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g-pa1
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For those of you that have or are familiar with DCC operations I would ask you... 1. Do all DCC systems work all scales of model railroading (as long as there is a decoder in the Loco)?And does an MRC Prodigy controller need a MRC decoderinstalled in the Loco in order to control the Loco? 2. Does DCC preclude having to wire passing sidings or yards to isolate them or can the DCC controller just shut down a loco on a passing siding without any special wiring? 3.If you have DCC or used DCC how quick are you able to get control of a Locomotive that may not be on the handset at the moment. In otherwords say you are immediately controlling No 2222 and it is getting near a No.4122 loco how quick do the DCC systems, that you have used, allow you to get control of the other loco to avoid a collision (or to shut it down in case it became derailed)? I do know that there is a panic stop for most systems. Is this the only way to avoid the collisions? Hope these questions are clear. Gene
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g-pa1
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Or started even. Gene
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In the AZ layout I had a double-tracked 4 turn helix that was 2.3% grade and contained 1.4 scale miles of track in each track on a 24" radius. I used one track for up and the other for down. I strongly advise the laying of two tracks in any helix, more if you can afford the space. It's a great place for train storage. Now as for Gene's request; this forwarding system will only work if you guys change over to On30. And I think you also need a G scale running around the room's perimeter on a decorative shelf. B-) & :x
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g-pa1
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Well...Pete you could set up the loco's with adjustable trucks. The kind you just invented that would only require an adjusting wheel underneath to spread or close the amount of distance between the wheels to fit the N scale track gauge. As far as the decoders go just put them in the tender(Or snip them down and put them into an N scale loco).Hows that for fabrication ideas. (We can call the new patent pending trucks the PC trucks for Pete C. or Politically Correct which ever the marketing mavens say would sell the best.) Gene
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Ain't never gonna fly. You forgot about the track radii and height and width clearance required for the larger scale cars. As far as the wheel gauge, just switch the whole truck out. That is the easy part. It's going to be tough getting those O scale locos and such through those N scale tunnels...... B-) & :x
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I'm at the other end of the spectrum by having the MRC Prodigy system as I didn't want to fork out the extra couple of hundred dollars for a better system. (Can't have my RR having more performance than the vette.) Primarily as I was new to the DCC thing (and wanted to try it without spending a fortune and then realize I didn't like it) and thought it was a cool idea to get away from blocks and switches beings I was starting a layout for the first time. The pain (expense) is paying extra for a DCC loco or buying a decoder later for it. But no having to worry about flicking block switches or runaway locos outweighs the cost on the long run as far as enjoyment (espec when you let your 10 y/o play) It's a personal opinion thing I think. Some like diesels and some like steam. Maintenance wise-maybe a little extra is needed for cleaner tracks but would you perform the same care and maintence on a Ferrari (Porsche,Vette,Iroc in Punk,me,and Cj's case) as you would on a $500 beater? Oops,not saying you DC guys have junk, I just mean if you spend all this extra for DCC and decoders then you will take the time for extra clean track. Runaway control, my MRC Crapigy has a rotary selector for engines so I regain control the engine as fast as I can rotate the switch for the appropiate loco and wind down the throttle knob. When in doubt I hit panic stop. Besides if you are a real RR nut then you will abide by the speed limits per zone, right guys? Dave haven't run mine in a while, still doing scenery,buildings, loco/car painting.
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trmwf
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Dave, Are you saying by the use of the "MRC Crapigy" that you are not happy with this particular system or DCC in general? prof
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Mike, You sound as negative as I was about DCC once upon a time. Frankly, as far as N scale is concerned, with all the engines I had in the stable, I never would have gone DCC. Too much expense to convert. And the fact that steam, which was most of my stable, was hard to convert, also influenced that opinion. You are probably in that position now. This was one of the big reasons I went to the larger scale. That and the ability to have sound too. Now I am a happy man. I can't begin to tell you what a kick it is to hear the engine start up, the light generator wind up, etc. and then chug around the layout. There is a variety of sound that emanates from these little beasts that boggles the mind. Now I must say that the system Dave has is 1st generation and MRC has produced a newer system which is supposed to be better. Unfortunately, Dave can not upgrade his system by adding components or plugging in improvement modules. This is why I went for the Corvette instead of the Corsica. My system is very easily upgraded, as in I am waiting for the module to plug into it right now from the mfg. This is cheaper than buying a whole new system. Now I must ramble on here a bit and say something about track cleaning. I have found that the DCC is no less or more sensitive to dirty track. Maybe it is the fact that I have so many feeders from the bus wires and that the bus wires are of a large size, that I have little trouble, actually none, with pick-up from the tracks. Now I realize that I am in a larger scale and that the "footprint" of the wheel tread is larger and provides a greater area for track contact, but you must realize that when in N scale, I had no pick-up problems either. And here is the kicker. I am using the same bus wire and feeders to the O scale that I used to the N scale. I just cut them off under the layout surface and re-soldered them to the new On30 track where ever they fell. 14 gage bus and 18 gage feeders. Both N and On30 scale. I will attribute this to several things. 1. I ran trains every day. Even if only to make one circuit around the layout to cover all the track. 2. I ran an Aztec cleaning car at least once a week over the whole layout. 3. I ran A-Line track shiner pads on every caboose on every freight train that ran on the layout, therefore always "polishing" the rails with a piece of masonite. I was very remiss about cleaning the freight cars, but I did clean the passenger cars with regularity to keep the lights burning in them without flicker. I also cleaned the loco wheels at least once a month. So, as usual I wrote too much here. If you find anything of interest in this epistle, you are welcome. B-) & :x
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OK, here are my 2 cents on the subject. The more I venture into this hobby and the running of trains, the more I want the ultimate in engine control. To me it must be the cats meow to be able to run like Pete does. Like Pete the only reason I don't convert in N-scale is too many engines to convert (30 something). I can just imagine the versatility of being able to run on an almost prototypical level. If it wasn't for the fact that I truly enjoy my N-scale trains, I would sell them all off and convert to HO with full DCC. Punk
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trmwf
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Well, here is the way I look at it. DCC would be nice. The cost doesn't bother me as I have a lot of money tied up in the hobby anyway so what the heck. If you want it, you get it right! I just simply don't need it. There is no one involved in trains here but me and I frankly do not have the desire to run more than two trains at a time by myself. Running two trains at a time is just right. It is simple enough and allows me the time to enjoy watching them and controlling them. If I was to convert to DCC and start running four or five trains it would cease to be a hobby and more like a job trying to keep track of them all and keeping them under control. I don't want a job, I enjoy my hobby. My DC system allows me to do everything I need as far as controlling and moving the trains by myself. If there was family or friends involved it would probably be different but I just simply do not need DCC at the present time. When they finally get around to making sound in N scale I'll reconsider. prof
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I must clarify that I am Happy with DCC. I am just poking fun at the unit I have. I am content with it for as long as it can power my layout. I hope to get a house someday so that I can make another yard and make full use of the engines I have and have another operator and then DCC will benefit me the most. Right now DCC isn't helping me construct multiple buildings at the same time. HEHE :^O Dave
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Dave, Set the Prodigy for "yard" mode and you will have better control of your MUed buildings. :^O CoDCCFadda
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janesew
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You just need to get a whole bunch of stationary decoders and stuff 'em in your buildings to control the lights, elevators, window washers, air conditioners, N scale computers... Much more prototypical that way! F 😛
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Fred.....:p Guess Who?
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g-pa1
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Hey air conditioners, window washers elevators!!?? I only got the shaft with that kit.(lol). Gene
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janesew
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Gene :D F 😛
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