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I don't understand Ebay policy.  If an item is sold and the buyer is not happy and

returns the item, and the seller refunds the purchase price and the postage in both directions, why does that buyer have the ability to give a person negative feedback?

   The transaction is canceled when the refund is complete.  The buyer was not injured and was made whole. The buyer therefore has no right to be able to

make negative comments.  There was in effect no transaction.  Nothing transpired.

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@honeys_hut wrote:
This just happened to me this today! I posted to the community asking if this has happened to anyone else. (honeys_hut) I mailed an excellent condition item to a buyer, bubble wrapped and added newspaper for extra protection. Buyer claims I mailed him a broken item! It had to have happened during shipping, and now I have a big negative review! I asked buyer to call and told him I was very sorry, etc. and how item was shipped in excellent condition as he saw it when he purchased it. I'm devastated that I would be judged so harshly, I have no control over shipping!

Your buyer is saying that the part that was broken off wasn't in the package.  Whether there observation was correct or not is something we don't know here.  I assume that during your conversation with them that they told you that.

 

I know it can be very disturbing to get a negative.  Sometimes we can learn things from them and sometimes there is no valid information or truth to them.  

 

You will be fine.  Most will not hold that against you as badly as you think they will. If you decide to respond to it in your FB, keep it professional and factual.  Do NOT vent or get your emotions tied up in your statement.  That will do far more harm with potential buyers viewing your FB than what the buyer that left the neg said.


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@d-k_treasures wrote:

@castlemagicmemories wrote:

@d-k_treasures wrote:

Just tacking onto the end of the thread, but curious as to what it really sold for? Sold's have it as 350.00, the listing says 350.00, but the feedback says 300.00.

 

I wonder if the 'best offer' isn't showing in sold listings anymore(we know the BO price accepted is)? That sure would cause some bad info for sellers researching items and also the data being sold ...........

 


No, it's not, d_k.  I don't think it has been for some time.  I have bought items with my Best Offer being accepted by the seller, and the sold listing then shows the original price; it does not reflect the Best Offer Price that was accepted.  Nor does it even say that Best Offer was accepted.  The only place you see that is in feedback, again, with the Best Offer price not showing.


But the completed listings always showed BO accepted(the listings have been showing the listed price for a long time). Now search seems to not show that a BO was accepted.

 

This is so wrong - and skews the numbers. Fake news numbers.

 

 


You are right!  It just says sold, and it shows the original price, not the Best Offer price that was accepted, and it does present an erroneous view and numbers.

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@bobogringos wrote:

I don't understand Ebay policy.  If an item is sold and the buyer is not happy and

returns the item, and the seller refunds the purchase price and the postage in both directions, why does that buyer have the ability to give a person negative feedback?

   The transaction is canceled when the refund is complete.  The buyer was not injured and was made whole. The buyer therefore has no right to be able to

make negative comments.  There was in effect no transaction.  Nothing transpired.


Best thing is to own the Neg.Level a comment such as " we messed up and did not see the damage". Then after about a week send a request for feedback revision to the buyer appoligizing for the oversite and ask if the would concider a revision. If they say no then you buyers will see that you owned your mistake instead of blaming the buyer or ranting about it and most buyers will feel better about the neg

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Because even though the buyer got their money back it was still a bad experience to deal with. I can never understand why sellers think giving a refund makes everything grand.

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@surp1mpls wrote:

@bobogringos wrote:

I don't understand Ebay policy.  If an item is sold and the buyer is not happy and

returns the item, and the seller refunds the purchase price and the postage in both directions, why does that buyer have the ability to give a person negative feedback?

   The transaction is canceled when the refund is complete.  The buyer was not injured and was made whole. The buyer therefore has no right to be able to

make negative comments.  There was in effect no transaction.  Nothing transpired.


Best thing is to own the Neg.Level a comment such as " we messed up and did not see the damage". Then after about a week send a request for feedback revision to the buyer appoligizing for the oversite and ask if the would concider a revision. If they say no then you buyers will see that you owned your mistake instead of blaming the buyer or ranting about it and most buyers will feel better about the neg


It is NOT in a seller's best interest to send a feedback revision form to a buyer without having communicated with the buyer FIRST and to have an understanding with that buyer that they are willing to revise the FB.

 

Sellers have a limited number of FB revision forms that can even be sent.  Plus they have a shelf life on the ones sent.  If the buyer doesn't know it is coming, they may not even notice it before it expires.  Sellers can't send a second one.  Once it expires the form can't be used and you can't send another.

 

Don't waste one of the forms on an unsuspecting buyer.  Communicate with them.  Make sure you have taken care of their concerns, then politely ask them if they would be willing to revise the FB.  If they are receptive to the idea, then send the FB revision form, not before.


mam98031  •  Volunteer Community Member  •  Buyer/Seller since 1999
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@castlemagicmemories wrote:

@d-k_treasures wrote:

@castlemagicmemories wrote:

@d-k_treasures wrote:

Just tacking onto the end of the thread, but curious as to what it really sold for? Sold's have it as 350.00, the listing says 350.00, but the feedback says 300.00.

 

I wonder if the 'best offer' isn't showing in sold listings anymore(we know the BO price accepted is)? That sure would cause some bad info for sellers researching items and also the data being sold ...........

 


No, it's not, d_k.  I don't think it has been for some time.  I have bought items with my Best Offer being accepted by the seller, and the sold listing then shows the original price; it does not reflect the Best Offer Price that was accepted.  Nor does it even say that Best Offer was accepted.  The only place you see that is in feedback, again, with the Best Offer price not showing.


But the completed listings always showed BO accepted(the listings have been showing the listed price for a long time). Now search seems to not show that a BO was accepted.

 

This is so wrong - and skews the numbers. Fake news numbers.

 

 


You are right!  It just says sold, and it shows the original price, not the Best Offer price that was accepted, and it does present an erroneous view and numbers.


And now it doesn't even show that there was a best offer price accepted(they stopped showing the BO price a long time ago) in search.

 

Like I said - if they are selling those fake numbers, well, any 3PB pricing sites will be selling the wrong info to subscribers.

 

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There used to be a field where a seller could publicly reply to poor feedback and state their side of the story. I never had to use it, but I did see that when I clicked on other seller's negative feedback.
That might be an option for you, unless eBay has done away with that.
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@kemcin_26 wrote:
OMG sellers how hard it is it to understand that if you can't deliver the item in the shape that it was listed in it's not a good experience for the buyer.

They don't want a refund they don't want to excuse his about it being damaged in the mail, they want the item.

@kemcin_26, Oh please.  How hard is it for a buyer to contact the seller FIRST before ruining what may be a perfect reputation (feedback).  All the buyer has to do is ask for their money back, in eBay message.  I know buyers are not required to include a photo of the "broken" item but when I have received something broken, the first thing I want is the seller to SEE how it broke, so I send sometimes 2 photos.    

 

I woud never just neg someone without first giving the seller a chance to make it right.   geez

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Same thing happened to me.  Except for the buyer had "no address found" via USPS.  I guess that is my fault, and that's why i got a negative feedback.

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@rainbowcolorz wrote:

@kemcin_26 wrote:
OMG sellers how hard it is it to understand that if you can't deliver the item in the shape that it was listed in it's not a good experience for the buyer.

They don't want a refund they don't want to excuse his about it being damaged in the mail, they want the item.

@kemcin_26, Oh please.  How hard is it for a buyer to contact the seller FIRST before ruining what may be a perfect reputation (feedback).  All the buyer has to do is ask for their money back, in eBay message.  I know buyers are not required to include a photo of the "broken" item but when I have received something broken, the first thing I want is the seller to SEE how it broke, so I send sometimes 2 photos.    

 

I woud never just neg someone without first giving the seller a chance to make it right.   geez


@rainbowcolorz

As a buyer if I was in the same situation I would still leave the negative feedback even if I had contacted my seller beforehand.

 

Why? Because if I'm going to drop $300 S on a ring only to get it and find out that it was badly repaired I'm going to be angry.

 

Does a seller deserve bad feedback in that situation, especially when they release the item and admit that there had been previous damage that they didn't just disclosed in the first place? Absolutely.

 

I'm sorry but in this case the seller earned the negative.

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@kemcin_26 wrote:

@rainbowcolorz wrote:

@kemcin_26 wrote:
OMG sellers how hard it is it to understand that if you can't deliver the item in the shape that it was listed in it's not a good experience for the buyer.

They don't want a refund they don't want to excuse his about it being damaged in the mail, they want the item.

@kemcin_26, Oh please.  How hard is it for a buyer to contact the seller FIRST before ruining what may be a perfect reputation (feedback).  All the buyer has to do is ask for their money back, in eBay message.  I know buyers are not required to include a photo of the "broken" item but when I have received something broken, the first thing I want is the seller to SEE how it broke, so I send sometimes 2 photos.    

 

I woud never just neg someone without first giving the seller a chance to make it right.   geez


@rainbowcolorz

As a buyer if I was in the same situation I would still leave the negative feedback even if I had contacted my seller beforehand.

 

Why? Because if I'm going to drop $300 S on a ring only to get it and find out that it was badly repaired I'm going to be angry.

 

Does a seller deserve bad feedback in that situation, especially when they release the item and admit that there had been previous damage that they didn't just disclosed in the first place? Absolutely.

 

I'm sorry but in this case the seller earned the negative.


@kemcin_26

TRUE because sellers aren't human and they can't possibly make an honest mistake!  It wonderful that you able to stay above that.  [complete sarcasm intended]

 

It is one thing if when you bring the problem to the seller's attention and they say OMG I missed that and I'm very sorry.  Please return the item and I'll get you fully refunded upon its arrival.

 

A completely different thing if the seller trys to argue with you and/or cover up the flaw you discovered.  Then the seller may be earning the bad FB.

 

Contrary to some people's beliefs, sellers are mere humans.

 

 

 

 


mam98031  •  Volunteer Community Member  •  Buyer/Seller since 1999
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@mam98031 wrote:

@kemcin_26 wrote:

@rainbowcolorz wrote:

@kemcin_26 wrote:
OMG sellers how hard it is it to understand that if you can't deliver the item in the shape that it was listed in it's not a good experience for the buyer.

They don't want a refund they don't want to excuse his about it being damaged in the mail, they want the item.

@kemcin_26, Oh please.  How hard is it for a buyer to contact the seller FIRST before ruining what may be a perfect reputation (feedback).  All the buyer has to do is ask for their money back, in eBay message.  I know buyers are not required to include a photo of the "broken" item but when I have received something broken, the first thing I want is the seller to SEE how it broke, so I send sometimes 2 photos.    

 

I woud never just neg someone without first giving the seller a chance to make it right.   geez


@rainbowcolorz

As a buyer if I was in the same situation I would still leave the negative feedback even if I had contacted my seller beforehand.

 

Why? Because if I'm going to drop $300 S on a ring only to get it and find out that it was badly repaired I'm going to be angry.

 

Does a seller deserve bad feedback in that situation, especially when they release the item and admit that there had been previous damage that they didn't just disclosed in the first place? Absolutely.

 

I'm sorry but in this case the seller earned the negative.


@kemcin_26

TRUE because sellers aren't human and they can't possibly make an honest mistake!  It wonderful that you able to stay above that.  [complete sarcasm intended]

 

It is one thing if when you bring the problem to the seller's attention and they say OMG I missed that and I'm very sorry.  Please return the item and I'll get you fully refunded upon its arrival.

 

A completely different thing if the seller trys to argue with you and/or cover up the flaw you discovered.  Then the seller may be earning the bad FB.

 

Contrary to some people's beliefs, sellers are mere humans.

 

 

 

 


I'm sorry but when I spend the time looking for a $300 ring and I get it and I find out that it's been badly reglued I'm not going to have a positive experience.

 

Why should I be all sunshine and rainbows and leave the seller a glowing positive when I've taken the time to research my item by the item wait for the item to arrive find out it's not as described take time to go through the return process and get nothing for my effort except my money returned.

 

If I wanted my money I would have held onto it to begin with and not bought something.

 

So in this case I do believe that the buyer was honest and the seller blatantly lied and their description to begin with.

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@kemcin_26 wrote:

@mam98031 wrote:

@kemcin_26 wrote:

@rainbowcolorz wrote:

@kemcin_26 wrote:
OMG sellers how hard it is it to understand that if you can't deliver the item in the shape that it was listed in it's not a good experience for the buyer.

They don't want a refund they don't want to excuse his about it being damaged in the mail, they want the item.

@kemcin_26, Oh please.  How hard is it for a buyer to contact the seller FIRST before ruining what may be a perfect reputation (feedback).  All the buyer has to do is ask for their money back, in eBay message.  I know buyers are not required to include a photo of the "broken" item but when I have received something broken, the first thing I want is the seller to SEE how it broke, so I send sometimes 2 photos.    

 

I woud never just neg someone without first giving the seller a chance to make it right.   geez


@rainbowcolorz

As a buyer if I was in the same situation I would still leave the negative feedback even if I had contacted my seller beforehand.

 

Why? Because if I'm going to drop $300 S on a ring only to get it and find out that it was badly repaired I'm going to be angry.

 

Does a seller deserve bad feedback in that situation, especially when they release the item and admit that there had been previous damage that they didn't just disclosed in the first place? Absolutely.

 

I'm sorry but in this case the seller earned the negative.


@kemcin_26

TRUE because sellers aren't human and they can't possibly make an honest mistake!  It wonderful that you able to stay above that.  [complete sarcasm intended]

 

It is one thing if when you bring the problem to the seller's attention and they say OMG I missed that and I'm very sorry.  Please return the item and I'll get you fully refunded upon its arrival.

 

A completely different thing if the seller trys to argue with you and/or cover up the flaw you discovered.  Then the seller may be earning the bad FB.

 

Contrary to some people's beliefs, sellers are mere humans.

 

 

 

 


I'm sorry but when I spend the time looking for a $300 ring and I get it and I find out that it's been badly reglued I'm not going to have a positive experience.

 

Why should I be all sunshine and rainbows and leave the seller a glowing positive when I've taken the time to research my item by the item wait for the item to arrive find out it's not as described take time to go through the return process and get nothing for my effort except my money returned.

 

If I wanted my money I would have held onto it to begin with and not bought something.

 

So in this case I do believe that the buyer was honest and the seller blatantly lied and their description to begin with.


Not a problem.  You have the right to your opinion as I do to mine.  You have expectations of us mere humans that from time to time would be very difficult to live up to.  Hopefully you haven't been so severly punished or harshly judged for any honest error you have made in life.

 

I have no idea if this OP made an honest error or was trying to omit it on purpose.  For myself, I can excuse an honest error, but not one that was omitted on purpose.  I realize that does not meet with your way of thinking, I'm only speaking for myself, not you or anyone else.


mam98031  •  Volunteer Community Member  •  Buyer/Seller since 1999
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@mam98031 wrote:

@kemcin_26 wrote:

@mam98031 wrote:

@kemcin_26 wrote:

@rainbowcolorz wrote:

@kemcin_26 wrote:
OMG sellers how hard it is it to understand that if you can't deliver the item in the shape that it was listed in it's not a good experience for the buyer.

They don't want a refund they don't want to excuse his about it being damaged in the mail, they want the item.

@kemcin_26, Oh please.  How hard is it for a buyer to contact the seller FIRST before ruining what may be a perfect reputation (feedback).  All the buyer has to do is ask for their money back, in eBay message.  I know buyers are not required to include a photo of the "broken" item but when I have received something broken, the first thing I want is the seller to SEE how it broke, so I send sometimes 2 photos.    

 

I woud never just neg someone without first giving the seller a chance to make it right.   geez


@rainbowcolorz

As a buyer if I was in the same situation I would still leave the negative feedback even if I had contacted my seller beforehand.

 

Why? Because if I'm going to drop $300 S on a ring only to get it and find out that it was badly repaired I'm going to be angry.

 

Does a seller deserve bad feedback in that situation, especially when they release the item and admit that there had been previous damage that they didn't just disclosed in the first place? Absolutely.

 

I'm sorry but in this case the seller earned the negative.


@kemcin_26

TRUE because sellers aren't human and they can't possibly make an honest mistake!  It wonderful that you able to stay above that.  [complete sarcasm intended]

 

It is one thing if when you bring the problem to the seller's attention and they say OMG I missed that and I'm very sorry.  Please return the item and I'll get you fully refunded upon its arrival.

 

A completely different thing if the seller trys to argue with you and/or cover up the flaw you discovered.  Then the seller may be earning the bad FB.

 

Contrary to some people's beliefs, sellers are mere humans.

 

 

 

 


I'm sorry but when I spend the time looking for a $300 ring and I get it and I find out that it's been badly reglued I'm not going to have a positive experience.

 

Why should I be all sunshine and rainbows and leave the seller a glowing positive when I've taken the time to research my item by the item wait for the item to arrive find out it's not as described take time to go through the return process and get nothing for my effort except my money returned.

 

If I wanted my money I would have held onto it to begin with and not bought something.

 

So in this case I do believe that the buyer was honest and the seller blatantly lied and their description to begin with.


Not a problem.  You have the right to your opinion as I do to mine.  You have expectations of us mere humans that from time to time would be very difficult to live up to.  Hopefully you haven't been so severly punished or harshly judged for any honest error you have made in life.

 

I have no idea if this OP made an honest error or was trying to omit it on purpose.  For myself, I can excuse an honest error, but not one that was omitted on purpose.  I realize that does not meet with your way of thinking, I'm only speaking for myself, not you or anyone else.


@mam98031, thank you.  I agree with you completely.  I ALWAYS give the seller the opportunity to make my purchase (if there's something wrong) right.  AND, if the seller did, and in the end I was happy -- the seller gets the HIGHEST 5 star positive feedback eBay allows.  

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