02-03-2011 03:03 PM
11-06-2011 11:02 PM
I think eBay should force sellers to disclose the ESN in the auction
So that they can be cloned?
11-06-2011 11:02 PM
I think eBay should force sellers to disclose the ESN in the auction
So that they can be cloned?
Sorry for the double post, screwed up the quote in my last one.
11-25-2011 04:52 PM
so let me get this staight!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! we know they are stolen phones ,they knpw they are stolen phones and ebay self concious do not do nothing ,HUO. I have a suspended selling account because someone reported my pictures they are not well lighted but stollen phones are okay !!!!! Is in this some out of this world??????????
11-30-2011 05:55 PM
so are they safe to buy?
12-04-2011 09:42 PM
so let me get this staight!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! we know they are stolen phones ,they knpw they are stolen phones and ebay self concious do not do nothing ,HUO. I have a suspended selling account because someone reported my pictures they are not well lighted but stollen phones are okay !!!!! Is in this some out of this world??????????
It's already been discussed that bad ESN phones, although somewhat likely to be stolen, are not necessarily stolen. Also, eBay has been known to suspend sellers for some rather odd and often unfair reasons but I absolutely don't believe you were suspended for dim lighting in your pictures.
12-07-2011 05:20 AM
Other than being reported as stolen or lost, how can a cell listed as brand new sealed in box (ebay's description of New, not New-other) have a bad ESN?
12-10-2011 08:48 AM
Other than being reported as stolen or lost, how can a cell listed as brand new sealed in box (ebay's description of New, not New-other) have a bad ESN?
Some people go to Sprint or Verizon and open several lines under contract to get the brand new phones for the low contract price and then just sell the phones.
The phones in turn have Bad ESNs because whoever they sell them to cannot activate them on Sprint or Verizon since they are still in service under the original owner's account.
12-10-2011 08:49 AM
so are they safe to buy?
Only if you know how or know someone who knows how to flash them to work on the network you want to use them on.
12-11-2011 07:57 AM
I can't believe that if I sold my wife's iphone 4 on verizon with a good esn, it would sell for almost 200 less then a device with a bad esn.
Makes me shake my head.
12-11-2011 02:43 PM
I can't believe that if I sold my wife's iphone 4 on verizon with a good esn, it would sell for almost 200 less then a device with a bad esn.
Makes me shake my head.
Why are you saying $200 less?
12-24-2011 12:16 PM
It's amazing with this crap economy most of my friends have lost their iphones once-- typically due to someone stealing the phone while living in NYC. Mine was also literally grabbed out of my hands by someone who probably makes a living out of stealing the phones and truthfully I would never buy the phones with bad esn.
I know that these phones are listed as *BAD ESN* phones-- I assure you I can read English. My deal is that they shouldn't be listed even with the notification "bad esn" because obviously they're stolen or lost. I talked to the police in my area (SF) and they tell me a lot of phones get stolen everyday.
If somebody's house got robbed and the thief sold the stolen goods and got found out by Ebay, the listings would be removed. Obviously. Really don't see difference with this case with the iphones with bad esn.
12-30-2011 02:53 PM
i bet that ebay doesnt want to deal with the fact that if they didnt allow people to sell bad esn phones they would have to do so much more work to keep up with the people that try to. ALSO they make money off people when they sell on ebay and since so many phones are bad esn they would lose a lot of profit...
12-31-2011 01:55 PM
It's amazing with this crap economy most of my friends have lost their iphones once-- typically due to someone stealing the phone while living in NYC. Mine was also literally grabbed out of my hands by someone who probably makes a living out of stealing the phones and truthfully I would never buy the phones with bad esn.
I know that these phones are listed as *BAD ESN* phones-- I assure you I can read English. My deal is that they shouldn't be listed even with the notification "bad esn" because obviously they're stolen or lost. I talked to the police in my area (SF) and they tell me a lot of phones get stolen everyday.
If somebody's house got robbed and the thief sold the stolen goods and got found out by Ebay, the listings would be removed. Obviously. Really don't see difference with this case with the iphones with bad esn.
As had been said more than once, bad ESN phones are likely to be stolen but not necessarily stolen. ESNs could be bad as the result of a bad flash, an unpaid bill, or even hardware damage.
12-31-2011 03:09 PM
As had been said more than once, bad ESN phones are likely to be stolen but not necessarily stolen. ESNs could be bad as the result of a bad flash, an unpaid bill, or even hardware damage.
RE:
ESNs could be bad as the result of a bad flash, an unpaid bill, or even hardware damage
Exactly....
But an unpaid bill and if the intial contract period has not ended, the phone still belongs to the carrier.
01-04-2012 06:54 PM
Here is a solution. They could require the seller to post the ESN of "BAD ESN" phones. Also, have a way to report ESN of stolen phones to ebay. So if a phone with a stolen ESN is posted whoever reported it would be notified. To prevent theifs from using a bogus ESN, the review process could request the ESN from the buyer and also check whether it is stolen.