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Ebay showing my listings in random wrong categories with mangled titles & descriptions

I've been trying to figure out why my Ebay traffic and sales have been in steady decline for the past several weeks, and today I took a look to see what my Ebay listings are looking like in Google. What I discovered was both surprising and very frustrating, and I'm curious to know if any other sellers are seeing this.


I ran this search in google:

"patentearth" site:ebay.com


And in the first couple of pages of results I found pages like this: https://www.ebay.com/c/1633252074

This is a listing for a framed surfboard art print, and for some reason Ebay is showing it in the "Siberian Husky Collectibles" category. The listing title appears correctly on the page, but the title tag reads:

11 X 14 Print Red Siberian Husky Dog Surfer Dude Surf Surfboard Surfing Pop Art for sale online


W T F? "11 x 14" and "Red" appear to be partial snippets of randomly selected variations. The random Siberian Husky references are crammed in apparently because of the (incorrect) category association. And I have no idea where it's getting "Pop Art", that doesn't appear in the listing at all. Here's a screenshot showing the title tag and category:

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The description is borked too, they just took random sentences from the description and mashed them together. And if you click "See All", instead of expanding to display the description it takes you to a separate page showing NOTHING BUT the description. It's like this page was designed to be confusing to both human users and search engines alike.


But when I open go to my inventory in My Ebay and open the listing, I get this page which shows the listing looking perfectly normal: https://www.ebay.com/itm/253048995288


And of course I checked the listing to double check the category assignments, and they are also correct. It shows this item is linked only to the "Art Prints" category. Here's a screenshot:

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This is just one example, but I am finding several of these butchered & erroneous listings in Google's results. And I suspect that the fact that these garbage pages exist, and Google is finding and indexing these SEO nightmares, may at least partly explain why my traffic & sales are drying up.


Are any other sellers running into these listings? Can anybody on this discussion board that works for Ebay explain what is going on with these pages?

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@autopiacarcare  @patentearth  doug@ebay 

 

These URLs with "c" instead of "itm" appear to be some variation of eBay's catalog pages, which are horribly inaccurate with many listings linked to the incorrect catalog pages.

 

They are not the usual catalog pages that I see, which have multiple listings linked to them (many of which are for different items that should not be linked together). But still, this would appear to be an extension of the mess that the inaccurate catalog pages have created.

 

If you are correct, and there is a correlation to the category changes that were implemented earlier this month, then apparently they messed up the catalog even worse than it already was when those changes were made. 

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@patentearth the team will look into this and see what we can find out.

 


@patentearth wrote:

doug@ebay doug@ebay I will run it by support but it appears that I am not the only seller affected by this. And it definitely is not a browser issue.


 

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@lacemaker3 @autopiacarcare I was aware of problems with item specifics earlier this month but did not know there were category changes. Is there a list somewhere of affected categories?

I'm also seeing a lot of "Home & Garden" and "Collectibles" categories in my case, but have found a few others as well. Here's a couple of examples:

Another surfboard print, this one in Sportings Goods >> Surfing Equipment: https://www.ebay.com/c/1733255046

TP poster print in Arts & Crafts >> Card Making Supplies https://www.ebay.com/c/1000542283
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@patentearth wrote:
@lacemaker3@autopiacarcareI was aware of problems with item specifics earlier this month but did not know there were category changes. Is there a list somewhere of affected categories?

I'm also seeing a lot of "Home & Garden" and "Collectibles" categories in my case, but have found a few others as well. Here's a couple of examples:

Another surfboard print, this one in Sportings Goods >> Surfing Equipment: https://www.ebay.com/c/1733255046

TP poster print in Arts & Crafts >> Card Making Supplies https://www.ebay.com/c/1000542283

@patentearth  Art & Craft Supplies are technically under Toys.

 

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Not sure if Sporting Goods was one of the ones with recent changes.  I'll have to look deeper into that.

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The description is borked too, they just took random sentences from the description and mashed them together. And if you click "See All", instead of expanding to display the description it takes you to a separate page showing NOTHING BUT the description. It's like this page was designed to be confusing to both human users and search engines alike.


They've been doing that for a while and it's really counter-intuitive.

 

Going to the description instead of the description section of a listing is a bad idea for so many reasons.

 

Pulling bits and pieces out of the description is something they started a few years ago. The descriptions I see on mobile never make any sense. When you click to see the full description on mobile you can see that eBay pulled out random sections of text. If I'm remembering right, I think eBay pulls based on what they think are important key words, however I have found that they're hardly ever pulling out the relevant information.

 

What was referenced about "c" and "p" links I think is the difference between a catalog page and a product page.

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@patentearth wrote:
@lacemaker3@autopiacarcareI was aware of problems with item specifics earlier this month but did not know there were category changes. Is there a list somewhere of affected categories?

I'm also seeing a lot of "Home & Garden" and "Collectibles" categories in my case, but have found a few others as well. Here's a couple of examples:

Another surfboard print, this one in Sportings Goods >> Surfing Equipment: https://www.ebay.com/c/1733255046

TP poster print in Arts & Crafts >> Card Making Supplies https://www.ebay.com/c/1000542283

"Is there a list somewhere of affected categories?"

 

Yes here is a link to the list of new category changes which were apart of the fall seller update.

 

https://pages.ebay.com/sellerinformation/news/categorychanges.html 

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@lacemaker3@autopiacarcareI was aware of problems with item specifics earlier this month but did not know there were category changes. Is there a list somewhere of affected categories?
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The category changes were part of the Fall 2019 Seller Update, announced Sept 4, 2019. You can see all the announcments by clicking on Seller News > Announcements at the top of the page here in the eBay Community.

 

https://community.ebay.com/t5/Announcements/2019-Fall-Seller-Update/ba-p/30198871

 

https://pages.ebay.com/seller-center/seller-updates/2019-fall/inventory-optimization.html

 

The category changes were implemented on Oct 15, and caused major issues. There have been multiple updates about the situation since then.

 

 
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Another surfboard print, this one in Sportings Goods >> Surfing Equipment: https://www.ebay.com/c/1733255046


@patentearth  - I have a wild guess on the surf board one but take it with a grain of salt, it really is just purely a guess on my part.

 

I noticed the text in the tab on that one mentions Sock Monkey.  That makes me think maybe when that was created, eBay had it in Toys or Collectibles or something like that where you would expect to find sock monkeys.  In FireFox, I used "view page source" on that page and then used the search function to find the word "sock" and I see references to Surfing Board Bags & Socks.

 

What if they originally had it in a a different category as part of the major mess up from the October 15th changes, then over the last few weeks that they have been attempting to fix those issues, their AI program saw your correct keywords for surfboard and the incorrect keyword of sock from sock monkey and tried to take its best guess at a correct category which put it in the sporting goods one you see now?

 

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@AnonymousWow, I was just assuming it was some kind of glitch. That's just a terrible idea, to confetti our titles & descriptions like that. It's confusing and spammy, not to mention that it blatantly misrepresents our listings.

 

@autopiacarcareThat is a possibility, although it doesn't make much sense for me for Ebay to be using keywords for other "related" listings like that.  But nothing about what I'm seeing with these listings makes much sense - they are a just a mess.

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@autopiacarcareThat is a possibility, although it doesn't make much sense for me for Ebay to be using keywords for other "related" listings like that.  But nothing about what I'm seeing with these listings makes much sense - they are a just a mess.


@patentearth- I agree it doesn't make sense, from a rational human looking at it logically perspective.  Who knows what makes sense to the "smart" AI bots though. Smiley Wink

 

The more I look into it, the more I think that someone let HAL2000 loose on eBay (may or may not be part of the recent category/item specifics issues) and things have just gone horribly wrong from there.  For the ones we have found messed up catalog pages for,  go to that actual listing by item number, scroll down to the bottom of the page and check out what eBay is listing for "more to explore".

 

In the case of our listing for the wax that I gave as an example, even though our actual listing is in the correct car care category and is obviously a car wax, the "more to explore" sections says "Face Waxing Kit Waxing Supplies,Face Wax Strips Waxing Supplies,wax box,mustache wax,P&P Guitar Straps,Ski Wax,Ski Wax,Legs & Body Waxing Kit Waxing Supplies,Ear Wax Removal Kit Ear Wax Removers,Wax Dolls"

 

Your second surfboard example, the actual listing that shows in the correct Art>Art Posters category is showing me "More to explore : Surfing Art Oil Paintings,Block Surf Surfing Board Bags & Socks,Surfing Board Bags & Socks,Surfing,Other Surfing Accessories,Saltwater Surf Fishing Reels,Surfing Pikachu,Beach/Surf Metal Detectors,saturdays surf,surf music"

 

And the toilet paper one shows "More to explore : Paper Small Gift Bags,Kraft Paper Gift Bags,Gift Cards,Paper Any Occasion Gift Bags,graduation gifts,Kraft Paper Brown Gift Bags,Paper Birthday, Child Gift Bags,gift wrap,wedding paper gift bags,Paper Blue Gift Bags"

 

I suppose it is a chicken or the egg scenario - not sure if eBay messed up the "more to explore" section first and that caused the catalog pages to use wrong categories based on the listing being linked to those keywords or if eBay created the catalog pages with wrong categories first and that is now causing messed up suggestions to appear in "more to explore" on the actual listings.

 

Either way it is a giant mess and eBay really needs to get their act together.  The coding on this site needs a complete overhaul.

 

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I ran out of time to edit, but did want to add that of course everything I posted above about the "more to explore" section could be irrelevant to this issue, it's just a guess and an observation that there are obviously issues with the eBay search algorithms and keywords.  Hopefully someone from eBay can shed some more light on these issues soon.

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The more I look into it, the more I think that someone let HAL2000 loose on eBay 

LOL@HAL.   Only in eBay land could one assume that if you were interested in surfboard supplies, you might also purchase some sock monkeys.  I did see once an old TV commercial for KIA autos  (which brings in the motors category into the mix) with sock monkeys that were surfing.   

Maybe eBay's insistence and attempts at search manipulation has finally imploded. 

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The more I look into it, the more I think that someone let HAL2000 loose on eBay 

LOL@HAL.   Only in eBay land could one assume that if you were interested in surfboard supplies, you might also purchase some sock monkeys.  I did see once an old TV commercial for KIA autos  (which brings in the motors category into the mix) with sock monkeys that were surfing.   

Maybe eBay's insistence and attempts at search manipulation has finally imploded. 


It was either that or Skynet.  Smiley LOL  I've joked before that we sell carnauba wax that comes from Brazil, not that other kind of Brazilian wax. Smiley Wink I guess eBay isn't smart enough to figure out the difference.

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And if you click "See All", instead of expanding to display the description it takes you to a separate page showing NOTHING BUT the description. It's like this page was designed to be confusing to both human users and search engines alike.


Regarding this problem, I have an idea about why that may be happening. Some time back, when eBay announced that they would only allow secure socket-layer links beginning with https, they said that they would grandfather-in older text descriptions with embedded http links (not https) by isolating them in a separate description download, like what you're seeing here. Your description has several links, and in the four shown here, for example:

 

"Also available: Surf Board T-Shirt - Surf Board Canvas Print - Surf Board Poster Print

Check out our Ebay store for more amazing print designs!"

 

All appear to be using the non-secure link style:

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/263921418148

http://www.ebay.com/itm/264279679275

http://www.ebay.com/itm/263921479356 

http://stores.ebay.com/PatentEarth-Patent-Art-Prints

 

I would try checking all your embedded links to be sure that they're updated to https form, and see if that helps. 

 

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@autopiacarcare Good observation, it does look like some poorly calibrated AI is attempting to identify related items by linking common words and the results are not good.

@a_c_green Thanks for pointing that out, I was not aware that ebay was isolating non-HTTPS links like that. Definitely something I need to fix. I did update the surfboard listing to use HTTPS links and it's still isolating the description (on the "/c/" page that is), but maybe it just needs time to update. I'll keep an eye on it.
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