eBay

giusdema_48 · ‎07-19-2021

A follow-up thread on something I posted up before.

I agreed to follow the seller into doing an off eBay transaction and my stupidity cost me my camera and the price. I am by no means defending what I did and it was a huge absent-minded behavior. I was not trying to scam eBay. And I got in contact with eBay customer service and reported myself and I was not penalized.

However, the part that irked me was when I asked if any action was going to be taken against the seller and the representative said "no." And the annoying part is because you can only report and leave reports people who buy from you, people like the seller can continually get away with their actions and still have 1000+ five star feedback.

The system needs to change where we can report people who we dont purchase from. Granted, you're saying "if you follow the rules." I know. But that doesn't mean people are free to take advantage of other people and this is the same reason why my friends do not go on eBay even though I love this website because these scammers float around and do w/e they want.

releasethekraken_1 · ‎07-19-2021

@mtgraves7984 wrote:

Don't you see the irony here? If it's against eBay's rules... why in the world would they implement sanctions against it?

I've read this multiple times, and I must not understand what you're saying. The OP broke the rules, but didn't know it at the time. The seller who scammed them knew they were breaking the rules, but you don't think there should be sanctions against that?

Please enlighten me. Why would eBay not implement sanctions against behavior that breaks the rules?

fab_finds4u · ‎07-19-2021

I believe neither of you are punished by eBay because making the payment was something that occured while you two were not on eBay. I don't believe eBay can punish a seller for something that didn't physically happen here.

*madison · ‎07-19-2021

On your original thread you said the scammers payment bounced.

What type of payment method did you accept?

Just curious.

@giusdema_48

gracieallen01 · ‎07-19-2021

@mtgraves7984 wrote:
"But eBay says what they did is against rules but they dont provide a way to hold this person accountable..."

@giusdema_48

Don't you see the irony here? If it's against eBay's rules... why in the world would they implement sanctions against it?

It's time to put this one to bed... good luck to you moving forward.

But, they implement sanctions against fee avoidance (which is against ebay rules) by charging everybody a FVF on shipping. I guess it may only count when it effects the profit line?

Not saying 'NO' doesn't mean 'YES'.

The foolishness of one's actions or words is determined by the number of witnesses.

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nuclearomen · ‎07-19-2021

@fab_finds4u wrote:
I believe neither of you are punished by eBay because making the payment was something that occured while you two were not on eBay. I don't believe eBay can punish a seller for something that didn't physically happen here.

@fab_finds4u
Offering to buy or sell outside of eBay policy

The great truth is there isn't one
And it only gets worse since that conclusion...
...There is something about the rigid posture of a proper, authentic blind
As if extended arms reached to pass his blindness onto others.

isatwin74 · ‎07-19-2021

Op says the the buyers payment bounced and that they had already shipped the item. Op is the seller here who allowed a buyer to take the transaction off of eBay. The buyer told the op the buy it now button was not working.

nuclearomen · ‎07-19-2021

@isatwin74 wrote:
Op says the the buyers payment bounced and that they had already shipped the item. Op is the seller here who allowed a buyer to take the transaction off of eBay. The buyer told the op the buy it now button was not working.

got it, I actually went back and re-read his post but I got side tracked by posting the outside sales policy

The great truth is there isn't one
And it only gets worse since that conclusion...
...There is something about the rigid posture of a proper, authentic blind
As if extended arms reached to pass his blindness onto others.

caldreamer · ‎07-19-2021

I am sorry to hear that you got scammed. You seem like a really nice person. I am very surprised that EBAY would "do nothing" and allow these scammers to continue.

releasethekraken_1 · ‎07-19-2021

@caldreamer wrote:
I am sorry to hear that you got scammed. You seem like a really nice person. I am very surprised that EBAY would "do nothing" and allow these scammers to continue.

There's no way for any of us to know if eBay did "nothing". eBay wouldn't tell the OP if they had taken any action against the seller.

mtgraves7984 · ‎07-20-2021

@releasethekraken_1 wrote:
@mtgraves7984 wrote:

Don't you see the irony here? If it's against eBay's rules... why in the world would they implement sanctions against it?
I've read this multiple times, and I must not understand what you're saying. The OP broke the rules, but didn't know it at the time. The seller who scammed them knew they were breaking the rules, but you don't think there should be sanctions against that?

Please enlighten me. Why would eBay not implement sanctions against behavior that breaks the rules?

@releasethekraken_1

My reply was to the OP's statement (referencing the buyer)>> "But eBay says what they did is against rules but they dont provide a way to hold this person accountable..."

Agreed that the seller is in the wrong... it was even admitted to in the OP's thread on 7/9. (Note that the OP is "the seller who scammed them.") You are correct... the seller (OP) could be sanctioned.... but the buyer (whose payment bounced)

has no footprint on eBay.

With that in mind, I was pointing out (to the OP)... How can eBay hold the faceless buyer accountable?

releasethekraken_1 · ‎07-20-2021

@mtgraves7984 wrote:
@releasethekraken_1 wrote:
@mtgraves7984 wrote:

Don't you see the irony here? If it's against eBay's rules... why in the world would they implement sanctions against it?
I've read this multiple times, and I must not understand what you're saying. The OP broke the rules, but didn't know it at the time. The seller who scammed them knew they were breaking the rules, but you don't think there should be sanctions against that?

Please enlighten me. Why would eBay not implement sanctions against behavior that breaks the rules?
@releasethekraken_1

My reply was to the OP's statement (referencing the buyer)>> "But eBay says what they did is against rules but they dont provide a way to hold this person accountable..."

Agreed that the seller is in the wrong... it was even admitted to in the OP's thread on 7/9. (Note that the OP is "the seller who scammed them.") You are correct... the seller (OP) could be sanctioned.... but the buyer (whose payment bounced)
has no footprint on eBay.

With that in mind, I was pointing out (to the OP)... How can eBay hold the faceless buyer accountable?

Thanks. It would have helped if the OP hadn't repeatedly referred to the other person as "the seller".

dogchow747 · ‎07-20-2021

I missed part one, sorry.

The only recourse I know of is the possibility of reporting it to the police.

If it falls under the category of theft, you may get some relief.

ittybitnot · ‎07-20-2021

The system needs to change where we can report people who we dont purchase from.

@giusdema_48

You are correct, in that there is no place on the site to report a "text me" scammer or "change of address" scammer UNLESS they are your buyer of record. At least if you accept a regular offer, and THEN find out it is just a text me scammer, you will have an item number necessary to report.

We used to have a "report this message" feature right on the eBay message for this sort of thing. eBay removed it a couple of years ago saying it was no longer necessary since their high tech anti fraud software would prevent these things from even landing in your inbox in the first place.

Even though that "algorithm" is a total failure, eBay has no intention of replacing the "report this message" feature. It always seemed to me that eBay just doesn't want to be bothered. I wonder sometime how many 'reports' they would receive the first hour should they allow us to report the messages again.

maxine*j · ‎07-20-2021

@giusdema_48 wrote:
... But in my mind, if something is agains then rules, that means there are consequences against it, if there is no action against someone breaking the rules, then it's not a rule, it's a highly suggested behavior...

if eBay says to me, someone who makes this offer can be reported, but I can't report them, then I can't do anything.

You broke a rule by taking the transaction off-eBay. The consequence is that you have no recourse with eBay in regards to your loss of money, time, energy, patience, you-name-it. It was not a suggestion from eBay not to engage in a certain behavior; it was a rule.

I'm not unsympathetic. And, as often the case in life, the situation is not altogether fair. There were two rule-breakers and only one was punished.

We've all made lousy decisions and had to live with the results. But the best thing you can do take responsibility for the screw-up, learn from it, and move along. You've nailed the first two!

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