U.S. Army Pin with Drum

[jerzee908]

I have a pretty good idea as to what this pin is, but I am looking for second opinions.

[indythings]

Late 1890's or early 1900's U.S. Army celluloid pinback ribbon style

Last time I saw one of these it turned out to be a 1976 replica and
didn't have the crossed batons or the British 18th century drummer colors drum.

Have seen any other remakes of this in circulation.

Was a Veterans thing or maybe Legionnaire deal, but was supposed to be a replica
of the Veterans (VFW) parade ribbon or sold to raise funding.

Would have to ID the back, as 1896 ones had card board inserts or sum identifying mark
that the modern version pins didn't.

Pretty rare, so not sure you'd find one on the net, value depends on age
and if the crossed batons insignia is regulation size. Off the top of my head, don't recall

any British issue insignia with a drum.

Might find sum time to browse old books if you post dimensions.

Just my opinion

[jerzee908]

Thank you very much for your reply.  The only other pin I could find on ebay that is like the one I have is this:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/WW2-US-Army-General-Political-Gen-MacArthur-Tin-Drum-amp-Drumsticks-Pinback-...

Now that you mention it, the drum does appear to be celluloid with metal drum heads.

I will post a few more pictures of the pin.  There are no markings at all on the pin(s)

[indythings]

Got back sum answers fast from queries I sent out...

I'm being told that because of the Clasp-back on that drum pin and the button
itself that you have the 1896 Veterans political type pinback ribbon
sold during the McKinley for President era.

C Clasps in the 1890's changed, but were not widely used until the 1900's,
in 1910's the safety clasp was invented and took over your pricier pieces
an insignia.

On the other hand sumone else says that you have a pieced together thing
agrees that the US Army pin could be late 1890's-1910's but because the ribbon
is not straight and no cardboard insert for the manufacturer.

He believes that the drum and ribbon was added later in it's life, possibly from that 1946
pinback but agreed that it was an old style c clasp.
just had nothing to confirm a date.

The third response I got was never seen one but has heard about the veterans
US Army celluloid pinback but not the ribbon attached. Not even positive
that's a US made drum thing.

I haven't paged thru any books yet, but that drum isn't a military regulation
authorized thing, so I'm positive that it's a proud to be a Veteran piece, just not
sure on that date, but from what I've seen in political pinbacks especially...

if you look at a McKinley For President Celluloid Pinback from 1896

 No lock on the Clasp-back good chance it's that old, over 100 years.

Just might be hard to prove, also may have appeal to political celluloid pinback
collectors.

will post again if I find any positive ID on it.

Just my opinion & Friends

[jerzee908]

Thank you so much for looking into this pin.  I am usually good at identifying military medals, patches, pins, etc., but this one has me stumped.  You gave me a few things to go off of to find out more.

Being that the drum is celluloid, it was most likely made between 1900-1930's/40's when celluloid was popular to use in jewelry making.  Celluloid was being used during the McKinley era so it might be possible it is as old as the U.S. Army pin.

I was under the impression this pin could be a pin for the United States Army Old Guard Fife and Drum Corps? 

Thank you so much for your help.

[jerzee908]

The drum could be bakelite as well.  It's too small for me to figure out.