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Several bids by the same user absolutely in the same time

Hello community!

 

I am some newly participating here and try to know that I have never met before here. However, seems to be the "interesting" situation of bidding. I will provide the print screen. 

 

9***a it is me there. I pressed to show automatical bids.

 

I wonder how 4***8 could place 27 Feb 2021 at 19:21:29 AEDST the following bids- AU $225.50, AU $237.50, AU $242.50, AU $245.00 (ALL FOUR bids were made at 19:21:29 AEDST!) 

 

If 4***8's winning bid AU $245.00 was placed at 19:21:29 AEDST, how 5***-'s  AU $235.00 at 19:30:21 that is lower was counted and not automatically outbid with request to add bigger amount?

 

 

What was used to to place those 4 bids in the same time till seconds - any so-called sniper software, or bidding from the same account by several ghost bidders, or something else? Exactly this is impossible to be done by the same one person seating near pc and using only two own hands to press keys to bid!

 

Any idea about such bidding and is it acceptable here or should it be at least reported?

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Several bids by the same user absolutely in the same time

Turn off the "Show automatic bids" and you will see that there was only ONE bid by that bidder at that time.  The "Show automatic bids" tool is just a tool that attempts to show what that bid APPEARED to be at different times during the auction; all of those reconstruction attempts display the same timestamp as one of the actual bids by that bidder.

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@anofay_91 wrote:

I wonder how 4***8 could place 27 Feb 2021 at 19:21:29 AEDST the following bids- AU $225.50, AU $237.50, AU $242.50, AU $245.00 (ALL FOUR bids were made at 19:21:29 AEDST!) 

 

What was used to to place those 4 bids in the same time till seconds - any so-called sniper software, or bidding from the same account by several ghost bidders, or something else? Exactly this is impossible to be done by the same one person seating near pc and using only two own hands to press keys to bid!


An eBay bid is just a URL encoded with the hash of the username, password, item number, and price. Any computer could squirt out multitudes of queued URLs without waiting for a response, which translates to multiple bids within the same second.

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When bidder 4**8 placed their bid, it was for 445.00 or higher. What you see are the automatic bids that ebays proxy bidding system uses.

 

And user 9**a lost because their 445.00 bid was placed AFTER ebay placed the bid from 4**8 for the same amount.

 

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Several bids by the same user absolutely in the same time

Turn off the "Show automatic bids" and you will see that there was only ONE bid by that bidder at that time.  The "Show automatic bids" tool is just a tool that attempts to show what that bid APPEARED to be at different times during the auction; all of those reconstruction attempts display the same timestamp as one of the actual bids by that bidder.

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Several bids by the same user absolutely in the same time

Thank you everybody for reply!

 

Got it. So, it is rather thing that is called automatic bidding. 

 

Not for solving here, of course, but IMO that facility should be improved in matter of displaying separate time for each bid even if it is automatic to avoid misleading in thinking 🙂

 

Thanks again!

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Several bids by the same user absolutely in the same time

@anofay_91,

 

Several people tried to bid in the last seconds after 4***8's automatic bid of AU 245.00 was received at 19:21:29. Yours apparently was for the same amount placed at 19:30:32 and since it was placed after 4***8's they won. The earlier bid always breaks a tie.   Had you bid a few odd cents more, say AU 245.03 you would have won the auction by 3cents.

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@anofay_91 wrote:

Thank you everybody for reply!

 

Got it. So, it is rather thing that is called automatic bidding. 

 

Not for solving here, of course, but IMO that facility should be improved in matter of displaying separate time for each bid even if it is automatic to avoid misleading in thinking 🙂

 

Thanks again!


But that person only placed one bid; using separate timestamps for eBay's automated counter-bids would just make things more confusing. If you want to know when that automated counter-bid was placed, just look at the timestamp of the actual bid below it (or above it, if the new bidder is now the leader).

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Several bids by the same user absolutely in the same time


@anofay_91 wrote:

Thank you everybody for reply!

 

Got it. So, it is rather thing that is called automatic bidding. 

 

Not for solving here, of course, but IMO that facility should be improved in matter of displaying separate time for each bid even if it is automatic to avoid misleading in thinking 🙂

 

Thanks again!


The problem is that eBay tries to explain the bidding process with an imperfect analogy of "automatically bidding on your behalf."  That is NOT how it really works:

 

HOW EBAY AUCTIONS REALLY WORK

eBay does not use an English Outcry auction format (bid and counterbid, going going gone to the last bidder at the full amount of the last bid) and you put yourself at a big disadvantage if you try to bid like it was such a format. eBay's auctions use a fixed-time semi-sealed-bid modified second-price (Vickery) format. This makes them fair to all potential bidders no matter their timezone or schedule. What you need to know to understand how eBay (this does not include "Live Auctions" on the eBay site which have different rules) auctions work:

The highest bidder (as of the end of the auction) wins, regardless of when his bid is placed (even if it was received in the last second and didn't show on your screen when your countdown got to 0), but the price is set by the SECOND highest bidder (generally that underbidder's highest bid plus 1 bid increment; less if the winner's bid is not a full increment higher than the underbid, including an earlier tie; more if needed to meet the reserve in a reserve listing; the starting bid amount set by the seller if there is only 1 bidder and no reserve).

During the auction eBay calculates and posts a "current bid", which is simply what the price will be if there is no further bid activity before the auction ends, and uses that "current bid" to set a minimum amount for new bids (1 increment over the "current bid" except for the very first bid, which need only be at least the "starting bid" amount set by the seller).

During and after the auction, eBay hides the full amount of the leader's/winner's bid to the extent that it exceeds that calculated price. (If the winner/leader has made multiple bids, only those that exceed the price have their full amount hidden.) For any such hidden bid amount, eBay substitutes the calculated price amount for the full amount of the bid.

When you bid less than what the current leader has bid before you, you are immediately outbid and become the new underbidder and the "current bid" is recalculated at 1 increment higher than your bid (or the full amount of the previously hidden maximum if less than an increment over your new bid, including an earlier-placed tie--ties go to the earlier placed bid). When you bid more than what current leader has bid before you, you take the lead at 1 bid increment over his/her (previously hidden) maximum (or the full amount of your bid if it is less than a full increment over his previously hidden maximum; but if it was "Reserve not met" before you bid and your bid was at least as high as the previously unmet reserve price you take the lead at the exact amount of the reserve price unless the general rule would dictate a higher price because the previously hidden maximum was less than an increment below the reserve).

Some people, including eBay, try to simplify this by drawing an analogy to an outcry auction, but one where eBay automatically "places bids on your behalf" up to your maximum bid (hence the phrase "automatic bidding"). This is an imperfect analogy, and in many cases people trying to apply it to a particular situation end up either oversimplifying or overcomplicating the process leading to many misconceptions, such as that an "automatic bid" is a real tangible thing that is recorded at a specific time and that the "Show automatic bids" on the bid history displays those records instead of imperfectly trying to recreate what was displayed at a time different from what is on the timestamp. If you want to understand how the eBay bidding process happens you need to get away from that analogy. (It is not necessary to understand it if you know and use the winning strategy below and are willing to accept the results as accurate even though you don't understand how they were arrived at.)

The only winning strategy on an eBay auction is to bid your real honest wouldn't-bid-an-increment-more TRUE maximum that you would pay for this particular item WITHOUT REGARD to what anyone else appears or doesn't appear to have bid. Since what anyone else has or will have bid by the time the auction ends is already figured into the price if you win, there is no need to try to figure it into your bid (other than to assume that someone else is likely to bid about the same amount as you, so it is a good tactic to bid a bit over the round number you likely have in mind as your true maximum to increase your odds of being on the winning side of what might have been a tie or a loss to someone who knows this tactic); all you need to figure is at what price point you would rather someone else get the item than you having to pay more. When you bid, early or late, or whether you put in a lesser bid(s) before your true maximum, those are tactical matters that may or may not influence the behavior of others (other bidders, potential bidders, and the seller) to your advantage or disadvantage.

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Several bids by the same user absolutely in the same time

Whenever you see that you can easily “test” the high bidder’s proxy by bidding the minimum bid in the smallest increment possible until your user ID comes up in between the high bidder’s highest bid and his second to highest bid in the bidding history. Drives them crazy when you do that.

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Hi everyone,



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Thank you for understanding.

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