07-31-2020 01:49 PM
The eBay "protection" for sellers is an ABSOLUTE JOKE!!!
I've had lots and lots of cases now with COVID delays, firstly because eBay did NOTHING to change expectations for buyers of when items will arrive (the "estimated delivery" times were kept exactly as before for the location I post from (CZ, Europe), and although many buyers are understanding and wait longer, at least till the case expires, there's many who find in this the perfect excuse to get a freebie at my expense. Even though tracking clearly shows items are in transit.
The people working cases in eBay as trigger happy maniacs or I'm starting to think possibly they replaced them with robots altogether.
Because every time a buyer raises a case to customer support, despite my polite and lengthy explanations why their items are delayed, and often just days after the initial case was open, the next step is that within minutes or sometimes <1 minute I get the dreaded "We didn't receive valid proof of delivery from you" - of course not, because the item is still on its way!!!!
I can only say that eBay's reaction to COVID for sellers has just reinforced my opinion that eBay is making an absolutely mockery of its paying customers (sellers) by taking any advantage it can to screw their business and make their life difficult. I challenge anyone to prove me wrong.
By comparison, Ali Express that some say is a sub-par platform has applied a much more logical approach, by simply extending the "buyer protection" times significantly and not allowing buyers to make claims too soon, which would have been the no-brainer solution for eBay too. I am sure they have exact statistics of how long it takes nowadays during COVID for an item to arrive from country A to country B, but instead of using that and notifying buyers both before the purchase and after, they chose instead to take NO action (no doubt to "fool" buyers into buying and expecting items soon thus conserving their sales/revenues on the site), at the expense of the sellers.
Complete utter disregards and disgusting behavior, that's the only way I can call it, especially since in many cases, where the item(s) will not arrive within the 30 day window after a case is closed but later, there is 0 possibility for me as a seller to claim back or get the buyer to pay me when item(s) arrive, and lets face it, there are PLENTY of dishonest buyers out there that feel entitled to keep the item for free because it was delayed, happened to me quite a few times.
Does anybody feel protected on eBay as a seller, or more like predated on firstly by eBay with policies set out purely out of utter greed to keep their own pockets full, as well as by enabling dodgy buyers, many of which know VERY well how to take advantage and scam sellers, all with the "blessing" of eBay that takes a completely biased approached when dealing with sellers/buyers.
I just wonder until when can this nonsense continue and how come sellers are letting themselves get fleeced without taking further and hopefully coordinated action against this situation?
07-31-2020 02:11 PM
@semperstraps
If you're having a lot of INR cases filed, I'd stop shipping international until shipping gets better.
Everyone wants Ebay to protect them, but they don't want to do anything to protect themselves.
07-31-2020 02:13 PM
There is NO seller protection on e bay. I came to realise that a long time ago. All we can do is never list something we cannot afford to give away. It is what it is. Overall though I can say I have had a succesful run here.
07-31-2020 02:20 PM - edited 07-31-2020 02:21 PM
I live in Czech Republic. Less than 0.5% of my buyers are from Czech Republic. About 40% of purchases come from EU buyers, the rest a mix of mainly US, Canada, and a mix of many other countries.
I see you are turning it on myself, that I am doing something wrong...I am posting items on time, as soon as possible in most cases, and most go out with registered Prioripost, that comes with a tracking number too, that clearly shows when it departs from here, but right not the transit time is greatly increased, for example to AU/NZ, instead of the usual 2-3 weeks that it took to arrive, it now takes 6-8 weeks of even longer according to my estimates.
I did place big bright text on each of my listings, to warn buyers not to trust the disingenuous "estimated delivery date" shown by eBay, which given the context is a blatant lie of almost criminal nature, so what more can I do and what do you mean by "eBay wants to protect them"? Do you think its too unreasonable that they should have increased accordingly the estimated delivery dates, or was it not the only logical thing to do?
If I would have been located in the US and selling only or mostly to US sellers, than sure...happy days...although I am pretty certain even there you are experiencing some delays, I can see it while chasing on some of these open cases, from the time an item passed thru NYC sorting center or another, till the time its delivered to the buyer, it often takes 8-10 days, whereas before COVID it used to never take so long.
07-31-2020 02:28 PM
@frodobagginskennedy
Well, your reply is very philosophical but in reality it should not be as you say. A big company with all the levers on its side should not be allowed to make a mockery of its clients (sellers). If instead of getting resigned more sellers took some action, I am certain it would be different by now.
07-31-2020 02:36 PM
@semperstraps wrote:
I just wonder until when can this nonsense continue and how come sellers are letting themselves get fleeced without taking further and hopefully coordinated action against this situation?
There just is no seller protection outside of tracking for an INR.
Nothing.
It will only get better if ebay starts losing money or gets a CEO that actually knows what ebay is and does.
If ebay keeps making money this way it will continue to get worse and this company's revenue stream will morph itself into something else.
The board of directors absolutely do not care which as long as the money keeps flowing to the top.
07-31-2020 02:37 PM
@kensgiftshop
That's very easy to say and do if you are located in the same country as most of your buyers. I am located in CZ, EU, and my client-mix is something like 30-40% EU, 30-40% US, Canada, AU/NZ and the rest from all over the place. As for Czech Rep. itself, something like 0.2-0.3% of my clients only buy from CZ, that's all my "domestic shipping" customers 😀
The biggest issue is of course that eBay did NOT make adjustments to the buyer protection time combined with adjusting the estimated delivery date to what is realistic now during COVID, this change would have eliminated probably most of these problems me and I'm sure others are facing. Not only did the NOT do that, but it seems to me they are much fast now to dismiss a case in the favor of the buyer, despite the tracking numbers in place, and like I said I have a strong hunch there's some "automation" involved here or maybe some customer reps in India/Philippines or wherever which are instructed to click that "refund" button immediately without even reading/scanning for the info, message placed by seller, otherwise it would simply not be humanly possible to pickup the case, check it and then do the refund in <1minute which I did have recently happen to me, as I have instant notification on my phone for the emails that come thru and that's how long it took between getting "buyer escalated case to customer support" until "case was decided with a refund to the buyer"
07-31-2020 02:42 PM
We've lived it, so I didn't read your whole post, but... "Does anybody feel protected on eBay as a seller..." sure stuck out there as I skimmed it.
Nope. Not so much. You're one of us. Welcome!
07-31-2020 02:45 PM
@semperstraps wrote:The biggest issue is of course that eBay did NOT make adjustments to the buyer protection time combined with adjusting the estimated delivery date to what is realistic now during COVID,
Extend your handling time to give the item more time to get delivered.
If the items are being delivered two weeks late, change your handling time to 3 weeks, but ship as normal.
07-31-2020 03:36 PM
@kensgiftshop wrote:
@semperstraps
If you're having a lot of INR cases filed, I'd stop shipping international until shipping gets better.
Everyone wants Ebay to protect them, but they don't want to do anything to protect themselves.
I disagree - if eBay really wants to be seen as a global site, they need to ACT like a global site and pay attention to global issues that affect international shipping. eBay basically runs by mail order, and they're neglecting the basics. The site needs to work more with sellers.
07-31-2020 03:44 PM
I agree that this is a problem that Ebay should address. Our USPS website clearly tells people that the only guaranteed deliveries are Express shipments and that everything else may experience delays. We have had some her within the states get stalled at sorting facilities becuase they are having transportation issues due to COVID. The time in which a person can open a case for INR should be extended due to these circumstances. Right now you must call in and try to get an extension.
07-31-2020 03:46 PM
You know, that was one of the most intelligent replies about this ongoing issue.
07-31-2020 03:48 PM
Extending your handling time to 3 weeks is going to possibly nose dive sales as people want this stuff yesterday. LOL.
07-31-2020 03:51 PM
The board of director’s should be concerned about an issue like this. Orders that are promised at a specific time and that are habitually way off and not conducive to Ebay continuing to bring in customers who will come back. Most people just want to have an accurate time they can expect something.
08-01-2020 02:03 PM
Absolutely!
What eBay is doing now, and has been doing for years, is trading the long term potential of having a happy buyers + happy sellers environment against one where they trample on the sellers in every which way possible, one of which being the one discussed here, among a myriad of others.
I really lost hope any new CEO will make any significant change because as you say their eye is always on the money/profit alone, nothing else.