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An item shows 7 bids by the same/only bidder, up $5 each bid, no other bidders, no counter bids. How can this be? The bidder would be bidding against him/herself?

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@auntieannie2 wrote:

This is not a reserve price auction. There is a bidding option and a 'buy it now' option. 165483514223

Still wondering how this could be?  Have not seen it before.


You are incorrect.  It WAS an auction with a Reserve Price.  Unless you examined the Listing Page (not any search results, not the Bid History) before the Reserve was met specifically looking for "Reserve not met", there would have been no indication that there ever was a Reserve Price on it, other than that the price is higher than 1 bid increment over the underbidder's maximum bid or is higher than  the Starting Price if there is only 1 bidder (as here). 

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So this must be on another account?

If there is only one bidder, then he can bid to the moon and back, but his showing bid will remain the same until there is another bidder for competition.

If we had the item #, it would be easier to explain.  

 

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@auntieannie2,

 

As @soh.maryl  wrote,  A person cannot bid against themselves and raise the price. If the price is going up then there is a second bidder. Because the computer generated scrambled IDs in the (a***b) format sometimes are almost the same, look again to see if there is a different one in there.   Also click on the See automatic bids button. 

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The bids would all show up IF his final bid met a Reserve.

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Either there is a second bidder or there was a Reserve Price on the auction that s/he met.  The showing price ("current bid") cannot get above the Starting Price without one or the other.  The bid of the other bidder will be physically above the string of consecutive bids (see the timestamps and read the general information below). 

 

If there is no bid by any bidder anywhere above the consecutive bids, then there was a Reserve Price that the bidder "nibbled" up to and met (before it was met all those bids showed the same amount--the one of the bottom bid in the run of bids by that bidder); unfortunately eBay removed the "Reserve met" indicator in the Bid History Page in a reformat a few months ago, but that is the only way that pattern can be there. 

 

If there is no earlier bid above the consecutive bids but there is at least one later one then there are multiple possible reasons for that results, which we might or might not be able to tell by examining the full Bid History Page:  Most likely nibbled up against an unmet Reserve but didn't meet it and gave up; There may have been an earlier bid s/he was nibbling against that was later cancelled or retracted and then a new bid was placed after that; S/he may have been making multiple bids that did not raise the "current bid" for some reason known only to him/her (or just ignorance of how it works).   

 

A few things to know in order to read a Bid History:

Never go by a bid history on a mobile app or the mobile web.  They are deliberately incomplete and worse than useless.

Any bid of the high bidder that is higher than the "current bid" (what the price would be if there is no further activity before the auction ends, calculated primarily by the "underbid"--the highest bid of the 2nd highest bidder--generally the underbid plus 1 bid increment) is displayed with the current bid amount instead of the actual bid amount.  All other bids show at the actual amount of that bid.  Thus there can be multiple bids of the highest bidder at the top showing the same amount.

Bids are sorted by AMOUNT of the bid (the hidden maximum for each bid of the highest bidder showing at the "current bid" amount at the top), not by time received.  For some reason people tend to expect them to be from latest to earliest bids, and if they notice the timestamps some take that to mean something is wrong rather than adjusting their expectations of how it works.

If there have been any cancellations or retractions those are shown in their own section below the main bid history table.  Be aware that when a bid is retracted prior to the last 12 hours or cancelled at any time ALL prior bids by that bidder are removed from the main history but information on only the last (which will be the highest) will be given in that section.

The "Show automatic bids" function is a tool that attempts to recreate the "current bid" that may have shown at various times during the auction but it is only that:  a tool to recreate (it is not a record of what actually showed at various times); a tool that attempts (it is often wrong, displaying "automatic bids" that never were the displayed "current bid" and not showing what actually showed as the "current bid" at various times such as what showed before a cancellation or retraction--a good thing as showing that could reveal more of the leader's bid than should be shown--or when a Reserve Price is first met--showing what that reserve was, not so good an omission);  the timestamp on the "automatic bid" is  not the time that that "current bid" was started to be displayed but rather is the time of a bid by the bidder it is attributed to; in any event the notion of "automatic bids" is misleading as it is based on an imperfect analogy used to oversimplify the eBay bidding process (in reality, eBay doesn't "bid on your behalf" but rather calculates what the price would be if there is no further activity before the auction ends, displays that as the "current bid" and hides the full amount of any bid by the highest bidder that exceeds that calculated price by substituting that "current bid" for the full amount of that bid).

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@nobody*s_perfect wrote:

The bids would all show up IF his final bid met a Reserve.


 

 

@nobody*s_perfect,

 

Damned CRS is getting worse. I completely forgot about Reserve price auctions.

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This is not a reserve price auction. There is a bidding option and a 'buy it now' option. 165483514223

Still wondering how this could be?  Have not seen it before.

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Looks like a "Reserve met" situation to me, especially since the timing of the bids is so close together (7 bids in less than 2 minutes).  The bid history used to indicate when a reserve had been met, but that info no longer appears.

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@auntieannie2 wrote:

This is not a reserve price auction. There is a bidding option and a 'buy it now' option. 

Still wondering how this could be?  Have not seen it before.


If definitely had a reserve. This was relisted. If you look  at the completed listings it was listed before and ended are 165 with reserve not met.  It's been relisted and this time the reserve is met. 

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The seller has several listings that follow the same basic pattern: auction with a high starting price, a buy it now not that much higher, and also a reserve price.

 

Seems like a very expensive selling strategy to limit the sale price to a relatively narrow range, unless someone comes along and places a bid high enough to wipe out the buy-it-now option early on.

 

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@auntieannie2 wrote:

This is not a reserve price auction. There is a bidding option and a 'buy it now' option. 165483514223

Still wondering how this could be?  Have not seen it before.


You are incorrect.  It WAS an auction with a Reserve Price.  Unless you examined the Listing Page (not any search results, not the Bid History) before the Reserve was met specifically looking for "Reserve not met", there would have been no indication that there ever was a Reserve Price on it, other than that the price is higher than 1 bid increment over the underbidder's maximum bid or is higher than  the Starting Price if there is only 1 bidder (as here). 

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My error, thought I checked thoroughly. Thank you for pointing it out. Now it does make sense.

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