11-09-2018 11:25 AM
Does anyone here feel like they are being taken advantage of? Not in a small way, like when your best friend always wants to borrow your clothes, or when your boyfriend always insists on picking the movie--but in a serious and life changing way? I sit here now thinking of all the injustices that I continue to experience as a seller here--that seemingly endless feeling of dread because I never know what is going to happen next--am I going to be able to pay my bills in a month? Or will eBay come up with a new scheme to freeze me out? Who will the "chosen" ones be six months from now? I am pondering the callous way that my livelihood and financial well being have been treated by this company.
In truth, I am not a valued trading partner, I am a servant--always running from punishment, trying desperately to stay one step ahead--grateful for the few crumbs that are tossed my way. I have no rights--I can't even control the items that I post here, as eBay will change them--without warning or permission--any time they feel like it. And instead of learning how to become a better seller, I have instead only gotten more ignorant--as my ability to glean understanding, research, and expand my knowledge has been essentially cut off--with many of the useful and educational features of the site made unavailable to me now. What is left is only the constant stress and pressure that they try to instill in us--and they certainly do seem to love keeping us all worrying about the next defect, bad feedback, Final Value Fee Penalization, or the next false SNAD case. Nothing instills more fear and dread in me than reading a sentence from eBay that begins with "In order to help sellers...." And I can't help but feel that, in some way, there is an even darker underlying agenda--rather than just the simple scheme of keeping the stock holders happy.
Whether the indignities imposed upon sellers are by design, or stem from pure ignorance and apathy, it makes no difference--the imbalance of control, power, and financial reward here, the clear favoritism shown by eBay to some, but not all sellers, and the increased intrusions into our listings, stores, and bank accounts, has made selling here unbearable. With sellers losing more autonomy daily, we have essentially become the assistant managers in our own stores. Not what any of us had in mind, I'm sure, when we set out to start our own businesses.
I just want to know--how much more money is going to be pilfered from our pockets--when is it going to be enough? I am in utter disbelief at the audacity and gall eBay has--pressuring us to do these promoted listings. There is a reminder at the bottom of your listing page that you see every time you list an item, and under every single one of my listings in bright GREEN it says that the listing is "eligible for promoted listings." No kidding eBay--just in case I wasn't sure, thanks for writing it 950 times for me, in case I forgot.
And I am certainly reminded as I look through the items that are for sale. There they are--thousands upon thousands, if not millions of promoted listings all over the place. And all I can think to myself is--just like when everyone gets a trophy, promoted listings cease to be interesting or a draw for buyers when everyone has them. Then we have the sellers who offer "free" returns with their Top Rated Plus beside their listings, and for the sellers who really bend over backwards--well, they get a quicker shipping time--isn't that nice? We all use the same services, but for some reason my estimated delivery time has gone from four days to SEVEN, and last night it was NINE (and that is shipping to MYSELF--who knows what a buyer in California is seeing) and right alongside of my listings are listings from other sellers quoting four days still. Right before the holidays--isn't that just wonderful? I called eBay, and of course I was told that there was nothing wrong, that I'm still in the Guaranteed Delivery Program--and that my listings ARE showing up as guaranteed--they are just guaranteed for a week from now. Um--isn't that little green estimated delivery banner, that shows that I ship FAST, and meant to instill confidence in the buyer, what I gave up selling multiple items to one buyer for? I've lost a ton of sales because I can't send an invoice--in truth, forcing buyers to "Buy it now" has been detrimental to my bottom line on many occasions. Buyers just don't feel confident that I will either A. Refund them AFTER they purchase, after they've paid all the shipping up front, or B. They think that I am full of it and trying to rip them off in some way because other sellers have been able to send them invoices, no problem. I don't blame them a bit--I am exactly like that too--I want to know before I pay what the discount will be for combined shipping--and I want it in writing--I totally see their point. Why am I even in the Guaranteed Delivery Program? Why did I go through the trouble? So that now eBay can decide, once again, that it just isn't good enough for them? That program hasn't even been in effect for very long, and already they are tweaking it, or making it irrelevant?
Every day it is something new. Every. Single. Day. There is a new glitch or page change, or information that you were previously able to view that is no longer available. How is it that they have SO much time that they can change things every day, yet last week THREE of my listings from 2017 mysteriously popped up in my store? I thought they were so worried about buyer satisfaction? Well, someone buying something that was sold in 2017 would surely cause just a tad bit of dissatisfaction. You think somebody could take the time to fix that? I mean, its only been happening for years now.
I cannot believe how much of our ability to use the site has disappeared. We can't look at our individual star ratings anymore, we can't see what other buyers or sellers have purchased, and we can't even access our OWN listings after a couple of months. I can't buy from some of my favorite sellers anymore because all of my purchases are GONE--and what is even worse is that I can't even LOOK for those sellers on eBay anymore because you CAN'T find a seller by their name anymore. What could possibly be the reasoning behind that? The only reason I can see for all those changes was to discourage repeat buyers for the small sellers. Every single one of those changes led to nothing but decreased sales for the smaller sellers. But why would they want to do that?
I was thinking the other day that they must be getting ready to charge, like Worthpoint, for knowledge about product prices. Didn't we used to get six months or a year's worth of prices in the Advanced search? And didn't there used to be a button that let us "Search the Description" in the advanced search? Like the button underneath the regular search? Why is it all of the sudden such a big deal to see what sold? Or to find a seller you like? Is there even a reason, or is eBay just closing down our access to information in an effort to make us concentrate on what they want us to be looking at? Like the 950 lines of bright green on my screen urging me give them more money?
All I know is that I am working WAY longer hours and making about half the money I made two years ago. Between losing my 20% FVF discount, the INSANE shipping increases at the Post Office (which now they just reach right in your account and TAKE what they THINK you owe them for short shipping). I just got one the other day for almost five dollars, although when I have my packages weighed at the PO I am never short. What can I even do? eBay has made it **bleep** near impossible to access any information. They didn't even put what transaction I had made the "mistake" on--not even the DATE--and by the time I look everything up, go through the hassle of trying to navigate my way through Paypal AND eBay just to figure out what sale it was, well, by then I will have probably eaten up way more than 5 dollars worth of time. And who knows what kind of a hassle it will be to fight it--and I suppose that is what they are counting on. They tell us enough, and keep us just smart enough to do the basics, but let us be ignorant of how to help and protect ourselves.
Where is the respect? What right does the Post Office have to just stick their hands into our accounts and take money without asking us first? I'm not upset about the five bucks, but I AM upset about the fact that I wasn't asked or alerted first--on eBay or Paypal--I don't know if they send an email--I don't check mine because there are always 500 emails from eBay in there for any and every little listing change or sale I make--I can't wade through all that clogged mess. But why would eBay allow them to just take our money? Maybe it's because eBay is reaping its own rewards by either taking a percentage of what the Post Office re-coups, or maybe its from withholding some of what should be our "shipping discount?" I never believed it before, but honestly--do you really think a company that has gotten so ridiculously greedy, and so calloused towards its sellers WOULDN'T do such a thing?
And now we all have to worry about the new Tax changes. Another dent in our ever-shrinking incomes. I live in Pennsylvania--it is one of the poorest, most disadvantaged states I have ever lived in, and I've lived in a lot of them. So why would PA choose to tax an already suffering and poverty stricken populace? Oh, and also--we don't have Economy shipping here--no ground shipping whatsoever. I just can't understand what the reasoning is for that--we could certainly use it. Is the goal here to widen the divide between the rich and the poor? Essentially wiping out the middle class--making us a population of only masters and slaves? Royalty and serfs?
We are essentially being nickled and dimed right into poverty. There are so many different hands in my pot, that there isn't enough left to feed my own family anymore. Everyone I know lives paycheck to paycheck--and most are college grads. How has this happened? Well, let's take eBay CEO's and stock holders Vs. the "little" sellers on the ground, you know, the ones actually making things happen. How could the CEO of eBay possible understand what a difference 5% makes to us little people? How could he even have a concept of what an increase of 65 cents in shipping could do to our businesses? He's shoveling millions at the already uber-wealthy executives. Taking a few dollars here, skimming a couple there, taking away our discounts and incentives with no warning and no explanation--spread across all the sellers on the site, we're talking some serious cash. He is looking at millions daily--while we are counting pennies.
Every time I turn around it seems I am assaulted with eBay demanding that I give either them or the buyers more of my hard earned profit--and it is not only irritating, but its also really scary. How can they not understand how slim the profit margins are for so many of their sellers? Do they not understand how difficult THEY have made it to sell on their platform? I waste more time just trying to figure out what the heck they are up to, than I spend listing. I haven't even fully recovered from losing my 20% discount, and already there they are with their hands out wanting more. It's the reverse of Robin Hood--robbing the poor to pay the rich--and it's sickening, quite honestly. They JUST gave themselves, essentially a HUGE raise, with millions of sellers who lost their 20% discount on final value fees. Wouldn't you think that the millions (billions?) that they JUST scooped up might be enough to satisfy them for at least a little while? I'm stunned by the greed of this company--just floored.
This is nothing new though--throughout history, and especially before the fall of most great civilizations there has been class distinction, and a huge disparity between the have's and have-not's. But what is becoming increasingly bothersome to me is the brazen entitlement of the eBay leaders to simply take what they want--without notification or permission--and even more troubling is that they granted access to an outside entity, the Post Office, to also grab what they want from our tills. What's next? Are they going to allow the IRS or hospitals to collect our debts from our accounts? What in the world can we expect when eBay takes over as the payment provider--I'm seriously going to have nightmares tonight.
To me, it shows a serious lack of consideration for our privacy, and no regard for our boundaries. And much like how the peasants were treated--kept ignorant, living hand to mouth, always made aware of the fact that their livelihood and well being depended upon being granted favor by the noble class--we too have somehow slipped into the status of being invisible--disposable, for the most part. We are tolerated as long as we are useful, but we are not relevant or considered essential to the grand plan. Which leads me to believe that there are going to be many more fingers tugging at our pockets in the future.
The sheer lack of respect and the refusal to take any of our objections, or even appeals for fairer conditions, or even just a level playing field--well, that says to me that the leaders of this company are above listening to the complaints of the common man. To their eventual and inevitable demise. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure eBay will manage to hang in there somehow--but there are going to be many who will fail and fall in the process--not just the small sellers, although there will be plenty of us reduced to road kill--but the real failures here are the leaders--those who were given guardianship over millions of people's livelihood's, and tasked with commanding the ship effectively, not steering it into the rocks.
When this is all said and done, many of those men will be looked upon--not as innovators and trailblazers, who not only succeeded in their careers, but who were also conscientious shepherds of the many families financial futures that were entrusted to them--but instead as heedless blunderers--known only for their unbendible adherence to visionless, poorly thought out plots and schemes. They will be remembered simply for their reckless negligence--men who believed blindly in the conviction that the few deserve to profit, despite the suffering of the many.
11-09-2018 02:11 PM
Gotta have a little sympathy for these people. They can't just scrape by on millions, they need billions these days!
11-09-2018 02:25 PM
Very well written and perfectly stated!
I started selling on ebay in 2000. I have 8 accounts. I've had months that I sold over $8000.00 worth. Now I'm lucky if I break $3000.00. Absolutly hate the customer service and the policies now.
I'm starting a new business soon after I get rid of all the merchandise that slow sales has backed up in my garage (two car garage stacked)! I'll go back to owning my business again.
11-09-2018 04:19 PM
I felt taken advantage of, and I left.
So far I have done a fraction of the business on the other venue.
But for now something is better than nothing, and I feel for you because I am not 100% dependent on online sales.
Agreed it is terrible how much the 'privileged' desire to take more and more with the added guilt trip they try to impose on us.
Again, it is a matter of ethics.
I don't care how much the 'rules' of business excuse the robbing of the poor, there is always the headline or advertisment of higher standard that is implied with every company, corporation, or just sales pitch.
I live in PA like you, and people, whether they live this way or not, always know right from wrong.
We are not afraid to disucss anything even if means having to correct awful judgement.
By the way, I love the post.
EVERY word is expressed perfectly.
My critique is you should have made it 2554 with "Mic Drop!"
Best to you!
11-09-2018 04:40 PM
I read your whole post and my heart goes out to you. I could feel your pain, and I wish you were not in that dark place. I hope things get better for you.
11-10-2018 04:32 AM
I haven`t posted in awhile because I have been busy. I`ve decided to start my own website. I will also still attempt to sell on ebay. I refuse to be a victim. I have no intention of going down with the ship. I`d rather swim with all my might in hopes to save myself.
People are different and so are their situations. Some people get beat on a daily basis until it becomes commonplace so they just automatically cower everyday. Some fight back. Some go postal and some check out. I`m going to fight back in my own way in hopes of a win. My best wishes to everyone here.
11-10-2018 07:29 AM
Now that is a serious post. Best regards
11-10-2018 08:36 AM
More than appreciate your post. You have hit on many, many viable problems that need to be resolved. Again, thank you.
11-10-2018 08:52 AM - edited 11-10-2018 08:57 AM
You are right, no doubt there. We no longer control our own businesses or our inventory or anything else once it is posted on ebay. Ebay has been systemacatically changing all that over the years. They call our buyers, their. They call our inventory, theirs, they call our sales, theirs. They now also collect all the money on our sales as if it were theirs and they are doing it for just that reason. To have complete control.
Now we are nothing but an end to a means for ebay. We are here to make "ebay's numbers" and nothing more than that and they will and do do it at our expense even if it means putting some of us out of business in the process.
Those that think this is all great will also eventually change their opinions because sooner or later all this will hit them negatively as well. History of selling on ebay shows us this. It just doesn't happen to everyone at the same time...but it does and will happen.
It is sad what ebay has turned into and is a far cry from what it should be and eventually they will find it is unsustainable for the long term.
In the meantime we either deal as best we can or move on or diversify and limit what we post here.
11-10-2018 09:06 AM
What a terrible post! It is attitudes like yours that keep "WE THE PEOPLE" down. So what you are saying is the we plebs CANNOT change anything, just lay down and be subservient to the "powers that be." I'm NOT a big fan of Tom Jefferson, but i do like this quote!
"I hold it that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing, and as necessary in the political world as storms in the physical."
11-10-2018 09:11 AM
Great post! I feel your words, I just wish a majority of "us" did. Only then will things change. Sad part is, most people don't seem to want actual change for the better. They are happy with all the lies and unfairness. They are happy in their own little bubble.
The time IS soon coming to POP those #$%&*^! bubbles!!!
11-10-2018 09:20 AM - edited 11-10-2018 09:22 AM
Is the goal here to widen the divide between the rich and the poor? Essentially wiping out the middle class--making us a population of only masters and slaves? Royalty and serfs?
I believe that there is something to this, and it's happening at all levels of business and government. Remember a few years ago when Donahoe was on some committee under Obama, along with the leaders of several other major corporations? I understand that that's normal these days, but it sure does appear that there is a coordinated effort to separate the classes even more than they are now. The uber rich see it as a sort of game of Monopoly. The goal is to have it ALL, with no regard for who gets knocked out of their "game". There is definitely more going on than we'll ever know, but we sure will feel the effects.
11-10-2018 09:29 AM
I think that the only way to negate any effect of Promoted Listings is to do your best to have something that is unique in some way. Either no one else has it or you have the best quality or the lowest price. Serious buyers will then find your item without any PL gimmicks to get their attention.
11-10-2018 10:20 AM
All I know is if I felt that bad about the company I was using to sell on and thought they where bleeding me dry I would find somewhere else to sell, change what i was doing, or just stop completely.
11-10-2018 11:42 AM - edited 11-10-2018 11:44 AM
@coolections wrote:All I know is if I felt that bad about the company I was using to sell on and thought they where bleeding me dry I would find somewhere else to sell, change what i was doing, or just stop completely.
And where would that be?? Seems a bit easier said than done if you actually check out other sites or the B&M's going out of business.
People have every right in this country to make an honest living at the career of their choice and have every right to be unhappy that this right is being taken away from us....and even more so when others support the loss of that right and their ability to do what they choose as a career and to make a living .
We were never meant to be subject to being used in this way just to survive and just so some corporation can make their numbers look good.
Last time I checked we are in a free market society.....and some seem to forget this while being controlled.
11-10-2018 11:49 AM - edited 11-10-2018 11:54 AM
BTW...ebay and such such are doing everything they can against having a free market. They hide items, prevent people from selling, prevent buyers from seeing all their choices, controlling market values in the race to the bottom pricing, controlling our money and refunds and this list goes on and on. And this is being done because it benefits their numbers and not us in any way.
So there is a great many things wrong in all this and while some of us try to do what we can to survive we are not sheep and did not drink the kool-aide, as the saying goes and do know what is wrong and why.
Dealing with our reailty at the moment does not mean the same as being blind to the facts.