Please help identify signed, stamped, antique porcelain from Germany

[gloriasuniquegifts4you]

I have additional photos; I can only post 4 here. My mom gave me these lamps; the set has been in the family and passed down. I see a signature; for the life of me I cannot read it (I tried several ways; I attached the clearest photo here).  Both pieces are marked 'Germany' (as in photo). One of the set is signed by the artist (gold paint; photo attached). I am fairly certain both pieces were stamped (in a black mark); one is not legible and the other barely. It looks like there is a #84 on the one. If you are able to identify this I'd greatly appreciate it; I will be looking to sell them. I realize they are quite dirty; I don't want to clean them unless I am certain I won't damage them. Also, are you able to tell me, were they originally lamps (like these, or have these been rewired)? Also, if they were not originally lamps, are they devalued by being made into lamps (assuming these are of value). A date of origination would be great too. Thank you!

[md1919]

none of these marks are the maker of the porcelain figures.  all I see for the gold mark is a smear.  the figures were made separately and assembled with the lamps by another company.  I have no idea when they were assembled.

[gloriasuniquegifts4you]

Thank you for your reply; I appreciate it. I'm not doubting your expertise. However, I can assure you, the gold mark is not a smear.

Do you know who may have done work like this, or what period of time this is from?

Thank you.

[authenticvintageselect]

Why would you post a photo of the "gold mark" (looks like a smear to me as well) with flash directly covering it?  Maybe post a different photo of the smear without flash over it.

[gloriasuniquegifts4you]

As one of the lamps had a bolt missing on the bottom, I disassembled part of it. There was a stamp on the bottom of the piece. I've incl. 2 new photos (the mark as well as 'the only area' that I see missing lace). Any help in identifying is appreciated. If there is any real value here, I would like to sell this (or the set). Thank you again!

[gloriasuniquegifts4you]

Alerting me that the porcelain lamps were assembled by another company, knowing one was missing a bolt, I thought to take it apart. There is a mark on the bottom of the piece; I have attached the photo in a reply (by me) below. Thank you! Perhaps there is value in the pieces after all. Your further advice is appreciated, thank you again!

[gloriasuniquegifts4you]

Please see my own 'new' reply with added photos below. Your assistance is appreciated! Thank you.

[gloriasuniquegifts4you]

This might be a little easier to read, I adj. the contrast, light.

[md1919]

looks like a badly smudged sitzendorf mark.

[whatmorefabric · Accepted solution]

It looks like Sitzendorf.   It is hard to tell because it looks like a crown with the S.

They were probably never lamps and rather converts.Sitzendorf made candlestick holders , figurines and other buffet items.

The lace on one of the figures was often used in their lace lady designs.   The lace ladies are still collectable,  but you would have to get an expert to look at these to see if condition or if they were converted from Candle holders.

Sitzendorf lamps  usually had a bisque base to them.

[gloriasuniquegifts4you]

I orig. posted this as a lamp set (also made in Germany, stamped on brass base).

I've taken apart both lamps; I can now see that one is clearly marked with a crown and what looks to be a 5. The other is marked the same, just not as clear. Please see photos attached. There are some missing pieces of lace; I posted the max. # of photos allowed here. I'm looking to id these and find their value; I wish to sell them. Thank you.

[md1919]

did you see the id's already posted?

[gloriasuniquegifts4you]

Thank you so much for your response!

[gloriasuniquegifts4you]

Great, thank you!

[gloriasuniquegifts4you]

Thank you, and no I did not see your earlier comment before this one. If not for you I'd have never taken apart the lamps (which I can easily put back together of course), the lamps which were covering up the actual mark (guessing the gold leaf may be a smudge after all). Now I will need to see if they are worth anything!