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My Sales Tanked, And I Have A Theory

I've been selling for just about 2 years now. I found my niche, developed my business model, refined and worked it. I was doing about 2.5k per month in sales on about 150 listed items, with the usual variation - seasonal and otherwise. I had 100% feedback and repeat customers.

 

Ebay wanted Free Shipping, I give 'em free shipping. Ebay wants 1-day shipping. I give 'em "epic fast shipping" to quote one customer.  Ebay wants Free Returns, I give 'em free returns. Ebay wants Guaranteed Delivery, I give it to 'em. Whatever direction ebay wants to go in, I try to adapt and make it work. So far, so good.

 

So naturally, it was time to expand. As I sell mostly men's clothing, maybe 'summer slowdown' wasn't the best time to expand, but I increased my listings about 40 or 50 percent in July, and sales increased by about 35%. Right on target. I did the same in August, with good results. It was my best month on ebay. Now with the summer doldrums behind us and more listings than ever before in my store, September should continue the trend. Not so fast.

 

September saw a 25% decline in sales. October was equally bad, and November - which I anticipated as being the best month of the year - has so far been horrible. I'm currently on pace to equal my year-low January sales when I had less than half the items listed. I anticipate doing half the sales of August, or a 50% decline from that month. This is despite loading up with Christmas and winter items - the items that ebay (and common sense) - recommend.  

 

So what gives? I went crazy trying to pin down the reason. I tried listing on a regular basis. I tried binge listing. I kept my account constantly active. I lowered prices. I raised prices. I had sales. Nothing mattered. Am I still top-rated? Yeah. Is my return-rate too high? Ah, my returns are exceptionally low, especially with all the clothing I sell. Can't be that. Unresolved cases? Nope. In three little words, **bleep**?

 

Looking at my sales on a graphical plot, it was easy to see exactly when things began to tank, the inflection point so to speak. But that still made no sense. Now we all know that a platform like ebay is run by computer algorithms, and these are developed and manipulated toward one end - optimizing revenue from sellers. Nothing sinister about that. We all try to optimize revenue. 

 

Obviously, none of us know the details of how 'ebay' operates, but the generalities are there. We kinda all 'get it'.  For some reason, I was dumped into a lower priority 'bucket'. Sure, they give you the occasional 'off-the-charts' day, the same way a casino strings you along until you're just ready to walk away and cut your losses, and then you hit for a few hundred. And you come right back. Until you're broke. Sometimes I get the feeling that ebay is a casino and we're all just hangin in there waiting for a jackpot. 

 

I was going over my messages awhile back, and noticed an offer from ebay to upgrade my store to the next level up. I considered it, since I was paying for insertions each month, and it sorta made sense and I was planning on continuing the expansion. But the subscription fee was 3X what I was paying, so I had to think about it just a bit. Unfortunately, the deadline for the offer was August 28, and I didn't respond in time and the offer expired. 

 

My sales began to decline immediately after that date. Ebay simply dumped me into the 'not worth it' bucket. 

 

Thanks ebay. Two years of representing your company as best as I could, and winning customers with every sale. And in an instant, all that work is tossed into the 'screw you' bucket. Hey, it's your platform, if you think that's the optimum way to harvest revenue from your sellers, more power to ya. But I'm starting to agree with the naysayers - ebay is flailing around trying to compete with Amazon and the new kids, and flailing rhymes with failing, doesn't it.

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@maimaimai90 wrote:
I have no idea when that postal agreement will be renegotiated. I just know that it's extremely punitive to US sellers, and the president very forcefully stated that changing it will be a top priority, in addition to renegotiating the agreement with Amazon. In the case of Amazon, the USPS very often delivers the package in the very expensive last mile to your door, and Amazon has had the benefit of a sweet deal from the USPS.

I have no idea what USPS's deal with Amazon it, and neither do you, nor probably the President, who fails to understand the rules and regulations of the Universal Postal Union.  His suggestion that the US pull out of the UPU would likely kill nearly all international sales as each country would be free to establish their own rules and rates for mail coming from the USA.    Having worldwide conventions to deal with mail is extremely beneficial in most cases.  Having 192 bilateral deals on international mail would be a disaster.

 

I do not disagree that USA sellers are at a disadvantage in competing with Chinese sellers due to postal rates, one reason I do not try to compete with them.

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Why is it you all need to force help where it is not asked for?? I know how ebay works and definitely know what ebay has said they are doing and BTW there have been items shown to ebay that ebay could not find in the searches either...which is because they do not show all the item regarless of the search...just like the user agreement says.

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@paulhua3 wrote:

@maimaimai90 wrote:
I have no idea when that postal agreement will be renegotiated. I just know that it's extremely punitive to US sellers, and the president very forcefully stated that changing it will be a top priority, in addition to renegotiating the agreement with Amazon. In the case of Amazon, the USPS very often delivers the package in the very expensive last mile to your door, and Amazon has had the benefit of a sweet deal from the USPS.

I have no idea what USPS's deal with Amazon it, and neihter do you, nor probably the President, who fails to understand the rules and regulations of the Universal Postal Union.  His suggestion that the US pull out of the UPU would likely kill nearly all international sales as each country would be free to establish their own rules and rates for mail coming from the USA.    Having worldwide conventions to deal with mail is extremely beneficial in most cases.  Having 192 bilateral deals on international mail would be a disaster.

 

I do not disagree that USA sellers are at a disadvantage in competing with Chinese sellers due to postal rates, one reason I do not try to compete with them.


Amazon does get discounted rates but also pays out of pocket millions of dollars and people do know how much since it was all reported in the media. As well as how much more they will be paying if and when all this happens. It is not a secret. You can always google it.

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Whatever.   The only listings I have had trouble finding are those in a white font on a white background.

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@everything-from-trinkets-to-treasures wrote:



Amazon does get discounted rates but also pays out of pocket millions of dollars and people do know how much since it was all reported in the media. As well as how much more they will be paying if and when all this happens. It is not a secret. You can always google it.


No doubt they get discounted rates.  Exactly what deal they get and what it might be changed to has not been reported so your statement is false. 

 

It is important to note that a huge proportion of Amazon packages are deposited at the delivery post office of the recipient so there is much less handling by usps than for most packages. When I send a package to NY from Washington usps carries it across country to deliver it.  When the same buyer in NY buys the same item from Amazon, it likely gets deposited by Amazon at a post office in NY.  So why wouldn't that be cheaper to send?

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@paulhua3 wrote:

@everything-from-trinkets-to-treasures wrote:



Amazon does get discounted rates but also pays out of pocket millions of dollars and people do know how much since it was all reported in the media. As well as how much more they will be paying if and when all this happens. It is not a secret. You can always google it.


No doubt they get discounted rates.  Exactly what deal they get and what it might be changed to has not been reported so your statement is false. 

 

It is important to note that a huge proportion of Amazon packages are deposited at the delivery post office of the recipient so there is much less handling by usps than for most packages. When I send a package to NY from Washington usps carries it across country to deliver it.  When the same buyer in NY buys the same item from Amazon, it likely gets deposited by Amazon at a post office in NY.  So why wouldn't that be cheaper to send?


Why would you compare what you do to what Amazon does or Amazon sellers do, which are not all identical by the way and doesn't prove anything.  And there are plenty of sellers on Amazon that ship just like the rest of us. There are even sellers on ebay that have multiple locations.warehouses etc and can ship from a closer warehouse or location to a buyer...even in the same cities as a buyer sometimes
You are making generalized statement that are incorrect.

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...there are plenty of sellers on Amazon that ship just like the rest of us."

 

And they pay exactly the same rates we do. Only FBA items get discounted rates.

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@paulhua3 wrote:

...there are plenty of sellers on Amazon that ship just like the rest of us."

 

And they pay exactly the same rates we do. Only FBA items get discounted rates.


This too is incorrect. There are businesses there just like here that  have negotiated their own rates and/or get bigger discounts based on volume...and where they get their postage. And not every one ebay or Amazon or anywhere else is locked into using labels on those sites for that reason.
We even have the ability to have fedex and UPS accounts which give us greater discounts and do not have to print those lables off any of those sites either.

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@paulhua3

The best post in a long time. Some will argue and make up any story they can to have reasoning in their minds that is it Ebay's fault buyers don't want their stuff. When there are thousands of listings of course they won't all be shown. It wouldn't matter anyway because there is not a single person the the world who would search thousands of items. If the person was serious about finding out the truth that buyers see their stuff, all they would have to do is list 10 items of their over-priced stuff for $1 each and watch them sell within minutes.

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@coolections wrote:

@paulhua3

The best post in a long time. Some will argue and make up any story they can to have reasoning in their minds that is it Ebay's fault buyers don't want their stuff. When there are thousands of listings of course they won't all be shown. It wouldn't matter anyway because there is not a single person the the world who would search thousands of items. If the person was serious about finding out the truth that buyers see their stuff, all they would have to do is list 10 items of their over-priced stuff for $1 each and watch them sell within minutes.


There was a time where buyers did search through thousands of listings and had a great time doing it and when selling was good. It was all part of why buyers came to ebay. That all has been taken away from buyers over the years and with those buyers went our sales. Now we have sales only of ebay decides our listing willbe visible and if by change it is to a real buyer. And ebay has taken choices away from buyers and now decides what a buyer should see and buy even if it isn't want they search for.
Ebay killed the fun aspect of buying here for buyers and lost a lot of buyers in the process...our buyers.

 

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@moms**art**window** wrote:
not complaining but after a real long long time of 0 or nothing to speak of,all of a sudden sales,4 in a row it's interesting all right kinda like a casino no rhyme or reason anyone else?

It's not unusual.  Ever sold at a flea market?  Sometimes there's a crowd at your table, other times no one in the aisle.

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I see everything you have listed and the items are all on a single page so nothing is hidden. The user agreement that you want to twist the facts about is for those selling clothes and such with hundreds of pages. No, 10 years ago buyers did not spend days searching thousands of items. The train you've listed 5 times sells for a little more than half of what you're asking. Go ahead and keep blaming Ebay. There are millions of buyers and lots of happy sellers getting sales.

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They not only lost us a great amount of buyers and replaced them with buyers that were banned (for good reasons) and with buyers of the cheap stuff everyone complains about but they also lost a huge number of sellers and with them their buyers and replaced them with the sellers of counterfeits and knockoffs etc.
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@coolections wrote:

I see everything you have listed and the items are all on a single page so nothing is hidden. The user agreement that you want to twist the facts about is for those selling clothes and such with hundreds of pages. No, 10 years ago buyers did not spend days searching thousands of items. The train you've listed 5 times sells for a little more than half of what you're asking. Go ahead and keep blaming Ebay. There are millions of buyers and lots of happy sellers getting sales.


Again the user agreement is simply written and clear. Nothing twisted. I copied it word for word and unlike some others I did not add anything too it.

I also said I was not in need of your help so multiple times so I do not understand why you are so focused on pushing that or going through my listings. It is not proving anything, that is for sure.

But note you just got done saying in another post to another member that ebay isn't showing all the listings, so you are now also contradicting yourself. 😉

And BTW you do not see all my listings, so you are very much incorrect again...you see the listings I currently have listed on this account.
You are making a lot of asumptions that you really should not be making.

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@coolections wrote:

I see everything you have listed and the items are all on a single page so nothing is hidden. The user agreement that you want to twist the facts about is for those selling clothes and such with hundreds of pages. No, 10 years ago buyers did not spend days searching thousands of items. The train you've listed 5 times sells for a little more than half of what you're asking. Go ahead and keep blaming Ebay. There are millions of buyers and lots of happy sellers getting sales.


No one ever said anywhere in this post that there were not happy buyers or sellers on ebay so I am not sure what point you are trying to make. No one said whether we were happy or unhappy. You keep interjecting that into things when it was never said.
And for some reason you seen to have an issue with the facts and people discussing the facts and real issues we have and have had. No one claimed to be happy or unhappy. We are discussing real life issue that exist that we deal with on a daily basis.
No one asked for help or for you to look at their accounts to give pricing advice or to do anything at all.
We were just having a very good general discussion and for some reason you have a problem with that.

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