10-12-2024 04:33 PM
Hi eBay Team and Fellow Sellers,
I have a suggestion that I believe would enhance the buying and selling experience for books on eBay. Currently, when listing a book as “Pre-Owned,” the specific condition (e.g., Acceptable, Good, Very Good, Like New) is not immediately visible next to the “Pre-Owned” label.
I propose that eBay displays the specific condition of the book right next to the “Pre-Owned” label. For example:
• Pre-Owned (Acceptable)
• Pre-Owned (Good)
• Pre-Owned (Very Good)
• Pre-Owned (Like New)
This change would provide buyers with clearer information at a glance and could potentially improve sales for sellers by making listings more transparent.
Thank you for considering this suggestion!
Best regards,
Phoenixbird369
10-15-2024 07:16 AM
It's gonna fall on deaf ears.
eBay wouldn't do that. If they do, they would want you to pay extra.
eBay is kind of lazy. When I search "Nora Robert Books Lot", they would display all Robert Nora Books, including title without LOT, a single book.
eBay is a frustrating flea market, and my listings are mostly invisible.
10-19-2024 11:48 AM
Courtesy of The Vermont Antiquarian Bookseller's Association:
AB Bookman's Weekly, which ceased publication in 1999, was for decades the Bible of the antiquarian book trade. Included in every issue AB Bookman's after 1949 was a set of criteria for grading the condition of used books. AB's definitions of "Very Fine" (or "As New"), "Fine", "Very Good, "Good", "Fair", and so forth have become pretty much the industy standard. One should keep these descriptions in mind when buying old books, or when bringing in books for appraisal or sale.
TERMS DESCRIBING BOOK CONDITION
VERY FINE or AS NEW (abbreviated "VF") ~ Very Fine means the book is in the same immaculate condition as when it emerged from the bindery. There are no defects or marks, and the dustjacket (if it was issued with one) must be perfect and without any tears. In short, it is a copy that is close to perfect in every respect. It should be noted that in the real world, Very Fine books are relatively uncommon, and that most Antiquarian Booksellers use Fine as their highest condition grading.
(The term "As New", when it is used, is really an informal grading category, as are the colloquial terms "Mint" and "Gift Quality".)
FINE (abbreviated "F") ~ Fine is marginally less than perfect, and may designate a book that is still new, or a book that has been carefully read. The use of the term Fine (as compared to Near Fine or Very Good) often depends on when the book was published. A recent book should have no notable defects at all. But the dustjacket of a Fine older book may have a small closed tear, or be a little rubbed, even a bit worn at the edges. Such defects, if present, must be minor and should always be noted.
(Note also that a book may be new and unread, but it may have aged on the shelf to the point of being considered Near Fine or even Very Good. Similarly a unique 200-year-old book might be viewed as "Fine", while a recent book in the exact same condition could only be described as "Very Good".)
NEAR FINE (abbreviated "NF") ~ Somewhere between Very Good and Fine. The distinction is usually in the eye of the bookseller and involves minor defects (which must be described). Near Fine is generally meant to inform the customer that the book's condition is excellent but "not quite Fine".
VERY GOOD (abbreviated "VG") ~ Very Good can describe a used book that shows shelfwear and visible signs of having been read. Its dustjacket may be rubbed, chipped, or even missing small pieces, but it should generally be clean and bright, depending on how old it is. The book should always be clean and tight, and the overall appearance should be of a desirable copy. A very old book may show some foxing. The description of a Very Good book ought to include all notable flaws.
GOOD (abbreviated "G") ~ Good describes the average used and worn book that has all pages or leaves present. A Good book may be cocked, have loose joints, and be missing a dustjacket. But it must be complete, clean, and worth keeping. Its value will be a fraction of a Fine copy, unless it is very scarce.
READING COPY ~ A Reading Copy is a book whose principle value is that the text is complete and legible, such that the book can still be read and enjoyed before it is thrown away. There are three descriptive categories that define the condition of Reading Copies -- Fair, Poor, and Ex-Library:
FAIR ~ Fair is a worn book that has complete text pages (including those with maps or plates) but may lack endpapers, half-title, etc. (which must be noted). The binding, spine, and dustjacket (if any) may also be worn or even torn & repaired. At this point internal marks may be acceptable, depending on their quantity and nature (pencil is more acceptable than ink or marker) and the scarcity of the book. Occasionally you will find a book that has marginal notations throughout, but the notations are by a famous person. In that case, the marks increase the value of the book.
POOR ~ Poor describes a book that is sufficiently worn that its only merit is as a Reading Copy because it does have the complete text, which must be legible. Any missing maps or plates should still be noted. This copy may be soiled, scuffed, stained or spotted and may have loose joints, hinges, pages, etc. If your Poor book is a common title, the best thing to do is throw it away and buy a better one.
EX-LIBRARY ~ Ex-library books are notable because they have been defaced by librarians, who love to despoil them with labels, rubber stamps, card pockets, and even inked numbers and shellac on the spine. Sometimes you will find the most beautiful new and unread nonfiction book discarded by a library because no one ever checked it out! The uncirculated copies, while attractive to scholars, generally don't have much value unless they are very scarce or were published in the 19th century and earlier.
10-19-2024 01:06 PM
Before joining eBay in 2011, I used the AB Bookman's grading guide religiously, and I still do for books that are not listed on eBay.
But eBay's book grading guide is laughable, especially when it comes to the eBay grade for books in "Very Good" condition: "Very Good -- A book that does not look new and has been read but is in excellent condition. No obvious damage to the cover, with the dust jacket (if applicable) included for hard covers. No missing or damaged pages, no creases or tears, and no underlining/highlighting of text or writing in the margins. May be very minimal identifying marks on the inside cover. Very minimal wear and tear. See the seller’s listing for full details and description of any imperfections."
So, according to eBay's grading guide, a Very Good book must be "in excellent condition," with "No obvious damage to the cover. . ." and ". . .no creases or tears. . .," with "Very minimal wear and tear" -- in other words, what most antiquarian booksellers would describe as a higher grade than Very Good -- and closer to Near Fine.
Under eBay's grading guide, then, many of the books which antiquarian booksellers are grading as Very Good would not pass the eBay grading test, since most books in Very Good condition in the REAL world have "obvious damage to the cover," including "creases or tears," with the amount of wear and tear associated with a median range book of less than Fine condition.
Thus, it has been necessary for me to downgrade many of my Very Good (and higher) books, to only eBay's "Good" condition, based upon even the slightest cover defects, in order to avoid the dreaded NAD cases.
The result has been that many of my buyers have been subsequently surprised to receive a book which they find in much better condition than eBay permits.
And how about eBay's definition of a Good condition book: "Good -- A book that has been read but is in good condition." Did no one at eBay bother attending any English courses, to understand the concept of circular definitions?
"A circular definition is a type of definition that uses the term(s) being defined as part of the description or assumes that the term(s) being described are already known. Circular definitions may be unhelpful if the audience must either already know the meaning of the key term, or if the term to be defined is used in the definition itself."
In other words -- If the eBay definition for "Good" is "Good," then it becomes entirely subjective to the individual writing the listing, and may conflict entirely with what a buyer may consider to be "Good."
So I agree entirely -- eBay should dump their significantly flawed book grading guide, and simply adapt the AB Bookman's guide, in order to be more reflective of the real antiquarian book community.
But I won't hold my breath.
10-20-2024 01:36 PM
First let me respond to the original notion.
There is not a single book that has been sold since Gutenberg that was not pre-owned at the time it was first sold: ownership attaches to the publisher before the book is assembled; to the distributor after it has left the printing plant; to the warehouser once the distributor breaks the pallets down; to the franchise and/or store owner.
And all the while these books are "New" by another definition.
That definition includes torn dust jackets, banged corners, dented edges and a host of other damage that can and does occur while the book is on offer to the "first" owner.
Next: three of the four people (excluding me) are contributors to this board for almost 25 years.
The first discussion that I ever read on this board was a proposal from a serious bookseller about an OASIS program that was to standardize grading calls (as Stan elucidated) into a system that people new to collecting and selling could understand, rely on and use.
I remember one such standard for "FINE" would require the book to fall closed on its own power when opened to 45 degrees. Well that started a kerfluffle, and the discussions went on for weeks with no consensus except that herding cats might be easier than herding booksellers.
And at that point eBay barely allowed a single picture.
Visibility, and sales, depends a lot more on keywords (as it has always done) than grading or anything else.
eBay is lazy. So are the book slingers who put their grading call in their listing headline. If you want more visibility, get rid of all the silly "articles", "prepositions", and such you can and replace it with a word with a hook. It doesn't take a long study of the Terapeak results to come up with the best keywords for any particular title. And if that doesn't work, read something.
And that's the thing: this is a job. Work it. To the OP: the fact that you are thinking about this sort of thing is a good sign. Best to stick to what you can do something about, tho'. eBay wants a single table for the database of conditions, and have worked tirelessly to strain, chop, dice and mangle absolutely everything under the sun into the same 5 single word grade calls.
Remember: pictures of the flaws count. The count a lot more than grade calls. I can't tell you how many times I have listed a book at nearly twice (or more) the price of another book by a lazy seller with a stock picture because I take the 25 seconds to take a half dozen more of each book.
11-25-2024 08:06 PM
You are absolutely correct,
If a book is of merit Ebay grading is laughable, and a detriment to selling. A detailed condition report is essential to get the full value for a book. Having used AB/Bookman's Weekly grading going back to the time when I filled wants for booksellers all over the US I can testify that the system worked in describing condition in a way which was foolproof so long as the buyers and seller were knowledgeable booksellers.
IMO it is too complex or requires too much rigor for its use among many Internet booksellers.