06-24-2022 09:34 AM
How do others deal with the improper estimated deliver dates that eBay provides to its buyer?
My dilemma is that I sell low cost decals/stickers. Because of that, I use "economy shipping" a stamp and envelope with no tracking. If I were to purchase a shipping method with tracking, many of the items I sell would result in me actually paying more than I received on the sale or only pennies of a profit. I've accepted that it's a risk that buyers can turn around and claim they never received an item for which I'd be required to issue a refund or receive an infraction and forced a refund. But the pathway that the buyers have for that, is where the problem lies.
The main issue is that eBay is telling the buyer that they'll receive the item anywhere from 1-6 business days, despite me choosing "economy shipping 1-10 business days". It gives the buyer a false expectation of when they'll receive the item. The buyer then thinks the seller isn't fulfilling their part of the transaction if they don't receive it in a handful of days. For one, economy shipping will never arrive overnight, so using 1-10 business days is already completely misleading. Secondly, USPS, themselves, state that this method of shipping is estimated to arrive between 3-10 business days but that it's not a guarantee and can take longer in some instances. Why then, is eBay misleading the customer, thus setting sellers up for failure?
I, 100% of the time ship orders out the day it's received or the next business day. However, the estimated delivery dates have resulted in me receiving several opened cases against me for item not received, before they even reach that 10-business day threshold. Fortunately, I've been able to reach most of those buyers and explain the situation, which results in them understanding and giving it a couple of more days to where they receive their order.
But, what happens when you can't reach the buyer to explain the situation? The latest one is for an item not received just 6 business days after purchasing it. The buyer will not respond to my attempts at communications, 3 messages and two voicemails. So, in the end, I'll be left with having to provide a refund or receive an infraction and forced a refund. The kicker is that the time that I've been given to resolve the case would take it to 9 business days from their purchase, which means, I'll have to refund the buyer for an item not received when it hasn't even been a full 10 business days, which is the estimated shipping time that I specifically choose when setting my listings. So, the buyer will receive the refund and still likely receive their product after the case has been resolved, thus providing the buyer with free product.
I've spoken to eBay and suggested the following: (Which I know they'll never change)
(1) Estimated shipping times should be based on the actual USPS estimated delivery of the type of shipping you're using. (Economy, for instance, should estimate 3-10 business days to the customer with a footnote stating that it's still just an estimate and not a guarantee)
(2) Buyers should not be able to open a case against a buyer for item not received until it's been at least 1 week past the ETA. We all know how inconsistent the USPS is, so proving that window would allow the buyer a fair chance at their customer receiving the item prior to them actually being able to open a case.
(3) If a buyer opens a case against a seller and the seller has documented proof of trying to communicate in order to resolve the matter, yet the buyer does not respond, the case should automatically be closed in the seller's favor.
The above parameters would not eliminate the fraudulent buyer who knows how to manipulate the system for free product and their refund, but again, I've accepted that there will be a small percentage of those. What it will help with, however, is to eliminate those false expectations to the buyer and prevent cases from being opened up prior to an adequate amount of time passing for the item to be received. In many of the cases opened against me for item not received, the buyer ends up receiving the item within just a few days later.
This isn't a case of me being upset at any particular negative feedback incident, as I currently have 100% feedback, but a lot of that has to do with me having to track down these buyers who open cases and plea with them to realize this isn't a seller issue.
Anyone else selling low-cost items that have to deal with this and if so, how do you handle it? Any others with suggestions that can help?
06-24-2022 09:43 AM
What is your listed handling time, 1 day? Adjusting your handling time by 5 business days but still shipping within 24 hours might help. It will lengthen the estimated delivery date accordingly and give you a cushion.
06-24-2022 10:04 AM
Yes, 1-day handling time. Not sure if true, but I've read some state that handling time doesn't always change the ETA and the ETA's are based off of your history.
I fear changing it to a longer handling time will result in a loss of sales. I guess it can't be any worse than ultimately giving away a free product though. Just wish eBay would actually be fairer to their sellers, as they're completely misleading buyers.
06-24-2022 10:54 AM
@gil-t-designs wrote:Yes, 1-day handling time. Not sure if true, but I've read some state that handling time doesn't always change the ETA and the ETA's are based off of your history.
I fear changing it to a longer handling time will result in a loss of sales. I guess it can't be any worse than ultimately giving away a free product though. Just wish eBay would actually be fairer to their sellers, as they're completely misleading buyers.
Why.. You stated yourself that you want ebay to give out more accurate delivery times?
06-24-2022 11:03 AM
@gil-t-designs wrote:
Anyone else selling low-cost items that have to deal with this and if so, how do you handle it? Any others with suggestions that can help?
I also sell sticker/decals, along with embroidered patches that can also go as a stamped envelope.
BUT I ship them using a first class package ($3 and change) with tracking (and apparently a speedier delivery time than yours) and I price them accordingly to cover the cost of the postage.
I do not have any of the problems you iterate. Nor do I have the stress and wasted time of dealing with the buyers as you have described.
Bear in mind that without tracking your service metrics (uploaded and delivered on time) suffer.
Maybe you should just rethink your business model.
06-24-2022 11:08 AM
Yes, more accurate delivery times. Stating that I take 5 business days to ship something when I actually ship it within 1 day, is not accurate and makes it look like I'm slow to ship orders out. I realize that's probably the only alternative, currently, but it's not a solution and looks bad on the seller, just as inaccurate delivery times do.
06-24-2022 11:21 AM
Appreciate your reply, but I just looked and the stickers you sell are not the same type of stickers that I sell. You're not comparing apples to apples. Respectfully, that would be like saying all baseball cards sold on eBay are the same. I sell die cut vinyl decals, which because of the hundreds of competing sellers on eBay, have to be listed for under $5 and most are under $4. With the average first class package under 4oz costing $3.85 from my Zip Code, that just isn't possible to ship with tracking. It's not my business model, as you suggest. It's eBay's method of misleading buyers into thinking they're going to receive something sooner than what the seller uses as a shipping method.
06-24-2022 11:24 AM - edited 06-24-2022 11:27 AM
I'm fed up with ebay's garbage estimated delivery dates as well. They just ignore our shipping policies altogether. I ship my my movies, music, and books with media mail, which is up to 9 business days. Yet, ebay lies to all my buyers with junk delivery estimates, and I've had so many INR's opened in the past over this issue I've lost count.
Ebay forces me to ship all my orders within 24 hours, despite having a 3 day handling time.
I have an order right now that wont arrive on time, like usual.
Changing your handling times or methods of shipping wont help either, ebay doesn't care.
06-24-2022 11:39 AM
I see no problem with the estimated delivery dates. I see June 29th to July 5th which is plenty of time even using just stamps. Don't worry, you will be fine.
06-24-2022 12:01 PM
That's the exact issue though. You're seeing that it will be delivered by July 5 at the latest, which is only 7 business days from the day of purchase. I select "economy shipping" which even by eBay's estimates when listing the items, estimates up to 10 business days. But then they turn around and tell the buyer something completely different. Unfortunately, it's not fine, as you're saying, because I have to continuously deal with INR cases, only for the buyer to receive the item a few days after they open the case. If eBay gave proper estimates, the cases wouldn't be opened up so frequently.
06-24-2022 12:02 PM
Thanks for the reply. You understand since you use another "economy" method of shipping. eBay is so into wanting to compete with the other sites out there with their 2-day shipping and such, they're completely hanging us sellers out to dry.
06-24-2022 01:17 PM - edited 06-24-2022 01:20 PM
@gil-t-designs wrote:Just wish eBay would actually be fairer to their sellers, as they're completely misleading buyers.
IMHO eBay has made it pretty clear that they want sellers to use tracking and that items without tracking are not a good fit for eBay.
@gil-t-designs wrote:
If a buyer opens a case against a seller and the seller has documented proof of trying to communicate in order to resolve the matter, yet the buyer does not respond, the case should automatically be closed in the seller's favor.
The buyer already communicated when he filed the dispute. I doubt eBay is going to void the money back guarantee simply because a seller wants a second message from the buyer.
06-24-2022 02:16 PM
If you cannot get a package from June 24th delivered by July 5th you are doing something really wrong. Believe me, it will be delivered by July 5th. Relax and go to the beach, enjoy the summer.
06-24-2022 02:40 PM
Maybe you can put in the listing description "MAY TAKE 2 WEEKS TO ARRIVE, EBAY'S DATES ARE ONLY ESTIMATES".
06-24-2022 02:50 PM
Are you seriously suggesting that the seller is doing something wrong, when they drop off a package the same day it's ordered, yet the post office doesn't deliver it in 7 business days? How is that the seller's fault, exactly? If you don't understand that the seller isn't the one actually delivering the item, you shouldn't respond to a thread like this.