03-21-2018 05:22 PM
Here's the staight dope...
AMZ courts large sellers hard. It is hard for eBay to convince large sellers to spend time listing here. It takes a lot longer to list on Ebay, and more often than not the products take longer to sell, and/or they sell for less.
In contrast, AMZ hates the little guy. They don't want Joe Anybody listing the cheap pair of cheap clearance sneakers he found at Kohls, along with a bunch of other random stuff in his garage that he bought to flip. This should be eBay's opening to capitalize.
There are millions of Joes, and their money adds up. The problem is - this is not Joe Anybody's primary source of income. If he's not making at least $500 on every $1500 he sells, it's simply not worth his time. Sure, Joe could decide he's happy with $200 on every $1500 of sales if he can sell 3 times as much, but Joe does not have the time or capital for that. There is a more important factor at play however...
Joe does not want to cross the $20k tax threshold. He has no intention of having to deal with the government for his eBay business. Yes, yes, shame on Joe for his evil deeds here but without getting into the morality of it all, let's just face the music -Joe is probably in the majority of the small sellers regarding obligations to Uncle Sam.
If Joe can sell $18k at $9k profit a year, it's a nice little source of extra income. If Joe does $18k but at only $3k profit, he's making less than minimum wage for his effort. He doesn't want the tax hassle so he won't jist try to sell more to make up for the low margins.
It seems like eBay is doing whatever thay can to push Joe to sell at a miniscule profit. They tell him his price is too high if he lists it at anything but the lowest. They default his listings to best offer and hide it so he can't tell. He gets rid of the best offer and they automatically enable it again a few days later. Bootleg knockoffs are allowed to flood the site and will not be taken down if they are reported.
Joe decides he's done. EBay lost the large seller money, and now they've lost Joe and millions of other Joes like Joe. eBay decided the Joes weren't giving them enough sales. Now the Joes aren't giving them any sales.
It doesn't matter what eBay does now with short-term sales driving schemes. There is nothing they can do to make more money but convince the Joes to come back. I sincerely hope that this post finds it's way to an exec at eBay and sparks an "aha!" moment. I don't see a lot of hope for the site if things continue the way they are.
Improve the seller and buyer experience, gain membership - more items will be available and sales will grow organically. Otherwise eBay's future may be just a fire-sale acquisition of AMZ.
03-21-2018 06:25 PM
03-21-2018 06:43 PM
IMHO I'm sure many sellers named-pete-mary-bob-Karen -etc that sell on this site would be thrilled to be required to pay taxes on 20+ thousand sales a year.
03-21-2018 06:43 PM
03-21-2018 06:51 PM
@step_up_your_gamewrote:
Joe does not want to cross the $20k tax threshold. He has no intention of having to deal with the government for his eBay business. Yes, yes, shame on Joe for his evil deeds here but without getting into the morality of it all, let's just face the music -Joe is probably in the majority of the small sellers regarding obligations to Uncle Sam.
If Joe can sell $18k at $9k profit a year, it's a nice little source of extra income. If Joe does $18k but at only $3k profit, he's making less than minimum wage for his effort. He doesn't want the tax hassle so he won't jist try to sell more to make up for the low margins.
Joe might be in for an unpleasant surprise if he doesn't report that income below $20,000. All income is reportable and potentially taxable.
$20,000 is part of the requirement for PayPal (or other payment processors) to issue a 1099 to the account holder. It does not mean that the account holder is not required to report and pay taxes if he does not reach the $20K level for the 1099.
03-21-2018 06:54 PM - edited 03-21-2018 06:55 PM
@Anonymouswrote:
Ebay stock is down and falling,
eBay stock price, 2009-2018
03-21-2018 07:01 PM
03-21-2018 07:13 PM
“Joe does not want to cross the $20k tax threshold. He has no intention of having to deal with the government for his eBay business. Yes, yes, shame on Joe for his evil deeds here but without getting into the morality of it all, let's just face the music -Joe is probably in the majority of the small sellers regarding obligations to Uncle Sam.
If Joe can sell $18k at $9k profit a year, it's a nice little source of extra income. If Joe does $18k but at only $3k profit, he's making less than minimum wage for his effort. He doesn't want the tax hassle so he won't jist try to sell more to make up for the low margins. ”
So in your little narrative, Joe is a tax evader. Or do you not realize that $20k is just a threshold for receiving a 1099, not for having to report income?
03-21-2018 07:15 PM - edited 03-21-2018 07:19 PM
@richards*collectionwrote:
I saw on the news and by your graph that it is falling, today. But looks good, thanks.
Yes, and it has "fallen" many other times during the two-year climb from 24 in March 2016 up to 41 in March 2018. In that two years, the Dow is up 40% while eBay is up 70%.
03-21-2018 07:18 PM
Joe might be in for an unpleasant surprise if he doesn't report that income below $20,000. All income is reportable and potentially taxable.
$20,000 is part of the requirement for PayPal (or other payment processors) to issue a 1099 to the account holder. It does not mean that the account holder is not required to report and pay taxes if he does not reach the $20K level for the 1099.
I think they know that... they just accused most "Joe" sellers of being tax cheats.
I don't know if that's true or not, but I've never been near $20K in a year, and I declare everything, so that's not any barrier for me at least... however there are other issues that are in play that pretty much assure I'll stay under $20K.
03-21-2018 07:22 PM
Too bad there's no commission for every time you can type "Joe". It would be taxed though
03-21-2018 07:24 PM
@step_up_your_gamewrote:There are millions of Joes, and their money adds up. The problem is - this is not Joe Anybody's primary source of income. If he's not making at least $500 on every $1500 he sells, it's simply not worth his time. Sure, Joe could decide he's happy with $200 on every $1500 of sales if he can sell 3 times as much, but Joe does not have the time or capital for that. There is a more important factor at play however...
If Joe can sell $18k at $9k profit a year, it's a nice little source of extra income. If Joe does $18k but at only $3k profit, he's making less than minimum wage for his effort. He doesn't want the tax hassle so he won't jist try to sell more to make up for the low margins.
That's not an eBay problem, that's a problem with Joe spending too much to acquire his inventory. It's not even worth purchasing something to resell unless you can at least double what you spent on it.
03-21-2018 07:26 PM
@Anonymouswrote:
Ebay stock is down and falling
Is it that hard to read a graph?
03-21-2018 07:31 PM - edited 03-21-2018 07:35 PM
@yuzuhawrote:
It's not even worth purchasing something to resell unless you can at least double what you spent on it.
Selling two $500 items per week that you spent $300 on:
+$525.00 received
- $300.00 item cost
- 25.00 shipping cost
- $52.50 final value fees
- $15.53 PayPal fees
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$131.97 profit per item
x 104 items per year
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$13,724 in profit
That seems worth it for selling two items a week.
When it comes to determining whether your time is worth the income, I find that comparing the time to the income answers the question better than comparing the time to markup percentage.
03-21-2018 07:36 PM
I have had that happen, too. I had asked about damage on an item before purchasing, was told there was none, so I bought. After purchase, seller emails saying she found damage, details what it was (it was extensive) she will refund after I email her asking to cancel. I emailed her that I understood she was out of stock. She was indignant, she was not out of stock, she was selling her personal collection. I believe this was a TRS. I said, whether you are an individual or a business, if you cannot provide the item in the condition specified, then you are out of stock.
No response, but she refunded me.