Buyers cannot receive negative feedback

[acciovintagetoys]

It’s been quite a while since eBay established that buyers cannot receive negative feedback. How’s that working? Not too well. Example: a child who buys yet doesn’t pay. This kid has 100% positive feedback. Now he’s poised to become a seller. eBay, do your job and kick this kid off eBay. Better yet, re-establish negative feedback for buyers. 

[fashunu4eeuh]

@acciovintagetoys wrote:

It’s been quite a while since eBay established that buyers cannot receive negative feedback. How’s that working? Not too well. Example: a child who buys yet doesn’t pay. This kid has 100% positive feedback. Now he’s poised to become a seller. eBay, do your job and kick this kid off eBay. Better yet, re-establish negative feedback for buyers. 

Ebay members must be 18 years of age to use the platform. Children cannot enter into binding legal agreements.

[the*dog*ate*my*tablecloth]

If nonpayment is the worst your buyers are doing to you, you should be thankful. 

How would a negative help when most sellers never see the buyer coming? 

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@acciovintagetoys wrote:

It’s been quite a while since eBay established that buyers cannot receive negative feedback. How’s that working? Not too well. Example: a child who buys yet doesn’t pay. This kid has 100% positive feedback. Now he’s poised to become a seller. eBay, do your job and kick this kid off eBay. Better yet, re-establish negative feedback for buyers. 

File your UID. Negative feedback is pretty worthless for a buyer because they can just open up new accounts. It takes nothing but an email to open a buying account and you can get a million email accounts.

It's working how eBay wants it to work, so it's not going to change.

[dalo4242]

Or... educate sellers to the fact that being petty doesn't pay

[a_c_green]

Before the offending buyer's ID, the one that the OP is complaining about, disappears from the original posting for whatever reason... you really all need to go see that buyer's Feedback as a Buyer page. I have never seen so many false-Positive feedback warnings from unhappy sellers in one place. It looks like he stiffed far more sellers than he ever paid, and however many UPIs were filed against him, it clearly was not enough to get him booted from the site.

It's just... amazing. The list of irate false-Positive comments just goes on and on, page after page. He's been here since last June with a feedback count of 80, but exactly how many he actually paid for is something far less than that. 

[femmefan1946]

Feedback is meaningless.

Feedback is not used by eBay to measure a seller-- or a buyer.

Dispute and Claims are.

And a buyer who loses an Unpaid Item Dispute gets a Strike which prevents him from bidding at all on many if not most sellers' items.

Enough lost Disputes and eBay will close the buyer's account, because even with robots, these are business expenses.

If this particular seller is under 18, he can be Reported.

It's trickier if he has been stiffing sellers who are too naive to know that they can get an FVF refund by opening a Dispute and giving deadbeats Strikes, because it leaves them open to being disciplined for leaving false positives.

Just the fact that he is reported to have reams of false positives shows the pointlessness of leaving negative feedback for buyers.
Future buyers won't see it because buyer names are masked.

Future sellers are mostly selling by Fixed Price or Buy It Now and won't see it until the deadbeat purchases.... which is too late.

[the*dog*ate*my*tablecloth]

How is Ebay supposed to know to suspend the buyer if the sellers are not apparently filing the UIDs?

What is so amazing is that so many sellers are happy to break the rules to spank a buyer and leave so many others unprotected. If those sellers had followed the rules and closed their UIDs AND set their bidder blocks then there should have only been a couple of rule breaking sellers to leave false positives.

The system works folks if people follow the rules. What is so amazing is that there are also so many sellers who won't. There shouldn't be pages of false positives because that buyer should be unable to buy. 

[dalo4242]

@a_c_green

had the sellers filed the UID feedback would have been blocked. So, rather than doing the right thing the sellers did the vindictive thing, and didnt anyone.

[city*satins]

In the earlier days of ebay, before Buy it Now was implemented and Fixed Price listings, negative feedback for buyers was actually useful information for sellers to read.   Most buyers didn't snipe back then, so there was a good chance that a seller who was keeping track of who was bidding on his auctions, could spot a bad bidder by his feedback profile, and cancel his bids and block him.  

Now, that's no longer the case, and negative feedback for buyers would have little value in helping their future sellers.

[defeated247]

I do not agree that this seller should be thankful that their only issue is non payment. If Ebay would automatically take payment from buyers account at time of purchase this would never happen. When you go to the store and buy a loaf of bread can you as the buyer say I will pay for it later? No you pay when service and item is purchased. Ebay takes their money from sellers accounts when they get ready, They make sure they get their payment, it should be the same for buyers and sellers.

[the*dog*ate*my*tablecloth]

In your example the buyer would not get the bread.

No payment on eBay is more like when you buy a duplicate toy for a kids birthday and return it to Target. People change their minds.

in these days of false SNADs, fraud and extra fees for victimized sellers, there is plenty more that could go wrong with more hassle and bigger consequences.

Sellers are not penalized for no paying buyers yet.

[the*dog*ate*my*tablecloth]

And yeah, most sellers are already complaining that there are no buyers. If I have to preapprove payment I will stop buying here. In my ebay buying time I have probably spent over half a million on here and paid for every single purchase.

if you don’t want npbs run all fixedprice with immediate payment required. There is already a fix for the problem. Why should it be a burden on the buyer?

[castlemagicmemories]

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@the*dog*ate*my*tablecloth wrote:

If nonpayment is the worst your buyers are doing to you, you should be thankful. 

How would a negative help when most sellers never see the buyer coming? 

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Retribution?  (I agree with you)

Revenge is a dish best served cold.

[castlemagicmemories]

They bill monthly. But they don't automatically take it from sellers unless you have indicated that is how you want your payment to be made.

You can make sure you get your payment by listing fixed price, immediate payment required.

Open and close UPIs as just two strikes will block the buyer from buying from most sellers who use the 2 or more UPIs in one year block.