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‎10-30-2017 12:49 AM
Like many of us, I go to yard sales, estate sales, estate auctions, flea markets, and occasionally second hand stores to source my inventory.
I am in my mid twenties and have been "flipping" since I was 13, taking after my father, who is "old school" and doesn't really do eBay, he sets up at flea markets.
When I first started going to auctions with my father, when I was about 8 or 9, he used to come home with an entire truckfull of stuff, not just junk, good quality stuff he could often double if not triple what he paid for it.
Fast forward a few years later and these TV shows like American Pickers, Pawnstars, Storage wars, etc put a huge wrench into the works.
You had people going out trying to earn a living and had little idea what they were doing. They followed TV, but let's be honest..TV is far from reality.
A lot of people who had been going to auctions beforehand could be narrowed into two groups: antique dealers and part-time eBay sellers. Part-time sellers had regular jobs, so they didn't buy as much stuff, they didn't have as much time to list things. Antique dealers bought well...antiques...so this left a huge list of things to make money on. Computers, electronics, trading cards, etc.
When the economy crashed in 2008, it become worse, because you had people literally trying to earn a living selling on eBay. Now granted, their were "full timers" beforehand, but not nearly as many.
Getting back to a "wrench in the works"...these people were desperate to earn a buck, and soon it became harder to make any money. To them, it was either buy a $100 item for 85 bucks and make $15, or go home broke, so profit margins soon started to evaporate.
That is when I received a huge upper-hand...a smartphone. I was one of the first people to have one that went to auctions and other events. It was 2010 and I became old enough to start selling on my own. The "low-hanging fruit" things like old toys, antiques, etc always went for more than it was worth messing with. I started looking at the odd and unusual. Stuff I had never seen before. Often, it was as easy as typing model numbers in. I remember buying some kind of computer for a John Deere combine. I got it for $5, I sold it in 3 days for $950. Then a week later, got a $500 widget for $20.
For the next 3 years, I quit working. I could turn more in a week than I could working a crummy dead-end minimum-wage job. I was hooked.
But that ended pretty soon. About 2 years ago. While the smartphone giveth, the smartphone although taketh away. I used to do quite well at estate sales with unusual stuff. If they couldn't find in in 5 minutes on eBay, they used to give up. But now they could just whip out their smartphone and can find it.
Estate sales became an utter joke. They idiotically never realized selling something in front of 100 people is a lot harder than when you have 100 million buyers. People aren't going to stand in line an hour, and give eBay prices or more. Of course...the next day when everything was half off, all the "good stuff" magically sold. Imagine that. The truth was.. the estate sale companies had their own eBay.
Auctions have become worse too. I live in the Midwest and you have retired farmers, ranch hands, etc with money coming out of their ears. Supposedly 63% of Americans can't come up with $500 in cash if their life depended on it, buy boy..you sure as heck would think otherwise at an auction.
As a matter of fact...of the past 12 auctions I've been too...I could buy stuff on eBay and sell it at an auction and make money, if they didn't charge 35-40% in fees.
The weird thing is....if you ask one of these people who didn't win the bid on something at a local auction if they would like to buy one you have, they won't. You would not believe how many times I've seen two old people run each other up to $100 on something, and I ask the non-winning bidder "Hey, I have one for $50, wanna buy it?" I have had this happen countless times, never had someone take me up on it.
Anyway..times are a changin'. Good quality estate auctions and estate sales that aren't insanely price are getting harder to find. People my age don't really collect stuff, and while I'm sure it's a generational thing, people my age range don't really have the money to collect things, and beyond that, so many people have collected stuff in the 70's and 80's, it will be a long time before that stuff becomes super-valueable. Try getting money out of a 1987 box of baseball cards. 30 years old and worth didly squat.
So in the next 20 years....a lot of people who collect will be dead. Just look at the market on a lot of stuff between the past 20 years. Stuff that was worth $500 in the 90's MIGHT sell for $50 today. Porcelain, glass and china took a huge hit along with other categories.
It will be interesting to see what the future of flipping holds.
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‎10-30-2017 05:56 AM - edited ‎10-30-2017 06:00 AM
I agree for the most part with the OP, but there are a couple of points that I can disagree with, because a lot of categories don't work the same as the rest of the genres.
Stuff is getting harder to find, some of the reasons were stated, but I believe that a lot of the older stuff is disappearing because we are running out of the stock being owned by the original owners.
I collected and resold vintage clothing for years and this area is filled with it, but back in the 80s, the 40s and 50s stuff was a lot more common than today. Simply because the people that owned the 40s and 50s stuff were dying in the 70s and 80s and in a lot of cases, the family members got a dumpster and tossed it. Or got an estate or auction company that didn't see the value in piles of stuff and junked it rather than lower the quality of their sale.
Especially from the 90s up. In the 80/90s the first real generation that never had to scrimp and save from the depression and wars never saved their stuff, choosing instead to throw it away every few years and buy new. So there are few heirlooms surviving past the 80s and 90s. And what does appear should be trendy or the people spending big money will not pay attention to it.
I have collected comics since the 70s and have watched the genre explode and implode and I bought and invested smart at the time and figured that they would be my retirement as I could watch a $100 investment bring $1,000 in a year, and the quality titles kept their value.
Back in the day most collectors were completist, wanting to get every appearance of their favorite titles and characters. But as time went on the genre evolved from actual collecting to picking up what was trendy now amd moving on to the next trendy thing. Many of my comics which were key issues worth lots of money back in the day, have little to no interest or value unless a movie comes out.
Trendy has become the norm for reselling vintage and antiques today and the secret to success isn't knowing the top 40 selling items and paying any amount to get them, but recognizing the quality and still desireable stuff that is under the top 40 that you can pick up cheap because the cell phone wannabes are fighting over top 40. And also being able to recognize the coming trends and cornering the market before your competition jumps on the bandwagon.
I avoided estate sales or years because they just charged too much, preferring to pick up the left overs at the half off sales. But I just hit one over the weekend (a friend has an estate sale business and I support her) and was humored by a known dealer in the area in the vintage clothing genre who will waltz into a sale and totally ignore perfectly good stuff and overpay for a designer item (and will often complain if she arrive a few hours after opening and the items she is interested in that was in the ad isn't there anymore for her to buy) and leave awesome items because she can't sell them for at least $50. D'uh She paid $100 for one item that she might be able to sell for $125 and left a dozen items that I bought for $2.50 each that I can sell for at least $40 each. Same items, different selling attitude.
But that is an attidue I am seeing a lot lately. Dealers that are not willing to do a little work to make money, preferring to pay more to buy perfect items that they can put on the shelf or list immediately and I am willing to pick up their leavings of damaged or common items and sew on a button, or clean an item or steam a hat back into shape and make less money per item, but make a ton more profit. And it is the profit that is the most important part about the business of selling.
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‎10-30-2017 06:02 AM
I am with OP dad, I am a flea marketer. I empty my whole truck in a few hours and I have no worries about shipping and returns. I have been buying storage units and attending sit down auctions for over 30 years. Started ebay Feb 1998. Loved It. Quickly learned that flakes are worldwide!! And while the internet provided a worldwide audience, suddenly things rare in my town were widely available online. I made my living for many years selling on ebay. Still keep a few things listed but much prefer the flea market. What I have learned is that the buying crowd wants NEW things. Not cool vintage or antique. And yes everyone has become a seller with all the free FB groups, etc.
I hate the morning crowd of estate sale buyers who are wound way to tight for my liking and I hit the same sale at the end of the day for box lots and find most of my inventory that actually sells. PEOPLE BUY WHAT THEY NEED NOW. THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX. YOU MAKE YOUR MONEY WHEN YOU BUY.
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‎10-30-2017 06:03 AM
I agree with Rose. I used to be able to spend 5K a month on Ebay buying my vintage collectibles. I'm hard pressed to find 1K a month that is worth buying. Some of that comes more damaged because there are more people in my category who don't know what they're doing.
I think my inventory is sitting in private collections across the country. My only hope is it comes back out and doesn't just get thrown in the dumpster when the owners die or go into homes.
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‎10-30-2017 06:25 AM
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‎10-30-2017 06:31 AM
Suddenly everyone with a junk pile wanted top dollar.
Reproduction junk and counterfeits from China doesn't help either.
I've learned to pick the off the wall stuff, the ugly stuff ect. If I can't find it on eBay, I want it.
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‎10-30-2017 06:37 AM
"I've learned to pick the off the wall stuff, the ugly stuff ect. If I can't find it on eBay, I want it"
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Same here.
It's not that it's harder to find inventory... it's hard to find the right type of inventory.
I've had antique booths the last few years, and what sold a year or two ago, won't anymore.
I see a lot of stock at the thrift stores, so much a lot of it get thrown in the dumpster.
You used to be able to resell almost any garage-sale type item.
Now that stuff is flooding the market.
I'm only looking for weird and unique things. Things I can't sometimes even find searching eBay.
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‎10-30-2017 07:37 AM
<<I've learned to pick the off the wall stuff, the ugly stuff ect. If I can't find it on eBay, I want it>>
Ugly sells ... LOL ... truth 🙂
I have found that if I find something hideous, I need to buy it 🙂 The worse my initial visceral reaction to an item, the more likely it is to sell 🙂
Buying and Selling since 2013
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‎10-30-2017 08:21 AM
It's uncomfortable, but sometimes you just have find a new niche.
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‎10-30-2017 08:57 AM
Hey Im Frank. I want to tell you my story. I used to pay $4.00 on average per item i would list on ebay. (it is a consistent number because it is always clothing) Then I realized I needed to cut expenses, so I found new ways to acquire the same product. I now can pay around 50 cents per item, because my system is structured to do what other people cannot with clothing, which is buy in bulk.
Enough about me, lets talk about you
It's tough to build a system when you sell random stuff. It's also tough to follow trends and seasonality when you sell random grabs. I moved away from this business model 2 years ago. So if you can focus on buying, lets say, videogames, and build a system that sorts videogames, (checks them for imperfections, completion, lists them, ships them) you can then find your own wholesale of videogames. How? I dont know. make posts on craigslist saying I BUY VIDEOGAMES! maybe get a storefront, and accept donations. That part is up to you, and I only use videogames as an example.
Lets say someone does metal scrapping. They have systems in place to scrap metal, and dont ALSO sell videogames, because that would interfere with their system. The system is basically, load a washer in to a truck, bring it home, and break it down, then bring the metal to the scrap yard. Repeat.
I started hustling when I was in 6th grade. It's a unique characteristic. The sooner you pick a niche, the sooner you will stop feeling the pressure of other sellers, because you will be the Frank Lucas of your category and be your own wholesaler. Best wishes to you.
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‎10-30-2017 08:59 AM
I have heard that the forecast for this new generation coming up is buying used. If that's true, it should keep a lot of sellers going for a long, long time.
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‎10-30-2017 09:13 AM
meanwhile everyone is trying to get top dollar for the items they want to get rid of.
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I have been here for 19 years. I used to fill up all 8 pages of my favorites list and put the rest of the item nos in a little book.
Now I can fit them all on the same page.
There are still some nice items here in my categories but sellers are in fantasy land with their prices.
And there is so much junk to have to wade through.
Bargains on nice things are far and few between and I have not found anything worthwile to add to my favorites list in almost a month.
I can find things I collect but the prices are ridiculous and the shipping costs absurd.
Sellers want top dollar and many are insistent that they will not lower their prices no matter what. Others offer offer but will only go down a $.
So their items sit and in the meantime other hordes are found so theirs is no longer that one of a kind item and prices drop to lower than what I have offered.
JMO stubborness is a major problem with some sellers here.
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‎10-30-2017 09:16 AM
Suddenly everyone with a junk pile wanted top dollar.
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What I am finding is that people think because it is old, it has to be valuable.
And that is not always the case. Many times old junk is still junk.
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‎10-30-2017 09:18 AM
@odditiesandantiquities1 wrote:I have heard that the forecast for this new generation coming up is buying used. If that's true, it should keep a lot of sellers going for a long, long time.
Yes, but because of all the debt the new generation has, they do not have a lot of money to spend. New or old, they want it cheap.
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‎10-30-2017 09:57 AM
Good thread!
I've been selling on Ebay since 1997. I've noticed the same things you have. Back in the old days, it was EASY. Go to estate auctions, stay until the end, and come home with a huge load of stuff. I remember being one of two people at the end of an estate auction where everything needed to go and alternating with the other guy and getting huge piles of good stuff for a buck - vintage, collectables, antiques, you name it. Back then, people would buy ANYTHING on Ebay because of the novelty of online auctions.
The ended in the early 2000s, but there was still a ton of good stuff available because Ebay was still relatively new. When I traveled for my job I used to pick antique stores, flea markets, and junk shops, and go to estate auctions and find tons. Back then I specialized in vintage photographs and pulps. I had more than I could sell because most of the shops and sellers had not yet picked up on Ebay. Even most of the auction attendees were not online savvy.
That changed around the mid 2000s. I noticed my usual sources drying up. Antique shops no longer had bargains, and neither did flea markets. I haven't been to an antique mall in years, and while I still like to go to junk shops and flea markets, it's to look for things for me personally rather than to sell. There just isn't anything anymore. I know why that is - everyone is Ebay savvy. Everything you're looking at in an antique mall or flea market has either been on Ebay at least once or has been priced according to Ebay. The stuff you see for sale is either priced with no room to make any money or it's worthless junk.
I'm guilty of that. The stuff I take to swap meets is stuff I can't sell on Ebay. Eveything I sell has been picked through thoroughly.
The lack of good stuff to sell is why I quit for a couple years. I just got tired of not making decent money anymore. I only started back up again out of necessity. My oldest started school and I needed the extra income to pay tuition.
We took a different track this time - thrift stores and toy closeouts. But even THAT has dried up. I haven't found anything sellable at a thrift store in a long time. Prices at thrifts stores have shot up, and you often see Ebay printouts taped to stuff , so you know they are savvy now too. The only hope of a thrift store is to go to one that has sufficient volume that they can't check everything.
Even my new approach - buying HUGE lots (truck/trailer loads, sometimes multiples) and sorting through to get the good stuff is getting harder. I went to an auction last weekend and I was chatting with the seller, and he had been a long time Ebay seller and this was his left overs. I still managed to find some good things but this load is going to be more work for a smaller return.
I said when I first started this gig that estate auctions as we knew them were going to be a thing of the past. They would be replaced by people sitting at computers listing to ebay. I was close. It's not just ebay, but Marknet, Proxibid, etc. that are cutting out the middle man (us).
That's why I'm actively diversifying my income stream. The writing is on the wall and the letters are very large.
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‎10-30-2017 10:01 AM
@prescott4 wrote:
Shows like American Pickers really was a game changer for those who had been pickin long before the show.
Suddenly everyone with a junk pile wanted top dollar.
Reproduction junk and counterfeits from China doesn't help either.
I've learned to pick the off the wall stuff, the ugly stuff ect. If I can't find it on eBay, I want it.
In the car market we call that "Barretjacksonitis". You have a guy with a rotting piece of **bleep** in his back yard, not worth the effort to scrap it, and he wants $20k for it because he "saw one just like it sell on Barrett Jackson for $100,000". Nevermind that the one he saw sell was an immaculately restored Yenko Chevelle and his is a 307 Malibu that's missing the drive train and interior. And then they get mad when no one wants to pay, so they get revenge by selling it for scrap and crushing it.
