Question about bidding results

[appleton.dpw]

Hello:   Our second highest bidder is asking why they didn't win this auction.  Does anyone have an explanation we can pass along?  Thanks.

[18704d]

The winning bidder beat their bid by less than 1 second?

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Lynn

[thatsallfolks]

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@18704dwrote:

The winning bidder beat their bid by less than 1 second?

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Lynn

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Yes, that's exactly what happened. Incredibly rare when the bid is that high.

[appleton.dpw]

Did they both enter $3062 within a second of each other?  Then since it was a tie bid the one entered first won, and the names flipped?

[thatsallfolks]

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@appleton.dpwwrote:

Did they both enter $3062 within a second of each other?  Then since it was a tie bid the one entered first won, and the names flipped?

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Yes. The winner is ALWAYS shown at the top of the list, no matter when they placed their bid.

[hioctane62]

Looks to me like the second place bidder had their sniper software set to exactly the first place bidder's max bid amount. Then when the sniper software bid at the last second, the first place bidder's max bid prevailed.

[thatsallfolks]

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@hioctane62wrote:

Looks to me like the second place bidder had their sniper software set to exactly the first place bidder's max bid amount. Then when the sniper software bid at the last second, the first place bidder's max bid prevailed.

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There’s no way for you to know if sniping software was used. And both bids were registered at the same time. And neither of them was in first place when the bids were made.

[partial*eclipse]

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@hioctane62wrote:

Looks to me like the second place bidder had their sniper software set to exactly the first place bidder's max bid amount. Then when the sniper software bid at the last second, the first place bidder's max bid prevailed.

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The two final bids were both placed during the final second of the auction.

There's never any way to tell whether a specific bid was placed manually or by a sniping service.  In fact, the default lead time for most commercial sniping services is 6 seconds so IMHO these two bids were more likely placed manually.

[chrysylys]

This is another reason to ALWAYS use pennies.

If #2 had bid 3062.26 (or any other penny amount), they would have won.  It is far less likely for anyone to match you to the penny than it is to the dollar.

[livadia]

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@partial*eclipsewrote:

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@hioctane62wrote:

Looks to me like the second place bidder had their sniper software set to exactly the first place bidder's max bid amount. Then when the sniper software bid at the last second, the first place bidder's max bid prevailed.

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The two final bids were both placed during the final second of the auction.

There's never any way to tell whether a specific bid was placed manually or by a sniping service.  In fact, the default lead time for most commercial sniping services is 6 seconds so IMHO these two bids were more likely placed manually.

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Actually, one of the more popular ones will bid for you as late as one (1) second before the end of the auction.  Many people don't use this setting as there's not enough time for a re-bid to occur but it is possible.

My guess is *both* bidders used a bid-sniping service since it looks like both placed bids in the final moments of the auction.   Could have very easily been one was using say a 3-second snipe and the other a 1-second setting which meant the 1-second bidder's bid wouldn't have had time to increase/increment so they lost out.

[livadia]

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@chrysylyswrote:

This is another reason to ALWAYS use pennies.

If #2 had bid 3062.26 (or any other penny amount), they would have won.  It is far less likely for anyone to match you to the penny than it is to the dollar.

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@chrysylys    Yep, I do the same thing.

[fuzzface50]

8***1 was a bidder that entered an earlier  bid and was winning at $3002.10 at 3:59:55 but with a high proxy bid of $3062. Then when the second place bidder tried sniping with a bid of $3062, the other guy won with the same bid because he bid that amount first.

Click show automatic bids then it should get cleared to what actually happened.

[fuzzface50]

if the second place bidder would have placed his true high bid the first time he bid, he would have won but because he was nibble bidding along he lost. 

We always try to tell people bid once your highest amount the first time you bid. by not following this advice he lost. 

[partial*eclipse]

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@livadiawrote:

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@partial*eclipsewrote:

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 ... the default lead time for most commercial sniping services is 6 seconds so IMHO these two bids were more likely placed manually.

Actually, one of the more popular ones will bid for you as late as one (1) second before the end of the auction.  Many people don't use this setting as there's not enough time for a re-bid to occur but it is possible.....

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Indeed, even though the default is 6 seconds,  users can adjust this time. Myself, I adjust it to 7 seconds, exactly because of situations like this: My proxy bid might tie or be not a full bid increment above the high bid showing if it's pitted against another bid placed with 6 seconds left.

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@livadiawrote:

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 ....   Could have very easily been one was using say a 3-second snipe and the other a 1-second setting which meant the 1-second bidder's bid wouldn't have had time to increase/increment so they lost out.

It doesn't work that way.  The bid history shows that the two final bids were both placed during the final second.  Bids are processed in the order that they were received.  There is no possibility that an accepted proxy bid "wouldn't have had time to increase/increment."

[thatsallfolks]

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@fuzzface50wrote:

8***1 was a bidder that entered an earlier  bid and was winning at $3002.10 at 3:59:55 but with a high proxy bid of $3062. Then when the second place bidder tried sniping with a bid of $3062, the other guy won with the same bid because he bid that amount first.

Click show automatic bids then it should get cleared to what actually happened.

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Sorry, no. 8***1 (samsie18 in the OP's display) placed TWO bids: one for $3,002.10 at 3:59:55, and the winning $3,062 bid at 4:00:00. That's why they appear twice in the bid history without using the "show automatic bids" function.