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Listing Fees, high commissions including commission on shipping and handling, taxes, and now Ebay asked for my S.S. number, something that is always a "no no" to give out, especially over the internet. 
Apparently, the Feds wanted Ebay to collect Social Security numbers from anyone selling $20K or more, up until Jan. 1st., 2022 The new threshold is (drumroll please), only $600! Amazing and expected because this is the way everything is going; nothing is getting better. 
That being said, here's an issue that I ran in to. 
I listed and sold a camera on Ebay recently for $200, the buyer used the 30 Money Back Guarantee to ask for a refund. The refund was given, and I re-listed the same camera, and it sold again for $200. This Ebayer just did not pay, so I canceled it, and yes, I re-listed it a third time.
The camera sold and I was supposed to be paid $194 after Ebay was done chewing up the final price of $220 plus $10.00 for shipping. 
Ebay put the $194 payout on hold pending my S.S. number. Scroll back a bit and you'll see that the S.S. number is only required if you collect $600 or more. 
Well, on a chat with an Ebay "specialist", apparently, they include canceled and returned which means that the actual $194 was added to a return and a no-pay for a grand total of $630.
A 1099 is used to report earnings which I explained on the chat. I did not earn $600 but the "system" triggered a requirement for Ebay to obtain my S.S. number, how about that? 
If anyone can put a positive spin on this mess, I'm open for it. 

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The ball is in your court.   You can give ebay your SSN or the $194.   Your choice.

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Well, first of all you don't tug on Superman's cape.

 

You, apparently along with apparently almost everyone else on eBay, seem to think that just because eBay reported $600.00 in SALES that somehow you owe taxes on $600.00

 

NO - YOU DON'T. You owe taxes on the PROFIT not the total sale. You sold it for $200 then refunded $200 - twice. Therefore NO SALE and NO PROFIT and NO TAXES.

 

Then you finally sold it for $200.00. Your gross receipts (even though refunded) exceeded the threshold so, if you want to get paid give them the number.

 

Then go talk to a tax accountant because you are obviously over your head and an accountant will show how you owe essentially next to nothing.

 

BUT the IRS needs the info to know that you owe next to nothing. If you do not give the IRS the actual figures they will make up their own. And trust me you do not want them doing that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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As said above ^^^

If you want to continue to sell on eBay you must provide the SSN to comply with Federal law.

 

If you choose not to provide this then eBay will have no alternative but to send the funds to your state treasury and you will have to claim it from them, and provide the SSN to do so.

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@pbadome wrote:

Well, on a chat with an Ebay "specialist", apparently, they include canceled and returned which means that the actual $194 was added to a return and a no-pay for a grand total of $630.
A 1099 is used to report earnings which I explained on the chat. I did not earn $600 but the "system" triggered a requirement for Ebay to obtain my S.S. number, how about that? 
If anyone can put a positive spin on this mess, I'm open for it. 


eBay's "sales" figures have always been only that - sales.  No refunds are included, so returns and cancellations are not recorded there.

 

But this is just the way 1099 income is reported - gross figure.  To get to the actual taxable figure, you have to track your allowable deductions and report them on your income tax return(s) along with the 1099 income figure.  You'll then subtract the total deductions from the total 1099/untaxed income to get the net income figure to be added to any W2 income you are reporting.

 

Definitely contact that accountant/CPA that @richard1rst mentioned.  When I registered my business years ago, I also hired a CPA firm to assist with bookkeeping and income tax reporting.  At that time, I paid a flat $300 a year and received a given set of services and time allowances.  If more was needed, it would be billed at a stated rate.  Very straightforward contract.

 

It proved to be the second best decision I've made to date (the first being to marry my wife) -- when the IRS did decide to audit my tax return, I ended up with a small past due amount related to a few receipts I simply could not find.  So I wrote a check, they waived the penalties interest, and we were done.  Took several visits and hours-long meetings with the auditor, but the end result was a lot less painful that expected.

 

And here's a fun fact that I've know for decades but never really think about:  that kid who mows your yard for $25 a week should also be getting a 1099 from you, so he can report his income, deductions, and pay the net income tax (or have it added to his parent's taxes if under age 18 or not emancipated).  But the IRS, while they can enforce existing tax law on every penny earned from any source, tend to focus more on the bigger targets -- the occasional yard sale or lawn mowing is going to cost more to audit and process than it's going to generate, and the IRS doesn't like ending up spending more to get less. But like most agreements state: "the decision not to enforce US tax code on any given person on taxable entity does not preclude our ability to enforce US tax code at a later date or in a different case".  Just cuz I let you keep the few pieces of candy that I now know you collected from your friends doesn't mean I'm going to let you keep it next time.

 

Taxes cause a lot of unwarranted stress.  Keep your receipts.  Keep records of funds received and funds paid (and what was purchased).  Keep records of your mileage (date, time, odo start, odo end, miles driven, and reason for the trip) and you'll be able to deduct some/all of that.  Keep records of your yardsale purchases - date, address, # of pieces, total paid, brief list of what was purchased.  If you paid sticker price, take digital pics of the item and it's price sticker to document the cost.  If you negotiated a lower cost for clearing out the odds-n-ends no one if really interest in, do your best RIGHT AWAY to document what was bought and what part of the negotiated payment should be assigned to each/any given piece.

 

Find a decent accountant/CPA and avoid a lot of headaches.

 

-Bob.

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Back when you signed up to be an eBay seller - you in fact provided PayPal your s/n  as the were the Money Processor back then - they need the  same type of info. to make deposits in your PayPal Debit  card account.  Fast forward to early 2021. PayPal was no longer the Money Processor and the NEW Money Processor, eBay ,via an agreement  with Ayden is  the new Money Processor, they  need that same SSN and other  info like a checking account to deposit your payment.  This was  all stated in the eBay ANNOUNCEMENT  on the OVERVIEW page several times - guess you missed them

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Wrong. ebay is going to request your private info like SS no matter what if you sell here. ebay is legally required to issue 1099's to anyone who sells over $600 of product. If you were to reach that threshold and they didn't have your info, they would be violating the law.

 

For obvious reasons they cannot wait until you reach the $600 mark to demand your info.

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     As others mentioned the 1099 only reflects the Gross amount of funds processed by the third party financial processor and it is not based on what you collected but what flows through the processor. I fail to understand why the non payment would be included since no money was ever processed but eBay is still working out some glitches with the 1099's being provided to sellers. While I never exceeded the old 20K 1099 threshold I live in a state where the threshold was changed in 2020 so I have been getting 1099's for a couple of years and had a few errors in the first one I received but the difference only amounted to a few dollars. 

     With regards to your SSN take a moment to thing about how many people/businesses and organizations have it. Banks, CC companies, insurance companies any third party financial processors (PayPal, Venmo, Google Pay.........) and a dozen other state and federal government agencies. 

     If you total up the three transactions for the camera the total gross amount is $669.28 so yes you are past the 1099 issuance threshold however that is the gross and not what you will pay taxes on. By the time you take out all the expenses: eBay fees, shipping (both ways on the first sale if you paid for the return shipping), what you paid for the camera, misc. expenses, etc., to get to your net you may find you owe minimal tax, no tax or possibly even have a loss. Talk to a tax advisor when you get ready to file your 2022 taxes.  

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If you had been claiming your income all along, like you're supposed to be doing, you would know how to handle the returns when you do your taxes.

 

If you want to sell here and be paid, provide the SSN.

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@pbadome wrote:

Listing Fees, high commissions including commission on shipping and handling, taxes, and now Ebay asked for my S.S. number, something that is always a "no no" to give out, especially over the internet.  


Congress passed a law that requires eBay and all other third-party payment processors to report your gross payments by SSN. 

 

So if you do not want to give it to eBay, they not distribute the funds to you. It's that simple. 

 

If an incoming payment is processed, it gets reported even if it gets refunded later. Once again, that is what the LAW requires and not some mistake or mess that eBay created. 

 

As for being a "no no" - who says it is a "no-no?" My SSN has been required for every bank account, car loan, mortgage, or credit card I have ever applied for - online or in person. 

 

 

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Since when is giving someone your Social Security Number "a no-no?" 

 

You must provide it anytime you are doing anything reportable to the IRS or your state's tax department.

 

You must also provide it anytime you engage in any transaction subject to the Customer Identification Program provision of the US Patriot Act which includes, but is not limited to, giving it to:

 

-- Companies from which you are applying for credit: credit cards, loans of any type, cell phone service

-- Your department of motor vehicles

-- Employers
-- The three main credit reporting agencies: Equifax, Experian, and TransUnion
-- Investment advisors and brokerage houses
-- Banks
-- Companies with which you have a cash transaction of $10,000 or more: car dealerships, RV and boat dealerships, etc.
-- Companies facilitating real estate transactions

-- Federal and state agencies when applying for benefits: Social Security, Medicare, Disability, Medicaid, and other aid programs`

 

For decades, most schools used SSNs as student ID numbers, so if you are over about 40 years of age and attended any school in the US, it probably has your SSN.   SSNs were also commonly used as identifiers for medical records, and I'll wager it's in your medical records if you are over 40 years oa age.   And on and so on.


So getting all knotted up because eBay's payment processing requires you to have a bank account and an SSN seems a waste of time and energy that would be better spent in vigilance, in taking precautions to protect all that personal info that is already out there.

 

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With all of the data breaches, big and small, that have happened through the years, chances are your personal information (social security number included) has already been dumped, bought, and sold a few times on the dark web. eBay is probably less risk than a lot of other places where you've provided it.

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Interesting 'stuff'.  And since this topic has all of you 1099 experts involved, please help me understand:  Yes, I too will be impacted by the bloody 'lowering of the bar' from $20k down to a measily $600.......but so be it, there is nothing I can do about it.  BUT:

 

1)  When eBay issues the 1099, will it ONLY BE for the PURCHASE AMOUNTS.....and NOT INCLUDE what the collected for Shipping Charges; AND NOT INCLUDE what they collected for taxes?  Sounds like a dumb questions, but I have seen some of their software logic....and it stinks (e.g. new Listing Tool).

 

2)  Will  the 1099 provide us with ALL of the Final Value Fees they have collected for these sales?  And includes the rip-off charges against the Shipping Charges.....and the taxes they collected.

 

I have contacted my accountant about this new 1099 threshold, and this coming November we will discuss the potential impacts to me (who is retired and on fixed income....) .

 

Thanks in advance for your courteous informative responses!

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" But the IRS, while they can enforce existing tax law on every penny earned from any source, tend to focus more on the bigger targets -"

 The majority of audits (by 5x) are done on earners who claimed less than $25K. True story. Poor people tend to roll over and pay what they are asked while rich people tend to lawyer up and use every advantage they can to minimize money owed.
https://trac.syr.edu/tracirs/latest/679/

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/irs-audit-eitc-five-times-as-likely-to-get-audited/

https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/what-are-the-odds-being-audited.html

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"you in fact provided PayPal your s/n "

No, not true. Many people were never required to provide SSN to Paypal. And many never linked PP to a bank account either. I acknowledge that things have changed since states and now the Feds have changed reporting laws, but that as a blanket statement is incorrect.

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