the original invoice amount and any moving or disposal charges and you will be responsible for any charges incurred by EBTH in collecting your payment.

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One other way ebay could stop these idiots is by charging them a non-paying fee, maybe $2 for each one they back out if, $1 to the seller and $1 to ebay.

However this may just increase false snads then. *shrug* BUT if people are TRS, then they can subtract 50% of the false snad, so then again the flaker gets burned as they deserve. 😄

[downunder-61]

The quicker I pay the quicker I get my item, never understand why buyers delay.

If you don't have the funds NOW don't bid or maybe pick an auction that ends when you will have the money - sounds simple to me

[pikabo-icu]

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@jonathankirkland wrote:

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@pikabo-icu wrote:

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@luckythewinner wrote:

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@liawrig.nq8rdwqa3 wrote:

Other platforms are passing you.

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eBay cannot collect money based on an auction ending or an offer being accepted by a seller.

Payments must be initated by the buyer; neither eBay nor the seller cannot "pull" money from a buyer's account. 

What "other platforms" pull monet from a buyer when an auction ends or when a seller accepts an offer? 

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Poshmark for one..

When you make an offer you set a form of payment that is charged if the offer is accepted. 

This is from one of the auction sites I use

Failure to Pay — Any items not paid for in accordance with the EBTH Terms and Conditions within seven (7) days of the sale closing (or upon a later applicable payment due date as may be provided herein) will be forfeited by you and, as to Consignment Items, EBTH may, in its sole and absolute discretion, resell or dispose of the items as well as donate the items to a charity of EBTH’s choosing. EBTH reserves the right to charge any payment option you have on file and/or to report your account to collections for the combined total of the original invoice amount and any moving or disposal charges and you will be responsible for any charges incurred by EBTH in collecting your payment.

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One other way ebay could stop these idiots is by charging them a non-paying fee, maybe $2 for each one they back out if, $1 to the seller and $1 to ebay.

However this may just increase false snads then. *shrug* BUT if people are TRS, then they can subtract 50% of the false snad, so then again the flaker gets burned as they deserve. 😄

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@jonathankirkland 

I like that idea too.

Cover the listing fee and the seller's trouble waiting 4 days for payment & having to relist.

There are any number of things eBay could try to end the sport bidding and the false offer activity.

I NEVER make an offer or bid on an item I don't intend to follow through and finalize. PERIOD.

I have my PP account connected to eBay- if they want to automatically charge me when I win, I have no problem with that. 

The couple bucks you suggested could also work-

As of now there are very little consequences if any.

@downunder-61  Agreed..

[chapeau-noir]

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@luckythewinner wrote:

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@pikabo-icu wrote:

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@luckythewinner wrote:

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@liawrig.nq8rdwqa3 wrote:

Other platforms are passing you.

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eBay cannot collect money based on an auction ending or an offer being accepted by a seller.

Payments must be initated by the buyer; neither eBay nor the seller cannot "pull" money from a buyer's account. 

What "other platforms" pull monet from a buyer when an auction ends or when a seller accepts an offer? 

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Poshmark for one..

When you make an offer you set a form of payment that is charged if the offer is accepted. 

This is from one of the auction sites I use

Failure to Pay — Any items not paid for in accordance with the EBTH Terms and Conditions within seven (7) days of the sale closing (or upon a later applicable payment due date as may be provided herein) will be forfeited by you and, as to Consignment Items, EBTH may, in its sole and absolute discretion, resell or dispose of the items as well as donate the items to a charity of EBTH’s choosing. EBTH reserves the right to charge any payment option you have on file and/or to report your account to collections for the combined total of the original invoice amount and any moving or disposal charges and you will be responsible for any charges incurred by EBTH in collecting your payment.

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Thank for confirming that the auction site you mentioned does not pull money when the auction ends, and gives buyers 7 days to pay. And they can only charge a buyer if the buyer still has a payment method on file (which eBay does not). 

And if I am not mistaken, Poshmark controls the shipping costs. If so, then unlike eBay they know what to charge for shipping. Under eBay's model, they do not. 

The long and the short of it is that eBay gives sellers a way to get paid immediately. But it is up to the seller to have the discipline to stick to that model if that is how they want eBay to work. 

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Of course the seller knows what to charge for shipping, the shipping costs are stated in the auction.  Point is, there's no reason why ebay cannot have payment data on file to charge the sale when the auction is won/best offer is accepted, just as when one checks out with immediate payment.  

[readabouthorses]

Yes, the shipping costs are in the auction but what if the seller offered 3 different shipping options? Only way that would work is the bidder would have to choose a shipping option when they placed their bid. If that were not an option then sellers would only be allowed to show one shipping option in listings.