eBay

wethefew · ‎05-28-2018

Does anyone else notice bids my "new members" that win and then don't pay?

Could this be bid pumping?

castlemagicmemories · ‎05-28-2018

I don't think so as I don't see what that would accomplish.

It could be sport bidding, bidding for entertainment (I know you don't find it entertaining), they changed their mind, or ran off after the next shiny thing that flashed in front of their eyes.

They may have seen the item cheaper after they won.

Listing as fixed price, immediate payment required can eliminate this. If need be, open an Unpaid Item Dispute at 48 hrs, close in 96, get your fees back and give the buyer a strike, just two of which will stop them from buying from thousands of sellers who use the most popular block of two strikes in twelve months.

luckythewinner · ‎05-28-2018

Does Anyone Think That Ebay Pumps Bids

No, I don't.

thallidguy · ‎05-28-2018

@wethefew wrote:
Does anyone else notice bids my "new members" that win and then don't pay?
Could this be bid pumping?

Given that eBay wouldn't make any money anyway once the seller files and closes an Unpaid Item Dispute and gets his seller fees refunded? So that (presumably) they'd be using paid employees to do something that would only make them a little money even on the rare occasions when it worked, and would only be a waste the vast majority of the time?

No. That's sheer stupidity, one of the silliest notions I've seen floated in this forum over the years. And that's saying a lot.

wethefew · ‎05-28-2018

Stupidity?

The benefit is increased final valuation fees. If you have ever bid on an item you know that they ask "what is the most that you are willing to pay". If you have an individual that is willing to pay $100 for an item, and they submit that so that it will be automatically bid up to that amount, and the bid is only at $33.50, wouldn't that be at the best interest of ebay to make sure it gets to that point?

cherry*fizz · ‎05-28-2018

But if they win and don't pay as stated in the OP what is that helping?

wethefew · ‎05-28-2018

Your right.

Then the item is then either second chanced or re-listed. But if it works (which is not winning but having a bid/bidders to win) then the payoff is great.

Of course it sucks for the seller to either take less or relist but if it works....it works.

jonathankirkland · ‎05-28-2018

@wethefew wrote:
Does anyone else notice bids my "new members" that win and then don't pay?
Could this be bid pumping?

I don't think it's "ebay" doing it, but I guess I'd agree with it being "bid pumping"? Depends what you mean by that.

Some people for whatever reason just bid for sport and then don't pay. It seems ebay really doesn't do anything about it so hey, who cares! And even if they do eventually get enough unpaid item disputes opened against to be unable to bid on everyone who has lots setup with that restriction, they can easily just create a new account.

I wish ebay would crack down on and take non-paying bidders much more seriously.

4097x · ‎05-28-2018

Recently I made a bid with four seconds to go and the high bid AT THAT TIME was $210. I lost the auction. A third bidder outbid both of us, which is fine, except that the record of all the bids shows that this third bidder made his/her bid seven hours earlier. Am I to believe that it was a another "glitch" that prevented this earlier bid from being known until there were less than four seconds to go?

cherry*fizz · ‎05-28-2018

@4097x wrote:
Recently I made a bid with four seconds to go and the high bid AT THAT TIME was $210. I lost the auction. A third bidder outbid both of us, which is fine, except that the record of all the bids shows that this third bidder made his/her bid seven hours earlier. Am I to believe that it was a another "glitch" that prevented this earlier bid from being known until there were less than four seconds to go?

So there were no previous bids from this bidder before the end of the auction? It just showed up after it was over but said it was placed 7 hours earlier?

pburn · ‎05-28-2018

@4097x wrote:
Recently I made a bid with four seconds to go and the high bid AT THAT TIME was $210. I lost the auction. A third bidder outbid both of us, which is fine, except that the record of all the bids shows that this third bidder made his/her bid seven hours earlier. Am I to believe that it was a another "glitch" that prevented this earlier bid from being known until there were less than four seconds to go?

So, you don't think it was an automatic/proxy bid that won the auction? Can you provide a link to the bid history for that auction? I'd be fascinated to see how the bidding went . . .

Thanks!

ted_200 · ‎05-28-2018

@wethefew wrote:
Does anyone else notice bids my "new members" that win and then don't pay?
Could this be bid pumping?

They very well could be shill bidders. But they're not eBay, those would be IDs controlled by the seller involved.

The Floggings Will Continue Until Morale Improves.

ted_200 · ‎05-28-2018

@wethefew wrote:
Stupidity?

The benefit is increased final valuation fees. If you have ever bid on an item you know that they ask "what is the most that you are willing to pay". If you have an individual that is willing to pay $100 for an item, and they submit that so that it will be automatically bid up to that amount, and the bid is only at $33.50, wouldn't that be at the best interest of ebay to make sure it gets to that point?

You're asking if eBay shills auctions to increase their FVF take? No. But they are willing to ignore obvious shill bidding by sellers, and that may well factor into why they ignore it.

The Floggings Will Continue Until Morale Improves.

ted_200 · ‎05-28-2018

@4097x wrote:
Recently I made a bid with four seconds to go and the high bid AT THAT TIME was $210. I lost the auction. A third bidder outbid both of us, which is fine, except that the record of all the bids shows that this third bidder made his/her bid seven hours earlier. Am I to believe that it was a another "glitch" that prevented this earlier bid from being known until there were less than four seconds to go?

You don't understand the proxy bidding system. That bidder may have bid $500, but it only shows a bid one increment higher than the other highest bidder. eBay's system will automatically bump that $500 bid to one increment over any other bids that come in, until the $500 level is reached. This allows the bidder to bid their max. bid, but still only have to pay one increment over the next bidder, without them having to be at the computer all the time to execute new bids.

Many bidders bid at the end (4 seconds to go). Only then do you know the guy who bid 7 hours earlier bid enough to outbid you.

The Floggings Will Continue Until Morale Improves.

castlemagicmemories · ‎05-28-2018

@wethefew wrote:
Stupidity?

The benefit is increased final valuation fees. If you have ever bid on an item you know that they ask "what is the most that you are willing to pay". If you have an individual that is willing to pay $100 for an item, and they submit that so that it will be automatically bid up to that amount, and the bid is only at $33.50, wouldn't that be at the best interest of ebay to make sure it gets to that point?

But if the person never pays, there are no fees collected.