01-15-2022 06:04 PM - edited 01-15-2022 06:05 PM
To be clear, I don't use a Reserve price anymore in my own listings, but I saw a footnote in my buying account at the bottom of the list of items I've been bidding on that made me wonder:
"If you have been outbid, you may still become the high bidder if, for example, the seller cancels a bid received by another bidder or lowers a reserve price."
(Emphasis mine)
Is that correct? My understanding up to now has been that if a seller lowers a Reserve price (i.e. a Reserve that hasn't been met yet), the highest bidder up to that point will see his bid lowered to one increment below the new Reserve price. (Otherwise it would be trivial to post some ludicrously high Reserve, wait for bids, then lower the Reserve in order to hook a lead bidder who thought his bid had failed and had therefore gone off elsewhere.) Once the Reserve is lowered, the lead bidder would re-bid in order to meet or exceed the new lower Reserve, and pay if no one else exceeds that.
I know that when you bid, you're pledging to pay that amount if you win; that much is clear. But if you don't meet the Reserve at that time, does the seller get to lower the Reserve later on and claim that you still have a commitment to pay? If that's the case, it would lead to bidders having to retract their failed bids for security in case the seller lowers or removes the Reserve later on, then demands payment.
01-15-2022 06:12 PM - edited 01-15-2022 06:13 PM
@a_c_green wrote:If that's the case, it would lead to bidders having to retract their failed bids for security in case the seller lowers or removes the Reserve later on, then demands payment.
I don't read the buying board regularly. I wonder if this has ever drawn complaints over there from buyers who were "trapped".
That aside, most sellers know that most buyers laugh when a seller "demands" payment 🙂
01-15-2022 06:12 PM
No. That only is for auctions were you were once the high bidder. If your below the reserve and it's lowered, your bid is lowered too.
01-15-2022 06:24 PM
No, that's not correct. When a seller lowers a reserve, they can't set it below the current high bid. There's no way to make any current bidder into the auction winner.
That's just sloppy writing. Or maybe that text predates the current reserve policy, but I don't remember any time in the past when it would have worked that way.
01-15-2022 06:28 PM
This is a paragraph from the help pages about lowering a Reserve.
If you lower the reserve price below the high bidder's maximum bid, we'll lower the high bidder's maximum bid to $1.00 below the new reserve price. After you lower a reserve price, we'll contact bidders to let them know about the change and ask them to bid again to reconfirm their interest.
Definitely different information.
01-15-2022 06:32 PM
The best way to set a Reserve is to make it the opening bid. Unlike the Reserve, this is free.
If a Reserve is not met, not only does the item go unsold, but the seller is charged a fee based on that Reserve which is not refundable.
There are so many reasons why Auctions are less than 15% of transactions but have ten times as many Unpaid Item disputes.