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German WWII Nazi Memorabilia

We would like to request eBay to have serious reconsideration for its policy to not to allow the sale of German Nazi memorabilia on the US eBay site.


As a counter proposal would recommend that eBay allow only US / Canadian sellers and US / Canadian buyers to purchase these items.  A special category could be sent up within the "Everything else" section of eBay.  This would restrict foreign, underage buyers and casual browsers from being offended or buying something which is against the law in their country.


Items offered for sale in this new category would have to be sold within the following context - Item is offered for sale only as an historic military document and not to propagate or further any political beliefs including but not limited to fascism or to engender any racial hatred or division of any sort. This object is offered for sale only to individuals or educational establishments for historical purposes only. (Its very similar to current German Law).


As a collector, historian and combat veteran I believe that the more evidence of this atrocious regime, the less the "Holocaust Deniers" will have to work with.  German Nazi memorabilia represents war trophies of a defeated ideology.  One that most Americans fought, suffered and died for to destroy. They represent how my family and others triumphed over that evil.  This was why it was collected by that generation and the generations since.   One should be able to appreciate the historical significance of the item in question. The swastika now is a symbol of the defeat of National Socialism and The Evil For Which It Stood.

 

Consider this: 

 

- Thousands of GIs stationed in the Pacific brought home Japanese swords, flags, symbols etc.  No one is accusing them of being Imperial Japanese and the evil racial beliefs it represented.  

 

- The Soviet Union under communism was as evil than the Germans (if that can be measured) but not such ban exists on communist era memorabilia.  

 

- One can buy Confederate items from our Civil war or Confederate flags on eBay but they also could be said to represent a undeniable evil of slavery.  

 

- It appears that the German memorabilia has been targeted to appease more than to protect.

 

- Please don’t forget that the public display and ownership of Nazi flags and other memorabilia in the U.S. is protected under the First Amendment to the United States Constitution.


We understand that the policy was originally enacted to protect.  A sound approach at that time but like all good or bad things, it is time to have it reconsidered.

 

Please consider this request.

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@sapphireseal wrote:

My guess is eBay doesn't want to wake up one day to a news article along the lines of:

 

"John Doe, an 18 year old with a troubled past, shot up Yadda Yadda High School today.  Police have discovered his room was filled with Nazi memorabilia, which his former friend Jane Smith says were mostly PURCHASED FROM EBAY."

 

Sure, other regimes have been bad, the Soviet regime was bad, but for whatever reason the nuts and racists tend to hone in on Nazi stuff and the swastika.  Avoiding ONE possible instance as described above is worth it, in eBay's eyes.  It would be terrible publicity and eBay would lose business.  A lot more business than they would gain selling trinkets to "real" WWII collectors.

 

eBay is a private company and can choose not to sell anything it wants.  Choosing not to sell something because it would be bad publicity is perfectly reasonable. 


Yea they are greatly admired for selling Chinese fakes that kill more people/animals then we relize. One example how many house fires have started by fake Chinese "circuit breakers" now that is crimminal....all these fakes sold by ebay.. ebay is no saint far from it.

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SCHULTZ!!!  What are you doing???

 

 

Schnapps, mein Kommandant, Schnapps.  Want some?

 

 

Don't mind if I do.

 

 

 


Forget keeping up with the Joneses. Be the Finklegrubers!
OK kids, time to get the Dodge loaded up again. I hear 'Poppy's By the Tree' calling. This trip might be a long one too.
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I love zombie threads..... and zombie nazi ..... the best.

 

There are words you can say, and words you can't say, and it varies by country, same with selling.

some items can't be sold outside the US,  so ebay blocks alot of things.

Sorrry

 

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I try to abide by Ebays Stupid rules but my things keep getting taken off. I called them and they said it was because it contained a swastica. I look on Ebay and there are many items with swasticas. Flags, badges, all kinds of things. I tryed to sell a newspaper from 1940 and it was removed. They have a catagory for WW2-Miltaria-Original-German-Newspapers. Why have such a catagory then?????? I know now who runs Ebay.

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I know now who runs Ebay.

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And who would that be?  People who have consideration and understanding for what happened to millions  who lived and died during one of the darkest periods of history..

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@justapostcard wrote:

We would like to request eBay to have serious reconsideration for its policy to not to allow the sale of German Nazi memorabilia on the US eBay site.


As a counter proposal would recommend that eBay allow only US / Canadian sellers and US / Canadian buyers to purchase these items.  A special category could be sent up within the "Everything else" section of eBay.  This would restrict foreign, underage buyers and casual browsers from being offended or buying something which is against the law in their country.


Items offered for sale in this new category would have to be sold within the following context - Item is offered for sale only as an historic military document and not to propagate or further any political beliefs including but not limited to fascism or to engender any racial hatred or division of any sort. This object is offered for sale only to individuals or educational establishments for historical purposes only. (Its very similar to current German Law).


As a collector, historian and combat veteran I believe that the more evidence of this atrocious regime, the less the "Holocaust Deniers" will have to work with.  German Nazi memorabilia represents war trophies of a defeated ideology.  One that most Americans fought, suffered and died for to destroy. They represent how my family and others triumphed over that evil.  This was why it was collected by that generation and the generations since.   One should be able to appreciate the historical significance of the item in question. The swastika now is a symbol of the defeat of National Socialism and The Evil For Which It Stood.

 

Consider this: 

 

- Thousands of GIs stationed in the Pacific brought home Japanese swords, flags, symbols etc.  No one is accusing them of being Imperial Japanese and the evil racial beliefs it represented.  

 

- The Soviet Union under communism was as evil than the Germans (if that can be measured) but not such ban exists on communist era memorabilia.  

 

- One can buy Confederate items from our Civil war or Confederate flags on eBay but they also could be said to represent a undeniable evil of slavery.  

 

- It appears that the German memorabilia has been targeted to appease more than to protect.

 

- Please don’t forget that the public display and ownership of Nazi flags and other memorabilia in the U.S. is protected under the First Amendment to the United States Constitution.


We understand that the policy was originally enacted to protect.  A sound approach at that time but like all good or bad things, it is time to have it reconsidered.

 

Please consider this request.


In this current PC country, it is a CRIME to be OFFENDED.  So, if even ONE PERSON is offended by something then it required that EVERYBODY also be offended.  And there is a little less freedom in this country.

 

Comedians like Don Rickles or Jackie Leonard were called Insult comedians, now, if someone feels insulted (right or wrong) an apology is required.

 

Keeping evil thing of history hidden will make it easier for them to take place again.

 

 

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Keeping evil thing of history hidden will make it easier for them to take place again.

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Go to a museum if you want to learn about it.  But do not profit from other people's misery.

 

And the mass murder of 6,000,000 people is hardly a PC issue.

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And really the market is not that big. There's few that served in ww2 left to want those "memories".

Shoot even Viet Nam conflict items are now hard to sell as few remember that police action .

Donate the items to a local VFW if they want them.
age is a measure of time , wisdom is the measure of how we used that time
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There's that magic 6,000,000 number again.

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There's that magic 6,000,000 number again.

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Are you one that denies the holocaust even existed?

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@retrose1 wrote:

@surplusdealdude wrote:

Germany, ebay's second largest site, forbids the sale of any NAZI related material.  ebay is just trying to follow the law.


I am buying WW2 era Third Reich Germany Nazi stamps and coins from sellers in Germany.


The buying and selling of stamps and coins is allowed on eBay and in Germany.  Also books with a swastika on the cover are allowed.  It is German war related items with a swastika that are not allowed.  EBay does not police their site, if a report by a member of eBay is made, then Ebay might remove the listing.

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@thepostingid wrote:

Why would eBay restrict MANY of the things it prohibits?

 

For example, firearms:

 

They are legal to buy and sell in the US and as long as the sellers have an FFL there shouldn't be a problem, right?  No - because eBay wants to take a SOCIAL stand on a position (in this case, that stand is clearly a progressive/liberal stand).

 

So eBay is a liberal company from one of the most liberal areas of the country.  No surprises there.


You can and can't.  There are restrictions since JFK was assassinated.

 

Federal law requires all modern firearms be shipped to a holder of a valid Federal Firearms License (FFL). Any person who is legally allowed to own a firearm is legally allowed to ship it to an FFL holder for any legal purpose (including sale or resale).

 

May a nonlicensee ship a firearm through the U. S. Postal Service?
A nonlicensee may mail a shotgun or rifle to a resident of his or her own state or to a licensee in any state. Handguns are not mailable. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun. A nonlicensee may not transfer any firearm to a nonlicensed resident of another state. The Postal Service recommends that longguns be sent by registered mail and that no marking of any kind which would indicate the nature of the contents be placed on the outside of any parcel containing firearms.

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@abus865 wrote:

Ebay is just a follower, not a leader.

 

When politicians started denouncing the Confederate flag as a solution to racial harmony, EBay was quick to follow.  As if that would solve anything, since the symbol represents history, not recent occurances.  Politicials were just looking for votes, regarding themselves as solvers of problems.  Ebay was trying to gain the same recognition.  I guess the people who believed into their philosophy are to blame also.

 

Historians will value those WWII Nazi items for museums.  Most of Germany despised Hitler, even though he was in power (learn your history!).  The physical item proves that, yes, the attrocity really did happen to many, especially to non-Nazi's.  Leave destroying or devaluing history to certain middle eastern religions and groups, please EBay.  Stand up, and appreciate that EBay is a good source of vintage items that would otherwise be hard to find.

 

In the end, EBay is just a follower, not a leader.  They are not like Google who challenge the way things are done and go to court over what they believe.  Ebay does the least actually, which in this case is to retrict historical artifacts and give CEO's millions for delaying bankruptcy.

 

 

 

 If you are selling to any body who comes along, that contradicts your statement:

"Historians will value those WWII Nazi items for museums".

 

 


 

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Please don’t make this posting about politics. Trying to come up with a solution for a problem not solve the current political environment. eBay reacts to sellers concerns and the bottom-line, i.e. money. If we could get a enough of us to call and write they may actually try and allow a solution to be implemented.

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All of this time has passed since the original post. Today, Ebay's policies are more unclear than ever

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