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Continue to Bite the Hands that Feed You

Let me see if I can get all these new changes straight. Just for review, in the last six months or so sellers here have seen:

 

1. Guaranteed delivery take a bite out of our sales because customers cannot (not without a lot of trouble and hassle) purchase multiple items and get combined shipping. We join the program in good faith, and we lose money.

 

2. A 10% decrease in our discount for being a top rated seller plus--without ANY reason, trade-off, or apology given.

 

3. Loss of placement in the search, and our items basically hidden because we won't get on board with the "free" returns nonsense.

 

4. Threats to RAISE our final value fees, if our returns increase over a "certain" percentage--based upon whatever eBay deems as excessive--and we have NO idea what those numbers or standards will be based upon. 

 

5.  Changes to the feedback system, in our listing abilities, and countless other "NEW" and "improved" systems, that in reality--cost us more time, effort, and frustration. Useless and pointless changes--like the new shipping page--why? It is clunky, takes longer, and I have to scroll to do every single shipment--again, why?

 

6.  Randomly being charged final value fees for TALKING to someone in a message, then pulling a listing--with the implied reason being that we took the sale off-eBay, even if we are totally innocent. Even if we have been here 20 years, and have NEVER had an issue.

 

7. Harassing letters from eBay, restrictions, and threats to our account--for a buyer sending US their phone number or contact information, even if we expressly told them that we couldn't accept it--and then facing #6.

 

8.  Increases in postage that are so out of whack with the economy--it should be criminal. Padded flat rates went up over a dollar in only two years? And eBay refuses to negotiate a better deal for sellers here.

 

9. LOSS of transparency--for example, being able to see our views on our listings.

 

10. Increased invasion into our "personal" space, i.e. our stores that we pay fees on. With other sellers listings taking over our space, and even pushing our descriptions down BELOW other seller's listings. 

 

11. Intrusion in our promotions--for example, I offered buy two get one free in my store, and (I was doing this from someone else's account just to see what it looked like) after I agreed to purchase one item, a box popped up with ANOTHER seller's items in it that were recommended--how in the world does this make sense? I was confused and I KNEW what was happening--totally disgraceful. And I don't even understand what the purpose of this was--was it to slow my sales? Was it to coerce the buyer to spend more? Was it just a stupid move by eBay that wasn't very well thought out? 

 

12.  Threats for having "contact" after a sale with a buyer. Does eBay not realize that there are ALL kinds of reasons for a buyer to contact a seller--not necessarily bad ones--in fact, with the "return this item" button staring them in the face--why would they even bother to contact us first? By keeping these parameters vague, eBay retains the right to boot anyone for their so-called violation of this mystical and unknown to anyone BUT eBay, magical number of "too much" contact. Absurd.

 

13. An increasingly hostile environment, where sellers cannot defend themselves against even the most in-your-face, out and out, theft. Where the seller's word is dirt--no matter if they have been spotless for 20 years--a ZERO feedback buyer wins. Only serving to attract the bottom feeders, and completely ignoring the fact that eBay SELLERS ARE BUYERS TOO--and usually GOOD ones. Absolutely horrendous. 

 

14.  Now not allowing sellers to use the promotions tool in the manner that it was SOLD to us when we purchased our stores--now having to wait 14 days to put an item on sale--absolutely disastrous for sellers, and this will only serve to shrink our already slow sales down to a trickle.

 

15. Continued support of foreign sellers over American sellers here--by allowing rule infractions, multiple postings, return scams, and preferential placement in the search.

 

16. A continued lack of respect for the small sellers--the ones who built this company--the ones who have bent over backwards to follow the rules, to treat the buyers with respect, and the ones who made eBay what it is today. To turn a cold shoulder to those sellers is beyond reprehensible, and truly shows what eBay has become. A greedy, corporate machine--with an agenda that benefits no one but whoever the "chosen" ones are--and small sellers, we ain't the ones.  Not anymore--not after they wrenched from us all they could--now they are on to bigger and better. And if they can't steal the last couple of pennies from our hands, then we aren't of any use to them anymore.

 

I am sure I am forgetting some things--it truly has become a nightmare around here. I would have never believed you if you had told me that this is what eBay would become. I used to get on these boards and BLAST anyone who dared to disrespect this site--anyone who had a complaint. I would tell them that they were absurd--oh yes, I was a cheerleader for sure--and if anyone mentioned treating a buyer badly, God help you when I got through with you. I was so grateful to have eBay--because it truly changed my life. And throughout all the changes I have seen, up until now--I have still maintained that eBay was the best thing going. All the unique and awesome items--and all the great sellers with their personalities and chatty little messages. I know that I am not alone--I know that the personal service eBay used to provide to customers meant a lot to some of them. Sure, there are people that have no time for that--but that's what AZ was for--unpersonalized buying. Here--it was just a bonus for some--nice to have the option, at least. 

 

Sellers--they have taken everything we have to give, and to keep us living in fear, on this hamster wheel of stress that they have created is beyond horrendous--it is shameful. And eBay, you really ought to be ashamed. You grew on the backs of every small seller here, what you are today you could have never accomplished without the small US sellers. And I know it is the "new" way right now to disrespect, use, abuse, and cheat your employees--I see this all over America right now--and that is partly the reason why the economy is in such a state, and also partly the reason why America is failing. eBay do you really want to add to the problem?

 

You have an opportunity to set an example--you have an opportunity to bring about some change. Instead of rolling with the pack of wolves that are devouring the middle class, instead of taking advantage, instead of promoting overseas business ahead of American interests--you could rise above this and come out like a hero. If you changed your plan to decimate your small American sellers, and instead embraced your roots and promoted your struggle--YOUR struggle eBay--the struggle you have faced dealing with other companies who have overrun you (but maybe only temporarily--can't you SEE that), and if you cornered your niche--and were HAPPY about having that niche--you could still win. If you promoted your US sellers and THEIR struggles, if you put yourself behind us and let the public know that you have some kind of morals and loyalty--regardless of what your THINK TANK thinks--people DO still care about stuff like that--can't you see how powerful an advertising campaign based around that could be?

 

But in any case, you won't win this way. What you are doing right now is the wrong way--and I don't care how many savvy millennials or millionaire executives you have telling you differently--they are wrong. You will not win here, not this way. You see, the difference between you and the others is that your company was built with a LOT of help. By sellers who have stuck with you through all the hard times, and who have stayed loyal. Not only is it morally reprehensible to turn out those sellers, but it also, in the long run--makes you look even LESS reliable and aimless. Honestly, your company looks like a clueless follower--like you don't have any idea of where you are going or what you are doing. Just looking for the latest trend, and hopping on board whatever looks attractive in the now. Where is the forward thinking? Does no one up at HQ give a thought to what this treatment of your long time sellers is doing to your reputation? Do you honestly think that you can just scrap the old and begin anew? Without thought or care to the many, many Americans (many disabled, veterans, single moms, college students, side-hustle middle class) that you are harming? How about an ad campaign based upon those types of sellers? Can you say tear-jerker? You are going to lose millions of buyers. Has anyone really thought that through?

 

What you are counting on is that the American public will continue to turn a blind eye--that they continue to allow politicians, businesses, and the government to take advantage of their good nature. That they will simply be distracted and not notice the unfairness and inequality that surrounds them every day. That they will continue to allow themselves to be thrown under the bus for the 1%, for corporate interests, and that getting a little shiny thing for cheap will continue to appeal. But we are not the proverbial frog in the pot--and a revolution is on the horizon. How long do you think people will watch as their children go jobless--paying off inflated student loans, with no hope of a bright future? How long do you think people will continue to become poorer and poorer, with no reliable health insurance, no raises, and no money in savings? While the rich just continue to take and get richer.  A change is coming--you can bet on it. And you could be at the cutting edge of that change, instead of trying to ride the "**bleep** America" bus all the way to golden parachute land. Think about it eBay--please think about it. You have a lot of people's lives in your hands. And before you make these sweeping decisions and changes all the time--can't you even contemplate for one second, how to use your power for good? For America, and for the small sellers that have had your back all these years? Can't you find it in your heart to at least give us a fair chance? If you can't, then I say to you--best of luck, because you are going to need it.  Already the on-line buzz is that eBay is making terrible choices--and NO one wants to support a company that appears to be ignorant and that has NO identity--no matter how cheap the trinkets (and that cheap trinket bus is losing its appeal for buyers--please someone up there LOOK at the data). Just because you allow millions more sellers of garbage on here, doesn't mean that garbage is becoming more popular. Social media will be filled with stories of how sellers are being scammed here, and when their losses become too large, then the last of the hangers-on won't be here anymore either--at least, not the small American ones.

 

So in closing I say to you, sellers--the time is NOW to make yourselves heard--before eBay completely destroys this site that WE have built. For them to be so incredibly arrogant, and so delusional--to think that they don't owe their sellers here any more than this--how dare they? How dare they threaten, coerce, steal, undermine, harass, and devalue us? Write, call, post, use Social Media--anything you can do to make them HEAR us--because they obviously think that we have no voice, and that we will simply accept any garbage that they ask us to swallow.  But we will NOT.  At least, I will not. And if I have to surrender my account to say so--then so be it--change requires sacrifice.

 

And to you, eBay execs--I implore you to think things through here--because this really is the end--for so many of us. You have pushed the sellers here to the point where the stress, disrespect, and constant fleecing of us, has reached the critical stage. You have stripped us of our pride--both in our work, and in YOU. You have taken any kind of independence and control of our businesses away from us, and you have restricted our abilities to sell, by binding them to your ever evolving, and increasingly harmful agenda. Forcing us to bend, over and over again to your will, and forever setting the bar higher and adding hoop after hoop for us to jump through. For many of us--to continue down this path of degradation with you, and to continue to allow ourselves to be debased, and treated like simpletons that require a firm hand and a leash--is an exercise in self abuse that we cannot tolerate anymore--and we simply cannot, in good conscious, continue to support a company that obviously does not have our best interests at heart--nor even in mind.

 

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Don't know if this has been addressed, but I must comment on the math:

2. A 10% decrease in our discount for being a top rated seller plus--without ANY reason, trade-off, or apology given.

It's a 50% decrease in the discount. The discount was cut in half. On the same topic, anyone getting a 4% fee increase for too many returns is getting a 40% increase in final value fees. Going from $10 in fees to $14 = 40 percent. We need to stop thinking in terms of what items sell for and start thinking in terms of how much more eBay is keeping.

 

How right you are.....great points. Math was never my best subject, but I am happy for the corrections. Well, not happy--but I understand where my math was wrong. 🙂

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I guess I will go to a longer handling time.  I mean what is the point if they aren't going to give the discount and they took away the TRS badge.  Might as well have less stress on having to earn the TRS badge, because it doesn't exist anymore.  I am not going to do GD or free returns.  

 

 

Personally, I think that ANY way sellers choose to show their displeasure is a point for the sellers here, and I have thought seriously about changing my handling time as well--but I just can't get in the mood to do anything eBay related right now--maybe tomorrow.  I am sick of the entire site--to be honest. I can't even leave feedback right now in one of my stores--it just goes to a blank screen--for days this has been happening. Why? Who knows? A bunch of my listings ended today and I am missing about ten of them. Where did they go? Who knows? The frustration only seems to get worse--never better--and there is a limit to how much double-checking, and back-peddling one person can do--it never seems to end. I can't even find the time to list because I am constantly trying to figure out what the heck is going on, and constantly going back to re-work or fix things that I thought were good to go. It really has gotten totally absurd.

 

Right now, I would sooner cut off my pinky toe, than put any more effort into my stores here--I am just disgusted--and if I didn't have these boards right now, my family would most likely be hiding from me--even the dog, probably. 🙂 So thanks for listening and being supportive--everyone here too--because even though I am enraged, I am also (somewhat) content in the knowledge that I am not alone. 

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@jason_incognito wrote:

question. 

 

Do you really believe that Radio Shack would be a profitable compnay had they stayed the same selling parts for ham radios?


I do.

That is what built them up to who they were.

Almost everyone I know is upset that RS closed its doors.

I wasn't aware until now that the CEO was from McDonalds.  : 0

Seriously?

RS tried to adapt AND then died.

 

The post was mainly about how corporate greed tried to copy another model for retail, and then lost.

I don't think that ebay would admit to that kind of mistake either.  (not that they admit to anything wrong, they look at it as an accomplishment)

 

There are so many varieties of product to be purchased from large companies that they don't need to be replicated.

What bothers me the most, is new CEO's come in, with no real experience from the field level and think that they know better than the real contributors and  barely listen to all of the 'yes people' who agree with them.

 

Wenig already looks down on the old business model, so why would he even bother to take the job?

EGO!

 

 

 

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In reply to fuzzyfurball:

I am not an eBay seller, just a buyer.

But I agree with your statements that "only vintage and authentic items should be allowed, and NO CHEAP CHINESE JUNK ALLOWED"

 

I buy antique motorcycle parts, and WOW, do I ever get tired of seeing page after page of cheezy Chinese mirrors EVERY WEEK, always labeled "fits ...(brand name)"

when the junk obviously doesn't.

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@dr.clockenstien wrote:

@jason_incognito wrote:

question. 

 

Do you really believe that Radio Shack would be a profitable compnay had they stayed the same selling parts for ham radios?


I do.

That is what built them up to who they were.

Almost everyone I know is upset that RS closed its doors.

I wasn't aware until now that the CEO was from McDonalds.  : 0

Seriously?

RS tried to adapt AND then died.

  


I think that they died because the CEO had no idea what the actual business was.  Most CEOs today operate on college textbook theories and never had real world experience in the retail business they are taking over.

 

One of my favorite business stories is Target.  30 years ago Target was a cheap department store that was in competition with KMart and Murphys.  But the leaders of the company saw that children were where money is being spent and so quietly and slowly altered the direction of the merchandise the store carried and how they were presenting it.  Now Target is a powerhouse and a must shop store for most families.

 

I think that Radio Shack could have easily adapted to become the store that has everything Best Buy doesn't and believe me, that is something that is needed in the real world.  CEOs forget that niche markets spend money too, and having everything that all the other stores have is not the best way to go. 

(*Bleep*)
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@mczombies wrote:

I guess I will go to a longer handling time.  I mean what is the point if they aren't going to give the discount and they took away the TRS badge.  Might as well have less stress on having to earn the TRS badge, because it doesn't exist anymore.  I am not going to do GD or free returns.  

 

 

Personally, I think that ANY way sellers choose to show their displeasure is a point for the sellers here, and I have thought seriously about changing my handling time as well--but I just can't get in the mood to do anything eBay related right now--maybe tomorrow.  I am sick of the entire site--to be honest. I can't even leave feedback right now in one of my stores--it just goes to a blank screen--for days this has been happening. Why? Who knows? A bunch of my listings ended today and I am missing about ten of them. Where did they go? Who knows? The frustration only seems to get worse--never better--and there is a limit to how much double-checking, and back-peddling one person can do--it never seems to end. I can't even find the time to list because I am constantly trying to figure out what the heck is going on, and constantly going back to re-work or fix things that I thought were good to go. It really has gotten totally absurd.

 

Right now, I would sooner cut off my pinky toe, than put any more effort into my stores here--I am just disgusted--and if I didn't have these boards right now, my family would most likely be hiding from me--even the dog, probably. 🙂 So thanks for listening and being supportive--everyone here too--because even though I am enraged, I am also (somewhat) content in the knowledge that I am not alone. 


ebay has also been leeching out all of our incentive too.

All of these new changes have affected us on the intellectual level as well.

It's part of the science behind dumb and careless management.

 

They keep tightening the screws on our collars, ignore legitimate arguments, disagreements, etc. to the point of exhaustion.

To me this is not about being tough, or creative, or competitive.

I am rife with those qualities.

 

This is about greed and the assumption that my products and money belongs to them.

And the mere concept that I will open my door for them to ransack my house because they aren't making enough money, or sales, or returns, or giving away stuff for free for the ebay reputation is an outrage.

 

To those who keep saying that "this is not about YOU",  I say yes it IS.

Whether they like it or not, it's about all of YOU too.

 

If it is not about US, then why bother to twist everyones arms to play their game?

Just let the others who comply do what ebay wants to, and leave the rest of us alone.

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@retrose1 wrote:

 

  


I think that they died because the CEO had no idea what the actual business was.  Most CEOs today operate on college textbook theories and never had real world experience in the retail business they are taking over.

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I think that Radio Shack could have easily adapted to become the store that has everything Best Buy doesn't and believe me, that is something that is needed in the real world.  CEOs forget that niche markets spend money too, and having everything that all the other stores have is not the best way to go. 


Thank you.

 

It makes me laugh, because eveytime I think of that idea, it reminds me of going to the beach and EVERY store sells the SAME thing.

 

The one who actually makes out is the distributor.

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ebay has also been leeching out all of our incentive too.

All of these new changes have affected us on the intellectual level as well.

It's part of the science behind dumb and careless management.

 

They keep tightening the screws on our collars, ignore legitimate arguments, disagreements, etc. to the point of exhaustion.

To me this is not about being tough, or creative, or competitive.

I am rife with those qualities.

 

This is about greed and the assumption that my products and money belongs to them.

And the mere concept that I will open my door for them to ransack my house because they aren't making enough money, or sales, or returns, or giving away stuff for free for the ebay reputation is an outrage.

 

To those who keep saying that "this is not about YOU",  I say yes it IS.

Whether they like it or not, it's about all of YOU too.

 

If it is not about US, then why bother to twist everyones arms to play their game?

Just let the others who comply do what ebay wants to, and leave the rest of us alone.

 

Hell, YES! 

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Yep ended my store subscription. I am real close to ending any business I have with Ebay! 

 

I would not stay in a relationship with a person who is deceptive and morally corrupt, so common sense tells me my relationship with eBay is over!!

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Why do you go to every posting attacking sellers so much? It's like you have some sort of agenda against them.  Starting to become a trend.

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After the last 3 month's poor results, its hard to get motivated to create new listings...

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Well said and true.

I had hoped ebay would stand by its American sellers.
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I felt that way too. A while back I posted that I wondered if that A <-- other company had placed people inside eBay or paid off higher ups to ruin eBay. Or china, ok A and china basically same entity.
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I am willing to help anyway I can. @mczombies... if it's ok with you im going to copy you post and send it through the link that ebay provides.. that say,,"we want to hear from you"
Thank you so much taking the time to detail the specifics one by one. Ebay is ruining the business it built with each and every one of those changes.. it's like a thousand papercuts , and eventually one would bleed to death.
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oops,i mean,, it's like death by a thousand papercuts.
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