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So this buyer bought a formal dress from us that comes with a home security tag attached....the manufacturer puts these on the dresses.  It's nice because, if it's removed, we know that the buyer could have worn the dress.  This buyer messaged me and told me she removed the security tag but still wants to return the dress since it is too small.  I have free returns on my items.  In this case, when the item comes back, I intend to give her a partial refund since the item's condition has been modified.  She swears she did not wear the dress but I have had this situation before.  My question is, if I refund say 20 percent off, will I receive ALL my fees back from the original transaction?  I tried this recently before and it looked like I wasn't going to get ANY of my fees back....anyone know?  Thanks!

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The last time I had someone not return something, eBay was right on the mark in closing the return - even earlier than I thought would happen. This was just this past week. I recall they used to ridiculously extend the return window - didn't happen this time.


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Those guidelines are laughable considering the range of item types possible.  Imagine going to Target and finding makeup or medicines marked down only 5% because the "factory seal is broken but item is still in its' original condition."  And when it comes to clothes, as far as buyers are concerned unattached tags or security features means someone wore that garment on their body, sat on their butt in it, sweated in it, etc.  I personally have no problem with second hand clothes (they can be washed) but I expect to pay second hand prices for them, and so does everyone else.  Not side-eye "new" prices because tags come with them but not ON them.  

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It's also pretty messed up that the top two tiers "guide" sellers to deduct percentages that are less-than or barely-more-than what the seller likely paid eBay in fees, of which 0% will be credited back by eBay.   

If the seller paid 15% FVF and 10% promotion = 25% ..... but only deducted 10% of the buyer's refund, then it's LITERALLY A LOSS!  -If that item was $100 then they'd be PAYING EBAY $15 for .... nothing.    It seems that when they created those guidelines, they banked on sellers not realizing this discrepancy and/or sucking at math big time.  

And lastly, how rude to condescend to the OP about this post based on what you consider a "relatively low cost item."  She specifically said, "This item was a $68 sale so not a small one to me."   And even if she did consider it a small amount, isn't it better for her to get the full picture on how this feature works with a small-amount item, so she'll have the info in her pocket when she faces a large-amount dishonest INAD??? 

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When I have issued a partial refund on Ebay, I have always received a fee refund. It usually takes two days. 

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There are 2 types of partial refunds.  
1. Where you go to the Order Details and VOLUNTARILY issue money back to the buyer.  This could be be anything from refunding part of the shipping they paid to combine multiple items, to refunding for partial dissatisfaction (like say they ordered several dinner plates and a couple of them arrived broken, but they want to keep the intact ones and just get compensation for the broken ones).   
2. Where the buyer files an official return and returns the item in worse condition than you sent it, and it was something they did, not that you packed poorly or whatever.  Then you can retain up to 50% of the would-be refund, using a special feature that eBay offers (ONLY IF the listing offered free returns).  

When you say you always get fees credited back to you, they must have been the 1st scenario, voluntary partial refunds.  And eBay shows you that you will receive those fee credits when you do the refund.  Like this:
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But the 2nd scenario, the partial refund for a RETURNED item, eBay does not credit back any of your seller fees. 

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Thank you so much for your reply!  This is exactly how I feel....$68 is not small to me.  I am grateful for every dollar!

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WHAT??!!

 

What kind of cheap-azz deduction schedule is that? I see nothing on it above 30%. They need to build it out a little:

 

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@mynewfindstore   $68 is a lot to me, too. Even if it wasn't I wouldn't dream of knocking it.

 


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Yeah I didn't screenshot the whole chart, just wanted to show the cells exemplifying the 5% - 30% deduction range, since that's borderline "not worth bothering" territory.  Well, assuming you paid for promotion.  

EDIT: I just read the 'poor' condition examples on your chart, OMG!  🤣
Did you make that?  Too funny!!!!!  

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I have to promote to the maximum....I set a cap at 16% but there are many resellers in my category that do a strict 15%.  I don't want to do that but I don't want to pay more than that!   The competition is insane here.  

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With the acknowledgement that *you did not ask for this advice ....... get out of clothes if/when you can.  I never wanted to do them in the first place, but in 2019 I accidentally plunged myself into them face-first, by winning a 1000 cubic foot storage auction unit with floor-to-ceiling unmarked bins and boxes.  -Turned out it was 95% clothes, shoes and accessories, the yet-unsorted back-inventory donations to a local charity thrift store that had closed (thus they defaulted on their storage fees). 

There was everything from Dollar General stuff with stains and holes, to major designers with tags still attached, and everything in-between. I didn't have time to feel sorry for myself -only 72 hours to clear the unit spotless or lose my deposit, so I schlepped it all carload by carload to my house all by myself, and then got busy learning about clothes!  And you know, I actually got kinda good at it, and even enjoyed it .... for a while.  LOL selling all the hottest stuff first sure made it feel fun!  But after 6 or 8 months, the amount of work and time needed for every listing .... all that measuring, so many photographs, so many item specifics to fill out, so many emails to answer ....and despite all that ...still so many RETURNS ..... I began realizing it would take DECADES to sell off what I had, and it was swallowing my whole house, so I started just getting rid of it any way I could.  And there are still some boxes in the garage by the way. 

I'm leaving out details about how those clothes did me permanent harm, suffice it to say they DID, but primadonna stuff is tedious to read so I'll save it for the therapy I keep saying I'll start.  Anyway I'm mostly "okay." -Switching gears and going back to small, easy to list, easy to pack, rarely-returned items saved me from true despair.  And I don't have to tell you this but clothes are SOOO saturated on eBay.  I'm not saying I'll never sling another garment again (I still occasionally list a thing or two from those remaining boxes), but I'm definitely not looking to source any more ever again at thrift stores.  There would have to be a Chanel blazer or 1950's pair of Levi's laid across the jewelry counter or something for me to even look, LOL!  

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After I ran out of bike parts, hats, car parts and other things I started selling clothing. It's not bad, though pickens are really slim up here these days - I rarely find the interesting pieces I used to specialise in (I live in a very multicultural area so developed a speciality in world and traditional fashions because of its availability) - it all goes directly to online stores, or people just sell it themselves (we're very wired here), and everything is quite expensive. At just about that time I decided to semi-retire, anyway, so now I just sell some stuff to pay for race entry fees, gym fees and trips to the pub.

 

I've taken in huge hauls, though - once I bought out a wedding gown rental store which was closing. Ugh - wedding gowns take up so much room - it was like living with a bunch of Christo art installations, or having another 50 people in my house.

 

I'd love to find a storage locker haul like yours, though. I have a strong back and a weak mind.

 

ETA: Very weak mind.


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I have endless sympathy for west coast pickers. Not only is everything more expensive including second-hand, but if you're into actual antiques they're just crazy hard to find.  I remember this Northern CA eBay Youtuber I used to watch made a picker video about an antique store he had just learned about (and had to drive pretty far to).  When he got there he was like "Oh my god, look at this place, it's incredible!" -it was the kind of antique store I always swiftly exit, the kind that looks like you're in Cracker Barrel, with thinly-spread and very "staged" antiques of the most cliche kinds, old gas station signs, wagon wheels, Coca Cola junk galore, etc. ...... and when he showed some of the prices, good lord!!  

I mean it makes sense; the further west you go, the more recently the towns were settled, and the less likely people were to drag much stuff that far, especially before cars, over the Rockies.  Not to rub it in your nose, but Mobile is the 14th oldest city in the U.S. so there are antique stores out the wazoo, also the biggest flea market on the Gulf Coast is in Mobile, plenty of regular thrifts shops too.  And being deep-south, err thang DIRT cheap!   

But you got me wondering -how does the storage unit game compare?   So I checked the online auction site I'm familiar with (certainly not the only one, but it is nationwide) ..... and man, it appears even that is bleak, out west.  In the 120 mile radius of Seattle, there are TWO units currently up for auction.  
One looks like it was rented by an actual homeless person (tent and various wheeled cases, buggies, bags with handles)
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And the other is kind of weird, most visible stuff is VHS/DVD's, and it's weird that they ARE visible -look, most of the boxes have their tops cut off.  My guess is that was someone who was a picker themselves, selling stuff at flea markets or maybe even eBay (could save time not having to open every box to find a sold item).  
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Then I checked the same distance radius of my zip code -26 current auction units.  But I left quickly.  That's the LAST thing I need to look at too much, because my mind AND my back are bad nowadays.  


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Oh forgot to say: Thanks for triggering my PTSD.  Nightmares about trying to get through my house full of wedding gowns to reach the bathroom and go pee .....  trying to claw out from under a wedding gown avalanche .....  being chased by something in a dense wedding gown forest .... being chased BY wedding gowns .....  it's all in the cards for sure, now!   

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My daughter and I know clothes the best and we are in Southern California so the prices at thrift stores are too high but once in a while we still go.  We usually source online.  It used to be a lot easier since we had a source for Nordstrom clothing and not that many people were doing it back in 2012-2015...that is when we made the most money.  I had to find new sources in 2017/2018 and by then tons of people were selling clothes.  I don't know how to sell other stuff.  Have experimented with some random things without much success so I just stick to what I know.  I don't like to go out to source now so I'd have to find a good source online for anything different I'd decide to sell but at this point I'd have no idea what that could be!  

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Interesting what you say about not having an idea what else to source.  Now, I definitely would NOT just make a willy-nilly recommendation for everyone to try storage unit auctions, because it is an extremely mixed bag.  So many pro's and con's; if I thought anybody would want to read it, I could probably write a whole book just from my experiences with the 6 units I have won, as well as what I've observed by-proxy (storage picker Youtube and social media groups, etc).   

But the reason I bring it up again, in reply to this last message of yours ^ is this:  one the absolute biggest PRO's is that by obtaining a bunch of 'unknown' stuff, you get immediate full immersion in categories outside your comfort zone.   What's great about already having the stuff is: 1. It's not going to research itself -you HAVE to do it, or it's just going to keep taking up space.  2. You have as much time as you are willing to LET it take up space, and you have the quiet, private, calm advantage of researching it in your own easy chair, on a full-screen computer if you prefer, even posting to the internet for help when needed, etc.  This is immeasurably better than standing in a Goodwill, trying to find info on your phone, with bunches of other people around, kids running around, employees giving you the side-eye, etc. .... for EVERY. SINGLE. ITEM. that you need to consider.  Same goes for garage sales, estate sales, etc.   -I absolutely have as much 'dead stock' from those sourcing venues as from storage units, maybe more, even DESPITE usually trying to do some research on the spot, but apparently not enough to realize the items weren't worth investing in.  And sadly, I have no doubt I've failed to even look up tons of items that WERE valuable, but I had no clue because I didn't have them as burdens TO look up.  

That's the thing with bulk 'unknowns' - yes there absolutely will be stuff not worth trying to sell, but there very likely will be at least some treasures, including things you wouldn't have known were treasures if you hadn't been forced to research them!   And the learning experience is a treasure in itself, or at least I think so.  

Just a couple cases in point: one of my unit finds was a box of office supplies, but not your everyday ones.  This unit had clearly been rented by a man, one with expensive tastes (no clue why he defaulted on rental fees -that's another aspect I could write about for days, the bizarre and mysterious experience of going through someone else's stuff ).  Anyway, I had no idea there was such a thing as 'luxury' office supplies, lol.  But it turned out there are brands of that stuff which people will pay surprisingly big money for, just like with fashion.  So I wound up making a couple hundred bucks from that box alone, which more than recouped the $180 winning bid I had paid for the whole unit.  In that same unit was an item that still stands as one of the most shocking resale experiences I've ever had: an empty display/storage box for an Oakley men's watch, this big wooden one, bigger than an upright tissue box.  I could see people selling them on eBay but the 'Sold' amounts were so varied, I couldn't decide how much to price this one for, so I put it up for auction.  -3 bidders got in a vicious bidding war over it, like at least 30 bids, and it wound up fetching $165.00.  FOR AN EMPTY BOX!!  🤣  But those are just a couple examples.  I've found so many crazy things that I knew nothing about before, that turned out to be quite valuable to some people.  Not to mention obvious treasures like gold, gemstones, household name designers and artists, unused gift cards, even cash currency.  

Now as I said about the unit full of clothes, that category was wayyyy outside my comfort zone but  I learned so much, so fast, it really was exhilarating.  Yes, that wore off over time, but even that bummer was a learning experience in itself, the Cliff's note being: don't be afraid of closed boxes, but definitely don't buy a 10x10x10 unit filled to the ceiling with nothing but closed boxes!  

Actually I take back what I said at the start of this.  I WOULD recommend everyone to try just ONE storage unit sometime, like when you have a bit of 'mad' money.  Thing is, most garages have units as small as 5X10 (even smaller in some cases), and often you can tell if a unit is definitely not worth messing with.  But even if your eyes lied to you, with a small unit the worst that can happen is a small loss of money and small amount of junk to get rid of.  2 out of my 6 units had just enough good things to recoup my investment, but not counting the work, so I wouldn't do them over again but they weren't a nightmare either, because they were both just 5x10's.  


  

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I got a small taste of the storage room thing when I used to clear estates. I no longer do that, though.


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