Can someone please help me identify this tool bit of some kind and approximate age, if known. They are all marked W&B (in a triangle) U.S.A. They are magnetized - the largest is 2-3/4", the other two are 2". Thanks so much in advance.
I have a star shaped trinket box that I want to put up for sale.
There are currently 4 boxes up for sale on ebay, 3 appear to be identical to mine, one is different.
1 is listed as cut glass, 1 is listed as pressed glass (this is the different one), and 2 are listed as lead crystal (1 of which has a sticker that says Lead Crystal).
The prices vary from $5 to $25.
How can I tell what mine is? There are no markings at all. Here is a photo of it.
Just recently started receiving the following pop up box after loading individual auction pages. After the page loads, it creates the pop up, almost as if something is failing to load or there is a command being executed.
Can't get rid of it. Been using eBay flawlessly for the past couple months...
Small pin wuith a picture of man Seymour, do you know who this is ? Back Pat Appl For. I belive this is from the Victorian era. thank you for any help.
Checked thru the floral motif section on ddoty but couldn't locate this. Anyone know? Thanks for the help.
Hi looking for help with this acoustic guitar. Not sure on age or maker as it is completely unmarked for a company name. Has no headstock label or paper label on the inside. I can see very very faint numbering on the inside at the neck base, can only read 34(23??). I have read that with no labels it could be a fake or a copy? Any help is appreciated.
A buyer offered me a "best offer" offer. After looking at the acceptance page, it mentions best offers are not paid in advance. How does this work?
This what it says--
|Immediate payment is not offered with best offer at this time. If you accept this offer you will receive payment through other payment methods.|
A friend found this in our local thrift store today - it was $49.95 but it was also 1/2 price day so he got it for $25! I bought it from him for $50 + 20% of whatever it may bring when sold.
Thrift store casino my friend said when he agreed to the 20%!
I know it's in rough condition, but the details the artist was able to convey in the faces made me think this had to be by a known artist; add to that the age of it - and I gambled with $50 (a lot in this thrift store)
I greatly appreciate any information.
Hi, anybody know what this is? It looks like serpents, what is it used for? Thank you.
Your help would be appreciated !
I think the one on the right is a Ford Mercury ?
I typed in Corning Ware Blue Cornflower, and this little clickable gem showed up above the first listing. Then I tried to duplicate it, and couldn't make it happen again! Anyone else run across it yet?
I'm still searching, but thought I'd ask here, too. Does anyone know this mark? A curve, then H & E (or B). Thanks for any assistance.
Hello, i recently purchased this listing
However, when the package arrived today, the RAM inside was only rated to run at 2400 instead of 3000. Did i just get ripped off?
I have tried filing for returns via My eBay purchase history but i received the following message;
You can't open a return on eBay for this item
We can't process your request to return this item because the item wasn't purchased on the US eBay site. Please contact the seller directly to return this item or see whether you qualify for eBay Money Back Guarantee.
What should i do?
I was wondering if anyone has seen this mark before. It looks like a man holding and kissing someone, I've never seen anything like it.
The pin is also marked "STERLING" on the back.
Thanks for any help
Good morning everyone
It's all of us, isn't it? It does not matter your operating system, your device, or your version update on the browsers, it seems like eBay is using seventh-grade tech majors to tinker with their site! Every few seconds this box pops up with the demand free to push OK before you can do another thing. Fix it, eBay! Fix it, *NOW* iPLEASE?!?
Hello, I need help.
I ordered gryphon integrated amplifier and paid 5000 Euro but seller sent me garbage.
I requested return and tried to contact seller but no answered.
Even seller's address is different between his address information and labeled address.
How can I settle this problem?
I've had no success determinging the origin of these two large pots. (12" to 15" tall) Hoping somone can point me in the right direction.
I posted this on the Jewelry Group Sharing Topic and it was suggested I post here.
Size is 10 3/8 long x 6 3/4 wide x 3 3/4 tall.
I tried to research on my own but could find no info about impressed numbering for this Pottery Maker.
Thanks for all help provided
Measures about 1 1/4" by 1 1/2" and marked SC, I researched andfound Silver Cloud, but doesn't seem like their style, or Sarah Cov for that matter-if they even signed with initials only. Anyone know this brand? Thanks for looking/help
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Happy Friday, Guys!!!
Would you call this a Maltese cross?
Any special keywords I should use when listing?
How should I describe the chain?
I found this in a bag full of old prints - including a photogravure the board helped me with yesterday. On this one, there are names/signatures at lower left (which I figured out was the original painter) & right under the artwork - but there is also names below both of those in each lower corner!
So, if anyone can tell me - Is this a print, etching, or photogravure; and how can a lay person tell? And also who did this piece (besides the original painter) - It is beautiful & powerful!
It has both Grave' par (like Gravure?) & Diagraphe et Pentographe et Gavard in different places
It also has an indention all around from where the plate was pressed into the paper
I appreciate any help - I am going to have to learn what each one is in this bag full of old art, or I'm going to end up selling them as a lot & probably lose $.
Snake Chain? Costume Bracelet Turquoise color stones. Looking for age? and how to describe it
Any info would be helpful. Thanks!
I have a glass plate which has a chip but the chipped part is still attached to the plate. A chip that hasn't broken away. It can't be felt when running the tip of the fingers over it, but a fingernail does catch on the edge. Is there an appropriate term for this kind of flaw? A percussion mark perhaps?
Here's a photo:
I'm thinking by the way it looks on the back it's glass? Thanks for help
Does anyone know anything about this Waterbury clock? It measure 15" x 22" x 5.5"? The front has an appliquéd image of a ship with flags. Any information would be greatly appreciated.
I have 6 of these stems and am going nuts trying to identify them. I think the blank is Fostoria although in the book I have it is hand drawn. The glass is done in a series of 'panels'....optic? As for the etching, I can't find it in the few books I have, or on the chat about glass site. It looks simple enough - perhaps generic? Any help will be greatly appreciate it.
Hello - I have an antique Tiffany locket that was my grandmother's. On the side of the locket it is marked "MADE IN ITALY" "TIFFANY & CO" "STERLING".
Then on the loop it is marked "925" and what looks like "302".
Any ideas on what the 302 means or the age?
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comment le recupere merci a vous!
I am trying to upload my FileExchange, keeping gettign the errorCode 37|10009
"Error - Input data for tag Duration> is invalid or missing. Please check API
here is the error message I keep getting
Here is my FileExchange upload file, i only have 1 product on it to try to get the templete to work
Is this a snake chain ? Not stones maybe glass.,1990's? Magnetic clasp.
Can anyone make out the signature on this piece? Also what is it?? I looked up CAVES PETRISSAN but all I found was its a restaurant in Paris - is this a advertising piece?
I'm hoping someone can help me with a still sealed, vintage bottle of L'origan De Coty perfume that I recently purchased from an estate. I'm not sure of it's age or amount that this bottle originally held (measures approx. 2.5" tall). It's housed in a sturdy cardboard box with a tassel on top. It seems to have had a stamp attached beside the tassel and still has a bit left that reads, "France". I'm also not sure if the bottle was designed by Baccarat (?). The bottom reads, "Coty France" and has, "104" and an unlined d.
I would appreciate any and all help.
Thanks in advance for any suggestions.
Does it look familiar to anyone?
I can't resist pottery faces, so I brought this one home today. It is signed - looks like Lott. At first I thought he was a bit lopsided but after I took pics of the profiles I think it could really be 2 different faces on purpose. What do you guys think?. I have been searching Lott Pottery but no luck. Just wondering if anyone had seen this mark before. Thanks so much for your help.
help! who made my lamp?
I was looking to buy a car for my son and inquired about two. They both had the same song and dance:
A buyer started/asked to return an item on 6/20 and i agreed to accept the return. In the return details it had said the buyer has till 6/27 to ship it back,it no longer says that... Well a week or so went by and i never got it so i figured he decided to keep the item and the return would time out... Well now i am getting this message for the second time from ebay...(below) At first i just ignored it and figured i'll just wait till the refund times out like the last time this happened. Then i reread the begining and it's got me nervous.
What concerns me is it says that the buyer has indicated he shipped it and i should refund by 7/26 once i receive it. So far he has not added a tracking number,and i have not recieved the item back. Then i notice below the big blue "issue refund" button it says "If the item hasn't arrived yet,the buyer may not be returning it." WHAT! Thought the buyer indicated he has shipped it...
I'm afraid to contact the buyer because i don't really want to refund,i just offer refunds as part of the hoop jumping to keep the TRS benifits. I'm also afraid to call CS and have them refund the buyer via some new policy... What happens on/after 7/26? Does he get an automatic refund? I'm i over thinking this? Will this just time out?
I found this fairly old watercolor painting that is signed illegibly. It is probably from the 60's or so. It is framed and measures about 22" by 16" By any chance, can someone make out the name? Thank you in advance
Can someone please help translate these Slavic(?) inscription?
I wonder if there any way for me to protect myself in case of problems. Buyer used Global Shipping program so I was not aware where item went to. Not that I should - buyer should check for such things when he's buying items working from AC power. It was listed in US and info about voltage ratings is visible on pictures/packaging. Its rated 110V 60hz and in UK where he lives is 230V 50Hz.
He simply burned item by trying to use it with such high voltage. He just received it today and send message claimed its defective. I explained about voltage, but not sure what I should do if buyer will keep insisting that item I sent is defective. It was new in package, never used, and US buyers didnt had any problems with it. Im sure it was working fine until it was plugged in 230V.
There is a strange Rating and text appearing within my listing - I don't know how this happened, although I've seen it on other seller's listings (cell phone). Does anyone know how to remove it? or how to keep it from happening again?
Here's what it says: (copied exactly, warts and all)
iteam was exact as it was posted, great saller.
the iteam was exact as it was posted. great saller.its a great phone you. if anyboday wants to buy the same iteam they should buy it without any doubt. beacue saler is bery honest
Hi to all.
I seem to remember that there is a way to set up a listing for a specified buyer. The Specified One then purchases the item that I, as seller, and SpecOne have agreed upon prior to listing. That way we both (in reality mostly SpecOne) have eBay/PayPal protection which would not prove true if we do some sort of off-eBay transaction.
Am I dreaming this? If not, can someone let me know how to do this type of listing or just point me to the eBay how-to instructions which I cannot seem to find?
My mail carrier ignores my ebay packages in the mailbox. He puts the daily delivery of my bills and other stuff on top or in front of my ebay shipments. He has done this 6 times so far. I intend to video him today.
Can I get him transferred or something? If he does not like to do the job I'm sure others would like the opportunity!
I'm aware that I can't add any seller inserts, can't have the eBay logo on my label and all that, but I have a question about the packaging itself.
I recently ordered some shipping boxes off of amazon, and it looks like on the bottom they all have a barcode, made in the USA, and the name of the company that made them. Will the post office mark any media mail packages I send out as payment due because of this? And if so, is there any legal way for me to cover up parts of a box? Maybe by gluing paper to it or something. I don't believe a shipping lable would be big enough to cover all of it.
Thanks for any and all advice.
I think I know the answer to my question but you never know.
I wish we could go back further than 60 days to look at items we've sold in the past. Many times I'll need to relist an item but I can't view it to relist it.
I tried doing a search for my item and listing all the 'sold' like items to see if it's there but it'll be too old so not listed.
Please advise if there is a way to go look at older than 60 day listings?
I really lost on this transaction. I will be refunded for the cost of the item, but I might never recover the cost of postage.
So I bought a Samsung Gear S smartwatch and I saw that the seller had a best offer option. I go make him an offer and he accepts. After he accepted I paid him with a vanilla visa gift card through PayPal and it went through l believe. I asked him if he had a screen protector to add to the order he said no and he asked if I still wanted the item. I said of course he then said he'll pack it nicely and ship it out asap (this was on 7/10/16. bought it this same day). A day later I asked if he started shipping he now said he was waiting for funds to clear on PayPal ( I don't really know what this means. Anyways). On the same day I asked if he could show me a picture of the device or shipping box because he made another identical listing like the one I bought from ( I asked because I felt I was getting scammed that or either I was to impatient and paranoid. Anyhow) he did not respond. I forgot which day probably 2 or 3 days later he starts shipping via usps media mail with no tracking number (How am I supposed to know if did actually send the item. The eBay estimated delivery date is July 14-21. Finally on July 19 this guys says "Somehow the USPS damage the box and shipment and did a Return to sender on it when I opened it the screen has a crack now so I got to argue with them to get them to cover damages in the meantime my apologies please cancel your order and I will refund you your money". This guy has a star rating of 112 all good as a buyer but none as a seller. I don't know if I should believe him and cancel my order (I don't even know how to do this) or report him. I have bought over 50 things on eBay and this hasn't happened. I have also bought from people with 0 ratings of any kind and still deliver it without any problems. Did I get scammed or am I being very paranoid or what, please help! Sorry for rambling on to much just very much worried.
So I ordered a lanyard and recieved the envelope it was supposedly in. The lanyard itself is not present but the "cut-out" that comes with the lanyard itself is the only thing there and is not damaged, even though it is easily damaged when removed from the lanyard. I have a similar lanyard in a different style from this one with the same cutout so I know that the cutout itself gets scratched just removing it from the lanyard clip if you're not careful.
Since this is an envelope, I'm not sure if I can even file a shipping claim with the USPS and I want to file a claim since the item I paid for isn't even in there.
Hopefully the images upload.
Hi,there.Yesterday i was going to list my bass guitar here on ebay and did search about same or similar models beforehand and i was in shock...the very first dislpayed item was MY bass,listed by someone else.The catch is,that this same bass is still mine and i have not sold to anyone,in fact i played on it last night,anyway.I have two advertises put on local forums attached with pictures,which have been past-copyed here - they are very same.So,i did not list my bass here,because there is problem obviously.I do not know the guy who selling here,never met,never talk,never sold him ot her, nothing.I have stop my local advertises on purpose and just wonder what would be if someone wnats to buy my bass from the guy who not possess it and click on buy button here?It is ridiculous.What if im not selling it to anyone because of this case?
I could not list it,because it is going to looks very suspicious -very same bass guitar ,so i think that ebay staffs should do something,but the problem is i do not speak english very well,so i have to communicate trough messages with them,but i could not find how.I want to sell my bass here,but this situation is ridiculous.
Here is the link to it - http://www.ebay.com/itm/Yamaha-BB1000-bass-guitar-P-style-vintage-Japan-80s-/172273025898?hash=item281c45c36a:g:xqgAAOSwboVXOvr8 ,the guy is someone dud1t0
I could provide more pictures or any kind of information etc.,if someone need them.
Any help,answer what to do would be appreciated .
Thanks a lot.
I am new seller here on ebay. I've just began to set up a business, and of course before registering here, I watched a couple of videos and read of articleson how to begin my business. One of the things that kept being mentioned is free shipping and how everybody love it. As a buyer I agree I like it as well, however I perfectly understand that even if the shipping is free it has to be included in the product.
So the question is a postage fee such a major turn off that will make buyers stop from considering buying your item? It's understandable if you have to pay almost same amount for postage that you pay for the item. What if the postage is just a couple of bucks?
I could have taken it away and just include in the price of the item, however then I won't be able to offer combined shipping and stuff.
I will appreciate your responses.
I've recently just started the Ebay Store. I was inspired by other entrepreneurs that resell clothing and how they make over $2,000 in 60 days. I thought it would be so easy and now I'm relaizing you have to be patient lol. I don't get much views or anything. Any ideas to help raise the views up?
So I received this offer for an item Im selling and got this huge sob maybe story ,and was told this item wasnt able to be found on the big world of internet shopping ."scratches Head " and would i consider lowering price...So after some research the item wasn't found by myself either ,,,decided to mark it up ...anyway Im new but not Stew....and the buyer would have been a 1st time buyer so they couldnt have bought from me based on my polices ,,and I was wondering if this is common for some one to see the value and try to low ball you just to get it from you on the cheap to resale
Can I sell a partially burned candle on EBay?
I am new to selling and I am trying to sell my laptop, but I keep getting scammed by buyers with zero feedback. I even got scammed by a buyer who had a feedback score! I must have had 10 offers in 2 days, all that were bogus. Is this common?
I just modified my seller preferences to prevent buyers with a negative feedback score or no paypal account to bid on my computer, but I don't think it's helped.
Any help would be appreciated!!!
I have ordered an item from a chinese relesser but canceled it within few minutes, the cancelation request has been pending for about 2 days and there is no messages from eBay, can the reseller actually decline the cancelation?? or will ebay cancel the order anyway??
seller agreed to cancel my order. i paid threw pay pal. how long before i get my refund. the order was never shipped.
Is it possible to change listings that have ended with 14 day policy to a 30 day policy? Seems that I cannot even change to advanced tool using the re-list option. It is quite inconvenient to re-upload all the pictures to change from a 14 day to a 30 day policy.
if someone makes a best offer does it affect shipping fees?
Trying to list a book, but the only economy option is Fed Ex smart post. Anyone else having this prob?
I understand how to exclude AK or HI, or to set up "local only" selling, but how do I exclude states I don't want to sell to/ship to?
Hi everyone. I only have 1 account active science 2013 but have 100% positive feedback (104)* no neutral and no negative. I have had only 10 items allowed per month for 45 days. How can I have it increased? It is very frustrating. I would really appreciate any advice.
Sold an item and received a message from buyer in the note section. It said deliver to side door. Do I write that on the shipping label after I print it also?
I just received a purchase of 3 stuffed animals marked new. The seller had them packaged in an old box that wasn't completely sealed. 1 items is damaged and they all smell really musty and moldy. Very strong odor. Can I return? what do I have to do? Does seller pay for postage? The box is so damaged I'd have to buy a new box as well. What's the best way to do this. I havn't gotting feedback from seller yet will he be able to leave me negative feedback for requesting a return?
I tried to pay for an item with my credit card, it seems that my transaction was failed. Could you please help?
**bleep** I refunded the item and there still 25$ fee that i have to pay but i refunded it DF
Hi to all,i am newbie here and a have just a few qustion.I saw releated trheads but they not copmlete my answer. Shortly I send parcel to United state with Express priority mail after 2days war received in UNited state USPS facility station and then delay the parcel 20-25 day.When i check track number after few days ago it states i saw Reason : Incorrect Address, Measure : Item returned to sender.Recheck adress info and a have no mistake.The buyers is waiting so long and finnaly will not receive parcel.What i have in this case?Reclamation on the post office because is their fault or something else ? The buyers is established and buying many times all over the world with no incident.I will refund all funds for him,but who will refund my shipping cost ?
Thanks in advance for advice !
Seller offered to refund purchase price for an item I feel was misrepresented.
How do I print a return shipping label addressed to this seller?
Who pays for return shipping charges? (I already paid $4.01 shipping cost to purchase the item.)
When a seller lists free shipping and best offer option why does it then say offer does not include shipping ? Mike
Can I use multiple ebay gift cards to pay for a single transaction?
Is there a way to block an annoying person from sending messages, I am being harrased by someone wanting to lowball an item I have for sale. I have asked him to leave me alone with no effect.
I'm pretty new to selling here on eBay. I've already had a few successful sales, no problem, but today I received a refund request on an item 10 hours after I'd already shipped it and entered the USPS tracking information. I obviously plan to call both eBay and PayPal in the morning to try to figure this out, but I'm really worried that someone is trying to scam me and this situation has made me feel really putoff of the whole selling thing.
Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated. Thank you very much to anyone who reads and responds to this.
I purchased quantity 2 of an audio adapter. This is a small item. The listing says "Flat Rate Freight" from Saint Paul, Minnesota. I got notification on July 15 that it was shipped. My USPS dashboard has nothing about it.
What is "Flat Rate Freight"? Is it supposed to be USPS? Is it supposed to be for large items?
At the the bottom it says "Ships from China for FREE within 2-4 weeks.". Can they do that? Can they not disclose that at the top where I expect to see that information? I intentionally searched for a seller shipping from the US. Is this a valid reason for relevant negative feedback?
So I bought something from a seller on eBay a on 7/7/16. I payed through PayPal and eCheck from my bank account. It took about three days to clear, but the seller still hasn't shipped! They are located in China, but I think they should have gotten my payment by now. Over the past two weeks I've sent them three messages telling them to check through PayPal since my payment has cleared. But they keep insisting that it is pending. So I considered opening an "item not recieved case".
I just wanted to see if I could open an "Item not received case" through eBay but now I'm getting this message, "We're sorry there's an issue with your purchase. It doesn't look like this item has been paid for yet. If you've already paid for this item, you can ask your seller to mark the item as paid. If you haven't paid for the item yet, you can pay now." But my order is completely paid when I check PayPal so I won't even be able to open a case and the seller won't mark it as paid since they believe I haven't paid and keep insisting it's "pending" when it is not. I've also tried opening a case through PayPal and I'm getting the same result.
So I called eBay to make sure and they told me to call PayPal, so I called PayPal. PayPal confirmed that my order was cleared and completed but there is nothing on their end they can do about it. They said they are holding the funds because the seller hasn't shipped my order yet. They advised me to tell the seller to call their customer service, so I've sent the seller another message to call PayPal customer service. But I really don't know what to believe at this point. Not sure what to do because I can't get a refund if I don't file a case. Seems like I'm screwed.
Does Ebay allow the sale of DIY(Do it yourself) vhs tapes?
So I am new, 71 sales --- I get 100% positive stats on the seller hub
except for the tracking which is continuing to drop like to like 64%...making me think I am doing something wrong.???.
I sometimes dont use the ebay shipping labels ( i weigh things but dont always trust myself to pick the right shipping box size cost ect...)I sell different sizes/ records, books, so i usually use media mail?
so I pack it and go to the post office and then enter the tracking number myself in from the receipt...I have never been late to ship anything, In fact I usually get the item out the day they pay....I have had no issues with customers? Im afraid this will effect my "ratings"
Thanks anyone that can help me fix this?
I have a copy of the memo back in March 2016 from Kelly Sigmon, USPS VP Retail & Customer Service that states All eBay prepaid parcels MUST receive an acceptance scan.
Today I presented 4 packages (which is a large amount for me...) and was refused a scan. First the clerk cited a brand new memo from Washington DC, then I called the branch when I got home and spoke with the supervisor who said they are no longer required to do scans but if I wanted any done then I had to come in at 8 am... So I really think there is no 'new memo' about the scans and that the post office is not following procedure.
In addition, the supervisor said that no packages, even those left on the counter, would be scanned locally and that the first scan wouldn't be until the main post office (in this case Cleveland).
Before I take this to any next steps, I am curious if anyone else has a post office that has suddenly refused to do scans, citing new procedures.... I suspect there aren't any new procedures but still checking
I am not able to send any message to seller. The page is reporting "This message cannot be sent at this time.".
Is anyone else experiencing DEAD sales In july 2016? Worst summer on eBay since 1998!
You sellers need start taking action. I read thread after thread where sellers are getting scammed by buyers using SNAD the buyer gets the money refunded by ebay and the seller get a box of rocks shipped back to them at their expense. Why are sellers not calling the police and turning these scumbags for larceny, theift, fraud, mail fraud, (possibly precedded by the word grand or felony ) and the ebay employee who the made ruling on your case for aiding and abetting those crooks? They are theifs and need to be in prision where they belong. When ebay employees and buyers start getting fined / jail / prison time their tunes will change. Why are no sellers doing this? The police have internet crimes departments.
Just a note to all sellers out there! I am a seller, I clearly state on my auctions that i do NOT ship outside the USA...canadian buyer bids and wins, told her i do not ship there, refunded her, then she leaves negative feedback! called ebay, they wont remove it?! unfair, closing my account, had it with ebay ALWAYS sides with buyers.
Finally! A promo. I don't mind that it's auctions. It runs 7/21-7/27. Sorry I don't know how to take a screen shot, but I know someone here does.
Hello everyone. I have a question for Griff for today's chat, but I won't be able to attend.
According to Griff's auto-response e-mail:
I will be on sabbatical from August 1 to Sep 11, back in the office on Sep 12. I will have absolutely no access to email during that time.
Will someone please ask if there will be anybody filling in during those 6 weeks to host chat and/or to handle e-mail inquiries?
Is anyone else getting this annoying pop up box, all it has in it is "object Object" and pops up with EVERY listing I open, unsold, active, other users listings etc.
So the eCheck I asked about last week was declined by the buyer's bank (was notified this morning). It says they will try to have to clear again in three days.
eBay is showing it as paid and ready to ship, and I CANNOT change the paid status. So what is this going to count against me as a late shipment now because it's "ready to ship" and I haven't been paid?
I went into Paypal, shows as pending.
I've been communicating with the buyer what I see on my end (in case they don't know what's going on), and in case it turns into a problem transaction, so I've covered my bases with good communication.
I cancelled an order because I could not find the item, but I found the item...Ebay now has me on a below a