Taxed Twice M2M Thread

[mr_lincoln]

I saw this post on the M2M board ...

I agree 110% that "used" items, collectibles, antiques, etc ... meaning any thing that isn't "current and new" should NOT be subject to sales tax.  The sales tax was paid at the original point of purchase (except in Delaware) so the state got their cut then ... charging tax again on these items is at a minimum Double Taxation ... time to throw something other then Tea into the Boston Harbor ... can I get an "Amen?"

[7606dennis]

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@luckythewinner wrote:

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@Anonymous wrote:

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The sales tax laws have passed muster with the Supreme Court, which is part of the judicial branch established by the Constitution. 

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And the Stamp Act passed muster with King George.  Your point?

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You were the one who brought up your oath to defend the Constitution. I was simply pointing out the irony of your apparent willingness to now take up arms against it over sales taxes. 

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Actually, I believe the issue that sparked the Boston Tea Party and raised the ire of  many of the colonists was taxation without representation and not double taxation.  At the time the colonists had no representation in Parliament which is not the case when it comes to the taxes levied by state and the federal government here in the US today. 

[ed8108]

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@7606dennis wrote.  At the time the colonists had no representation in Parliament which is not the case when it comes to the taxes levied by state and the federal government here in the US today. 

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Not as simple as no representation

I think if the colonists had been given representation for appearance sake but largely control of their affairs & taxes was held in the hands of  politicians and bureaucrats that served British business interests & that of the wealthy, not acting for the best interests of the mass of the colonial population, that likely would still have led to insurrection

[moondogblues]

"When you get up into the larger items like cars, homes, etc. this equates to big money."

Add on the interest...boggles the mind. In any other culture but this one it would be illegal.

[moondogblues]

"Good for you. But the majority of states in the US charge state sales tax. You must live in one that doesn't. And yours also must be a state that has no GW or other thrift stores. "

I live in a no sales tax state and we have plenty of thrift stores....why would you even say that?

[moondogblues]

"Also if double taxation was against the law, how would states and the federal government both tax on the same income?"

OK, I had to think a bit...raspberry vodka impedence here, but....

Federal tax on your gross income. State tax on what's left. Gas tax when you buy it (out of what's left). If you drink you pay a sin tax. Property tax. Sales tax for those states who have it. There are a lot more, but...

The double whammy is that we pay way more in taxes than a lot of socialist countries who have GASP nationalized health care....and we (a lot of us) are forced into bankruptcy by illnesses every year.

So....double taxation???? LOL big time. More like taxed right to death. Yeah ok the vodka's kicking in, and no I am not a Russian troll....normally I drink wine.

[moondogblues]

"What you are calling "semantics" is an explanation of the fundamental concept behind a sales tax.

If there are 100 transactions involving the same item, each of those 100 transactions is taxed 1 time.

The fact that you don't agree that there is a distinction between an object and an activity does not alter the law. "

So it's ok that an item costing 1.00 (example from CA) is taxed .08 cents every time it sells again and again (a hundred times in your example) will reap the state 80.00....usury at its finest, IMHO.

[moondogblues]

"I don't like the speed limits on some of our roads. If I make the choice to go above the stated limits, then I'm risking getting a fine because what I'm doing is against the law. I could argue that I'm a tax payer, therefore I own the road in which I'm driving on, how far do you think that will get me in front of a judge??? I bet nowhere would likely be the answer. "

Did you know that most states have a sort of unwritten rule-ish thing called as fast as conditions will allow? You can argue it in front of a judge and especially if the ticket handing out cop doesn't show up you will be ok.

[moondogblues]

I had forgotten about the tax on Social Security...BIG double whammy. I already paid tax on that income.

[luckythewinner]

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@moondogblues wrote:
So it's ok that an item costing 1.00 (example from CA) is taxed .08 cents every time it sells again and again (a hundred times in your example) will reap the state 80.00....usury at its finest, IMHO.

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Absolutely - because there were 100 transactions and 100 people received a benefit from it.

(Aside from the math error,  of course - the state would only reap $8, not $80). 

Can you give me a realistic example of a used item that has been sold 100 times? 

[luckythewinner]

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@moondogblues wrote:
 we pay way more in taxes than a lot of socialist countries who have GASP nationalized health care

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[hillbillymedia]

Inheritance tax is also a biggie.

[hillbillymedia]

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@callahanmagic wrote:

Amen! @mr_lincoln 

Thank you for your service from me and my family! @Anonymous 

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Lucas

*still rollin’ with the punches*

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Ditto from me!

[yourhappytoseeme]

theres only one way to go..stop buying online second hand items.i agree with the fact it should not be taxed,big boxed stores are the ones that have new merchandise and taxed that for years.the states cry-ed on online sales tax for that,but now have gone over board in every direction.old saying feed the pig he gets bigger, wants more,more,more.the states are getting on the list of others that are american greed.isnt this just great for the economy !!! tax um up you  tax greedy governments !! one day the people will come together to stop this,or go broke to cause governments to fall. !!! right now the government is trying to find way to tax people when the are dead. !! people look around we are taxed to death now,on everything we do,most things in life, we are taxed many times over and over for same purchases !!

[jennieaa]

I live in a state that does not tax items purchased at an estate sale or auction, if the sale takes place on the owners property.  Nor is there sales tax on yard sales.

Each community sets it's own rules for how many yard sales you can have -- and can be overridden by HOA (Home Owner's Association) which can forbid yard sales, garage sales, estate sales unless held on the chosen 'community sale' dates.  One community allows the police to determine you - the sale holder - must supply traffic direction because you are creating a traffic jam.

Just a little food for thought:  I read an English history book.  The Revolutionary War got one paragraph that finished some thing like ...'the people sued the King for peace because they were tired of paying taxes to pay for the war.'   So we didn't win, the King of England gave up.

[penguins_dont_fly]

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@jennieaa wrote:

Just a little food for thought:  I read an English history book.  The Revolutionary War got one paragraph that finished some thing like ...'the people sued the King for peace because they were tired of paying taxes to pay for the war.'   So we didn't win, the King of England gave up.

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King George was broke. (The reason for the "tea tax")

Besides us upstarts, Britain  had also just finished "King George's War" (part of the war of Austrian Succession) and the Jacobite Uprising in Scotland

There was also the Seven years War (French and Indian War) and the Carnatic Wars in India

They were also fighting the Anglo-Mysore war (East India Tea Company) and the Anglo-Maratha War (also East India Tea)

The British people could not be squeezed any more ...