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My Sales Tanked, And I Have A Theory

I've been selling for just about 2 years now. I found my niche, developed my business model, refined and worked it. I was doing about 2.5k per month in sales on about 150 listed items, with the usual variation - seasonal and otherwise. I had 100% feedback and repeat customers.

 

Ebay wanted Free Shipping, I give 'em free shipping. Ebay wants 1-day shipping. I give 'em "epic fast shipping" to quote one customer.  Ebay wants Free Returns, I give 'em free returns. Ebay wants Guaranteed Delivery, I give it to 'em. Whatever direction ebay wants to go in, I try to adapt and make it work. So far, so good.

 

So naturally, it was time to expand. As I sell mostly men's clothing, maybe 'summer slowdown' wasn't the best time to expand, but I increased my listings about 40 or 50 percent in July, and sales increased by about 35%. Right on target. I did the same in August, with good results. It was my best month on ebay. Now with the summer doldrums behind us and more listings than ever before in my store, September should continue the trend. Not so fast.

 

September saw a 25% decline in sales. October was equally bad, and November - which I anticipated as being the best month of the year - has so far been horrible. I'm currently on pace to equal my year-low January sales when I had less than half the items listed. I anticipate doing half the sales of August, or a 50% decline from that month. This is despite loading up with Christmas and winter items - the items that ebay (and common sense) - recommend.  

 

So what gives? I went crazy trying to pin down the reason. I tried listing on a regular basis. I tried binge listing. I kept my account constantly active. I lowered prices. I raised prices. I had sales. Nothing mattered. Am I still top-rated? Yeah. Is my return-rate too high? Ah, my returns are exceptionally low, especially with all the clothing I sell. Can't be that. Unresolved cases? Nope. In three little words, **bleep**?

 

Looking at my sales on a graphical plot, it was easy to see exactly when things began to tank, the inflection point so to speak. But that still made no sense. Now we all know that a platform like ebay is run by computer algorithms, and these are developed and manipulated toward one end - optimizing revenue from sellers. Nothing sinister about that. We all try to optimize revenue. 

 

Obviously, none of us know the details of how 'ebay' operates, but the generalities are there. We kinda all 'get it'.  For some reason, I was dumped into a lower priority 'bucket'. Sure, they give you the occasional 'off-the-charts' day, the same way a casino strings you along until you're just ready to walk away and cut your losses, and then you hit for a few hundred. And you come right back. Until you're broke. Sometimes I get the feeling that ebay is a casino and we're all just hangin in there waiting for a jackpot. 

 

I was going over my messages awhile back, and noticed an offer from ebay to upgrade my store to the next level up. I considered it, since I was paying for insertions each month, and it sorta made sense and I was planning on continuing the expansion. But the subscription fee was 3X what I was paying, so I had to think about it just a bit. Unfortunately, the deadline for the offer was August 28, and I didn't respond in time and the offer expired. 

 

My sales began to decline immediately after that date. Ebay simply dumped me into the 'not worth it' bucket. 

 

Thanks ebay. Two years of representing your company as best as I could, and winning customers with every sale. And in an instant, all that work is tossed into the 'screw you' bucket. Hey, it's your platform, if you think that's the optimum way to harvest revenue from your sellers, more power to ya. But I'm starting to agree with the naysayers - ebay is flailing around trying to compete with Amazon and the new kids, and flailing rhymes with failing, doesn't it.

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The site I've moved over to does not have any type of promoted listings.

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@mr_lincoln wrote:

@maimaimai90  I read your post, very well written by the way, impressive.  But one thing jumped out at me " ... As I sell mostly men's clothing. ..."  If you go to The Community home page and type in "clothing" you should get a list of threads returned that may be rather lengthy.  What I have noticed is that many threads about a big drop in sales are from Sellers in the highly saturated clothing categories.

Diversify, that will help.

Run a 30 day Promoted Listing Campaign on ALL your fixed price listings for a moderate % ...


Doing great on the other site I've moved over to...and I sell only clothing.  Not a problem at all over there.   I slowly moved over there over the last three months, as my sales slowly declined on ebay, they were great and stay great on the other site.

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@sharingtheland wrote:

How I wish the word "throttling" had not become popular around here.   Of course ebay isn't deliberately limiting a seller's sales at a certain pre-specified amount.

 

Ebay search (I use that term loosely) is, however, algorithmed to the nth and ebay has chosen to limit the number of listings a buyer might see at one time.  Even ebay realized no one was going to scroll through 15,000 pages of something.

 

I have no proof of this but I would also assume there is a space/server issue going on.  

 

I can prove where my items are seen and purchased and it amazingly corresponds to areas of the country where ebay will collect the highests fees on shipping.   I've lived in three different areas of the country while selling on ebay.

 

 


Interestingly enough now that you said that...all my sales have come from areas that will pay ebay the highest shipping fees too. Hmmmm. I always thought it odd most of my sales came from the west coast.
I am not sure of the correlation there as ebay also says it soooo concerned about what the buyer is paying for shipping and saving them money. This would not hold true if it were really the case.
But it is interesting none the less.

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Thanks savwillsell09. I have a lot of respect for people who can start a small business and make it work for themselves. Lots of ebay sellers do that.

Why am I here? Well, I started selling on ebay so that I could make a modest income while I took care of two elderly parents. One had Alzheimer's for about a decade and the other got old, frail and eventually got cancer. In order to keep them out of a nursing home as long as possible, I simply had to be at home with them, and ebay selling was something that I could do from home.

Now that they've both moved on to that big online marketplace in the sky, I've decided to stick with what I've been doing and see if it can pay the bills. To be honest though, once you hit your 50's and have had long gaps in your employment - your future prospects are minimal at best. Whatever, I have no regrets.

I can't believe I wrote all that without swearing. (Actually, I save all my swearing for posts on that political site 😉
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Good theory. I have been called Ebay since March on a weekly basis. Our sales are down 70% from last year. Last year about 225K in sales. We now get from 0-3 sales a day. At this time of year we should be geting 20-30. Finally I was told be a man I believe in a higher dept, that our account was flagged for selling dropship items. We have done this with the same companies for 12 years. If you look in Ebays help info, drop shipping is perfectly fine. But this guy said Ebay does not want drop ship items anymore. It appears that our listings are not visible to buyers. So it really would be nice if they had formally let us know in March when he said they started this policy. Instead we stressed for months trying to figure out what is wrong. They still have not notified anyone formally nor have they removed the "dropship okay" info. That is as much info as I can get. They say it is "confidential". When it concerns my store and my livelihood I should know the particulars. They have destroyed our business of 12 years to the point of having to cancel my health insurance to meet my mortgage. Since I am a cancer pt, that was a major decision.

What the real truths are we'll never know. Who they are flagging and for what reasons. Who knows. Ebay stocks are down while Amazon if way up. We're at their mercy.

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I have no idea when that postal agreement will be renegotiated. I just know that it's extremely punitive to US sellers, and the president very forcefully stated that changing it will be a top priority, in addition to renegotiating the agreement with Amazon. In the case of Amazon, the USPS very often delivers the package in the very expensive last mile to your door, and Amazon has had the benefit of a sweet deal from the USPS.

If NAFTA could be renegotiated, this should be easy. There's really nothing to negotiate. The special break will end, and China will be treated like every other country.

Sooner rather than later would be my guess.
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@everything-from-trinkets-to-treasures

They NEVER said that. People who keep wondering why they do not get consistent sales dreamed that up and changed the wording to meet their agenda is all. Sales will NEVER be consistent so people really need to get over it and learn to accept it. I understand some rely on internet sales and are starving and cannot pay bills. There are other ways to make money for those that needy. Ebay is not out to get you.

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@everything-from-trinkets-to-treasures

Tell us one item that you say is hidden so we can look for you. There has NEVER been one bit of proof that an item was hidden in the last 15 years of these conspiracies people come up with. As far as those in over saturated categories, your items may be on page 23 and there is not a single buyer who will search that long for your stuff. The good news is that only happens when searching using best match. There are hardly any buyers in the world who only search best match.

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@coolections wrote:

@everything-from-trinkets-to-treasures

Tell us one item that you say is hidden so we can look for you. There has NEVER been one bit of proof that an item was hidden in the last 15 years of these conspiracies people come up with. As far as those in over saturated categories, your items may be on page 23 and there is not a single buyer who will search that long for your stuff. The good news is that only happens when searching using best match. There are hardly any buyers in the world who only search best match.


Again, I did not ask for your help. Not sure why you keep wanting to force help when it isnot asked for. I have been here long enough to know how to handle my listings and my business just fine but thank you. And since ebay even say they are doing it not sure why you won't accept it. That is proof too BTW. And I am sure that you have not seen every item on ebay in the last 15 years either to prove it is not true and that people are unable to handle their own businesses and accounts and know not only what ebay tells them but what they can see for themselves.

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BTW ebay added that into the user agreement AFTER too many sellers caught on to listings being hidden and they could not lie about it any longer....so it was put in the user agreement so we technically agree to them doing it.

It is a strange turn of events though that now some argue it is not true after so many catching on to it years ago and after ebay telling sellers they will do it.

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FALSE.

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@coolections wrote:

FALSE.


You of course can feel free to argue that point with ebay since they said they are doing it, put it in the user agreement and the rest of us know they were and are.

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Here you go right from the user agreement....which you think is not true


We strive to create a marketplace where buyers find what they are looking for. Therefore, the appearance or placement of listings in search and browse results will depend on a variety of factors, including, but not limited to:

  • buyer's location, search query, browsing site, and history;
  • item's location, listing format, price and shipping cost, terms of service, end time, history, and relevance to the user query;
  • seller's history, including listing practices, Detailed Seller Ratings, eBay policy compliance, Feedback, and defect rate; and
  • number of listings matching the buyer's query


To drive a positive user experience, a listing may not appear in some search and browse results regardless of the sort order chosen by the buyer

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To add:

"Ebay has come right out and said it will hide listings...it is in the user agreement too.

 

I have to say that is an enormous twist on what the UA says.

If an item is searched for using key words and there are 100,000 listings that match, some of those are not going to show up in search.   THAT is what the UA means.

It is just not practical to generate a list of 100,000 items, and no one is going to peruse an entire list of 100,000 items.  OTOH, if your key word search brings up only 20 items, then they all show up.  Nothing hidden.

 

"Ebay also said it is showing what it thinks buyers want. So if they think buyers do not want your item...guess what...it will not get seen."

 

If you are trying to sell in an overloaded category, unless eBay's search algorithm finds your item has some chance of selling, your item may be beyond the end of the list.  Nothing nefarious about that.  Why wouldn't eBay show first the items with the best chance of selling?

 

"There are a lot of buyers who never get to see what they searched for at all for some reason."

 

I sell many things for which key word searches bring up less than 50 items, often only a couple items.  Not once, ever, with a keyword search, has my item failed to show up.  I also sell some items for which there are 1000s of listings.  One of those has over 1000 sales and always shows up on the first page, usually top 5.  And that's because eBay knows that there is a high probability of a sale for that item.

 

I seriously doubt there is any item listed on eBay that CANNOT be found.  If you have such an item, provide it's title and we can check for you.

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There is no twist. I posted it above and you can read it for yourself. It is short, clear and to the point.

As to the other..no I am talking about the AI technology that attempts for that personalized buyer experience that hasn't worked since it came out. Seems some people keep forgetting about that too which the majority of the time show buyers completely different things than what they search for

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