@gamersbaystore wrote:
The policy is deranged and should NOT exist at all. Whoever designed this psychotic policy is morally bankrupt at best.
Please explain to me the logic of punishing sellers based on the opinions of buyers. As it stands, anytime a buyer claims an item is not as described, ebay just takes their word for it and sellers have no way to defend themselves at all.
I offer free 30 day returns, yet buyers still lie about the reasons for their returns anyway.
ebay is now stating they're going to punish sellers for having too many INR's, yet sellers have NO control over the garbage delivery estimates ebay feeds buyers. ebay ignores shipping policies entirely, that is a fact.
There is no logic to reprimanding sellers because your buyers are lying, deceitful thieves.
Your executives have nothing but contempt for humanity and it shows.
Clearly you didn't read through some parts of this thread. I would say "deranged" was the Congressional Committee charged with The Safe Shopping Act and Informs Act which sought to fine any online unauthorized point of sale/exchange that had trademark terminology in offerings. As was reported by numerous legal entities it would spell the end of eBay, Mercari, Etsy, Craigslist, FB Marketplace and others standing as a foundation by which other nations can derive from.
That legislation was shot down, it is back, I've watched the public sessions. Contractors and not "rinky dinks" by any means representing many brands have testified before the Committee. They cited that counterfeit products sold to consumers online rival in earnings that of the drug trade. The INFORMS Act was deployed as a mechanism to hopefully cut down on defrauded consumers, according to the Committee its been ineffective and thus they seek to legislate into law a new altered Safe Shopping Act citing Counterfeiting and Consumer Fraud in respect to hard goods commerce. Its is by no means the only area of fraud, there is Identity, eCommerce, Investment, Lotteries and Sweepstakes and others. Annual figures are claimed to range in the 200 Billion dollar area at low estimate and some claim closer to one Trillion dur to what goes unreported and is escalating. Now do you understand magnitude?
eCommerce Hard Goods sit at #2 according to Governments.
Now all that said, talk of protecting sellers from bad buyers ok? Yes. Problem and its not only a problem at eBay or Amazon or Etsy. Large Retail has stated 48 Billion Dollars of fraud perpetraited on them in 2023. That's essentially 5 times eBay's total value as a company and doesn't take into account a global portion of online retailers and small businesses. At said committee hearings it was said that two in three Americans had been "Taken" online purchasing merchandise through third party venues Amazon at the top of that list and mainly receiving counterfeit product as the largest impactor.
Manufacturers of products refuse to give points of sale the detailed data to spot counterfeit items and hire these external firms to do that work and give them the data. Those firms have developed automated software that does just that and of course don't wish either give Amazon, eBay or others such data access, essentially puts them out of business yet they wont say that but its obvious. Instead the manufacturers cite they dont want said data which is engineering data in the hands of third party venues for fear of misuse and trust.
With me?
Are you saying, "Well sure... Counterfeiting is a problem but its not like a RAGING problem!"
Wrong. eBay itself in 2022 blocked and removed over 88 Million suspect listings from the site. Amazon has even bigger problems. Now we all know the lions share of counterfeiting takes place in China and according to this thread, this "BBE" program is targeted at Southeastern Asia. It may well roll out to other domains but its LIKELY due to the fact that the US Government and many a nation around the globe want third party online commerce dead.
The FTC reported in 2022, 8.8 Billion Dollars of Internet fraud complaints filed, The FBI has it over 10 Billion, thats the USA only. 2023 will surely be higher again and again, this is whats reported which is surely far less than goes unreported. Authorities and Governments expend money and resources in the pursuit of these problems and complaints not to mention the impacts on as a WHOLE (sellers/retailers/consumer) economically globally.
On one side of the fence there are third party venues attempting protect you're rights to sell anything online. On the other side there is Global Governments, Consumer Protection entities, Retailers, Distributorships, Manufacturers and more... Those entities basically think, "If third party commerce is eliminated or so highly regulated online Counterfeiting, consumer fraud and resources expended in the pursuit thereof are solved."
Government here in the USA wants get the revised Safe Shopping Act into law of the land and that become the basis for other nations to legislate from. Once made law well, legislators love nothing better than to amend as getting law OFF the books is far far far more formidable to accomplish. Then they can amend perhaps putting the Trademarks Terms portions back in and fining points of sale or perhaps even sellers.
What's Trademark Terms. That means if use the word "Topps" for a sport cars, point of sale or you be fined and its not "Topps has to complain," no. Its law, you cant use it or you break the law. "Onsies" is a trademark term, "All Wheel Drive" is a trademark term from Subaru as an example.
eBay is not Draconian, eBay is in fact and has been in fact the protector of third party commerce for over 20 years. eBay doesn't have the luxury that you do flying under the radar selling Kung Fu Panda Bluray DVD. Surely the rights holder of said content would rather nobody be able sell pre-owned DVD's so they can sell new ones only and cite ancient legislation of First Sale Doctrine. Even when you sell over at Mercari you do so at literally the luxury of eBay being the #1 defender of third party online commerce. Mercari and Etsy etc have been able to BE having flown under the wings of what eBay has staved off for over 20 years.
Yes, Amazon's in the mix too. But there is a difference, Amazon is a retailer and is agile enough to adjust even to this Trademark stuff as they already have arrangements with manufacturers. They would need all third party product THEY ACCEPT to come in FBA and literally, they'd rule the third party eCommerce roost. Sellers do what they say or they have no place to sell, just like that. It's why law firms said Amazon be the big winner if the first incarnation of The Safe Shopping Act had come to be law of the land NOR did Amazon speak out against it.
So why preytel hasn't Mercari, Etsy, eBay made announcements to the user memberships?
I can think of a thousand reasons not to mention "Slapping the Tigers in the mouth."
But sellers here are generally quite DAFT, they dont pay attention to reporting sites be that retail associations, Forbes, other's or for that matter even those revolving around eCommerce of Amazon, eBay, Mercari and others... No, they sit in a shell and blame eBay for anything they can possibly can wrongfully so.
That's the truth whether you choose believe it or not. I do pay attention, I read everyday. I dont read everyday based on my personal sales concerns. I read everyday because I choose to be informed of things of interest to me which includes credible global news, not the tripe that ever so many Americans "Choose to believe" because it fits the narrative they prefer true or false, more often false. Sheep ain't too bright and that why all it takes is a well trained Dog to move them where the Shepherds please they move.
Ya know I used one time think was cool see my Ex, a Politician charm the sox of anyone and then if she so choose chew em' up like a rabid dog tearing away at a dried Pigs ear. She bait em' and shoot em' with words as she knew what she was talking about and 99.5% of the general public (thats 1 in 100) would look like a complete idiot, angry as can be as she prove them wrong in statement, knowledge, mindset, the works. Be in a room with 250 people and she'd put questions out, there'd always be a handful pipe up loudly... That gifted her the handful that she needed, be sweet as can be speaking to them in front of that crowd. They be so proud, happy, and matter of fact on their breadth of thought and statement. As she ask questions she learn, maybe one of em' knows there stuff, 99.5% time, not at all. Then she lead em' by question exactly where she want em' and chew em' up in front of the 245 people. OH THEY GET ANGRY!
But those 245 other people LEARN SOMETHING as now she had audience and they pay attention to her hanging on every word. Most of the time those handful she'd eat storm out of the room and she make joke of it.
We live in a reactionary culture my friend, and I mean that... "Friend." Unlike my ex, I dont want anyone angry or despising me. In fact it was in part why we split among other things. I consider you a "Friend" and as a friend its important that ALL OF US in this community understand what's really going on and why a company be that Etsy, eBay, Amazon, on and on are not bringing the issues FORWARD to all of us. It's because people are UNINFORMED not to mention how much damage be done period. All you have to do friend is look at Social Media, it has become THE destructive power towards America perhaps the greatest nation even to be on this planet. Yet via social media rip itself apart in ways no generation has ever saw, not even in the days of Mr. Abraham Lincoln and folks eat up like drunken arrogant beasts who all believe THEY ARE PRESIDENT or should be. They can't discern truth from lie and refuse to take the time to even learn as that interrupts lifestyles and might not be what they care hear or believe. I guess would could say that's always been the human condition be it spirituality, culturally or even science but the Internet has put all of it on steroids.
Government care less about you being some small seller, that makes you chaff. Manufacturers care, retailers care as if folks are buying you're stuff ain't buying their new stuff. I think any of us probably feel the same way if that stuff were our stuff? Yes? But government does care about expending resources and consumers being taken. Government does care that retailers are being taken. Again, they think eliminating these "Freedom points of sale" or regulating them so heavily that many a problem is conquered. Maybe they are right, maybe wrong, but I can tell you that losses of these types of freedoms dont stop there. That's the history of the world. So please, before stomping all over eBay for them having to react to things not of their doing take a moment of pause and understand whats at stake.
