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Service Metrics Very High. Time to move

Ranting Warning!

 

Finally hit very high on services metrics today even though return rate is less than 5%. Since more than half of my stuff is less than 5 lb, migrating to other fix shipping rate platform actually helps me cutting down cost. 

The logic behind this metric is flawed. eBay is penalizing a percentage of their sellers base on a floating benchmark which means a seller with 0.01% return rate will still be considered very high if everyone else is at 0.001% level. 

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**bleep** True, seller service metrics is based on categories of peers groups, which make no sense to me too, some body file false SNAD and seller will be penalize for that.
2 : new buyers are not familiar with return system they use false reason to return it , because of new buyer mistake seller will be penalized.
3 : peer groups are based on category not location, the truth is sometimes no matter how good you pack if its glass or some other item it can damage by carrier, because of carrier mistake seller is penalizing.

eBay know that seller service metrics has flaws and so thats why they are going to give protection on false SNAD from oct 1st but eBay has to realize seller service metrics design needs also improvements.
solid example, i do sell some items where i do not have competitors then why that item return effect my seller service metrics??? because its based on comparison of other peer groups, so it has flaws.

Tip : i been suffered from this situation and solution is just to increase you inventory if you will increase inventory you will see seller service metrics rate will be decreased. no matter if someone agree with this but that is my personal experience. 

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The logic behind service metrics is perfect: it's designed to increase fees. Just a money grab and nothing more, so it's working perfectly.

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**general reply**

 

This isn't a comment on service metrics and if they're fair/correct/whatever. Frankly I don't think the return metrics are fair, because all count even if the buyer changes their mind or files a false SNAD.  And to be totally honest I can't tell you what exactly is involved in those metrics because at this point in time they're not an issue for me. (there I go again, talking out my backside about something I don't know about!)

 

My comment is that in the not so distant past, Ebay would just permaban sellers who's metrics (or standards or whatever else you want to call it) fell to below standard for a period of time.  Permaban. Period, the end. No coming back, ever. Sellers begged for something different, as a permaban really isn't fair to an otherwise good seller who was struggling for some reason.  Ebay came up with the increased fees while allowing the seller to continue to sell.

 

Apparently that's not acceptable?  As an Ebay seller, I'd much rather be allowed the opportunity to pull myself back up than to just be kicked out the door.

 

Just my two cents FWIW

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 eBay is penalizing a percentage of their sellers base on a floating benchmark which means a seller with 0.01% return rate will still be considered very high if everyone else is at 0.001% level. 

Did they provide you with specific detailed metrics of your "peers" in the specific categories you currently/used to sell to cover and explain your penalties and help you to get "better" metrics in the future?

 

Interesting reading about this issue...

https://community.ebay.com/t5/Selling/Seller-Metrics-The-new-cash-grab-SCAM-from-ebay/td-p/29741402

 

Good Luck wherever you go!

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@southern*sweet*tea  - that's a fair point, but I think your first paragraph actually points out how the Seller Metrics are different than other metrics which in the past would have lead to a permaban.  To me the big difference is what is being measured and against what is it being measured.

 

Other seller metrics (like tracking uploaded on time, seller initiated cancellations,  and transaction defect rate for example) are more related specifically to each individual seller and things they actually have some control over.  The terms of what is being measured are pretty well defined, whether or not you actually did something "wrong" is verifiable in reports, and for the most part your score card is being measured as a percentage of only your transactions.  The percentage eBay is looking for as far as above or below standard may still be a bit arbitrary, but at least it's not a moving target.  You know you have to hit a certain fixed number and you can figure out what you need to do to get there.  In that scenario, being allowed an opportunity to pull yourself up before being kicked to the door as you described may be a fair way to handle things.

 

The Service Metrics are a completely different situation, mostly because there is no transparency or visibility into who you are being compared against or where eBay gets their numbers.  In one category you might be OK with a 1.5% SNAD return rate, but in another category that is "very high".  One month that 1.5% might be average and a month or two later, that same 1.5% in the same category might be high, depending on how eBay shuffles the numbers based on a "peer group" that we have 0 insight into.

 

it's easy to say with some of the other metrics "the seller must be doing something wrong or struggling in some way to have negative results and they need to address those issues" but with the service metrics you simply can't make the assumption that "very high" means the seller has failed in some way or that there is actually anything the seller could address to improve the outcome.

 

We were targeted by a malicious scammer at the beginning of this year.  I won't get into the whole story here, but I do have a very lengthy thread on it if anyone is interested.  The relevant part is that due to that malicious scammer, in one month our SNAD return rate almost doubled. We didn't suddenly became a bad seller or have a problem fulfilling orders or anything else that would indicate a failure or struggle on our side, it was 100% the result of fraudulent returns.  Luckily we were able to still barely stay out of the "very high" rating, so we didn't incur the extra fees, but if we had not caught on and stopped sending orders to that scammer, it would have only taken a couple more false reports from him to stick us with the fee increase.  eBay refused to do anything to help.

 

That is just one example, but hopefully it illustrates how the Service Metrics don't necessarily measure anything helpful as far as actual seller performance.  To me the whole extra fees thing isn't a question of "what punishment fits the crime better (increased fees or permaban)?"  It's a question of "is there even any proof that a crime was actually committed (seller failure of some kind)?"

 

To charge sellers extra fees as a penalty when they haven't even done anything wrong and/or can't do anything to improve the outcome is wrong, no matter how you slice it.  For many sellers it could be the difference between their business staying open or shutting down, so in effect it may not really be much different than a permaban.

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@autopiacarcare wrote:

 

 

The Service Metrics are a completely different situation, mostly because there is no transparency or visibility into who you are being compared against or where eBay gets their numbers.  In one category you might be OK with a 1.5% SNAD return rate, but in another category that is "very high".  One month that 1.5% might be average and a month or two later, that same 1.5% in the same category might be high, depending on how eBay shuffles the numbers based on a "peer group" that we have 0 insight into.

 

it's easy to say with some of the other metrics "the seller must be doing something wrong or struggling in some way to have negative results and they need to address those issues" but with the service metrics you simply can't make the assumption that "very high" means the seller has failed in some way or that there is actually anything the seller could address to improve the outcome.

 

 


Ahhh, gotcha! Thanks for that explanation! That makes it a whole lot clearer.

 

And yeah, it does seem sketchy since there is no transparency in those metrics.  I wasn't aware that the target moved around like it did. Smiley Frustrated

 

I mean, I get what Ebay is TRYING to do...but it's not exactly the greatest way to do it.  But I still say it's a whole lot better than when they permabanned for DSRs, especially for very small sellers where one or two bad DSRs could take you out completely.

 

From one extreme to the other I guess. unamused

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