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Disputing a FedEx smartpost overcharge

I'm wondering if anybody had any success with disputing a FedEx overcharge?

I shipped an item to a buyer on Oct 12, using the ebay shipping calculator. It was a light weight women jacket, the package weighted 1.3 lbs, dimension was 12" x 9" x 1". I was quoted for $8.45. Dropped off the package, delivered, done. Then I got a surprised bill - $39.21 charge for FedEx shipping fee. Please note the item was sold for $18, and I offered free shipping to the buyer.

 

I called eBay cs many times. The filed a dispute request to FedEx and it got denied. They mentioned dimensional weight. But the package was within normal size range and I just couldn't justify myself to this charge. I spoke to a supervisor earlier today and he's going to appeal this dispute request one more time.

 

Original quote from eBay:

 

 

What I got billed for:

 

I looked up the tracking number on fedex.com, shown the correct weight but incorrect dimensions...

 

 

Any suggestions on disputing this charge would be greatly appreciated!

 

Thank you.

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That pretty clearly appears to be an overcharge.

Roughly calculating, a 26x22x13 box constructed of 32ECT corrugated cardboard (about as chintzy as CC gets) would weigh a minimum of:
1.66oz/ft² x 1ft²/144in² x (26x22)x2 + (26x13)x2 + (22x13)x2 ) = 27.57 oz = 1.72 pounds

The tracking data shows the weight as 1.3 pounds. So even if your box WAS the dimensions FedEx claims, and was empty, it would weigh more than the weight they registered.

Supposedly you can escalate to a FedEx supervisor to get this corrected, but I have yet to see any evidence that that actually works. (I had one Smartpost overbilling issue 3 or 4 years ago and got eBay to credit it, but no overcharges since then and things have changed) @Anonymous
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@berserkerplanet wrote:
That pretty clearly appears to be an overcharge.

Roughly calculating, a 26x22x13 box constructed of 32ECT corrugated cardboard (about as chintzy as CC gets) would weigh a minimum of:
1.66oz/ft² x 1ft²/144in² x (26x22)x2 + (26x13)x2 + (22x13)x2 ) = 27.57 oz = 1.72 pounds

The tracking data shows the weight as 1.3 pounds. So even if your box WAS the dimensions FedEx claims, and was empty, it would weigh more than the weight they registered.

Supposedly you can escalate to a FedEx supervisor to get this corrected, but I have yet to see any evidence that that actually works. (I had one Smartpost overbilling issue 3 or 4 years ago and got eBay to credit it, but no overcharges since then and things have changed) @Anonymous

Hi @berserkerplanet & @hideawayaqua - disputing a potential FedEx  overcharge does require contacting eBay Customer Service to submit for an investigation. An update would not be provided to either eBay the purchaser of the label, but if a credit was approved it would be applied to your invoice within 2 billing cycles.

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Much appareacited.

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That's pretty outrageous and needs to be corrected.

FedEx overcharged you with data for a package that can't even physically exist (claimed dimensions and weight) and then denied the appeal.

Not the sort of thing that will look good if it sees the light of day (media or legal attention).
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I just had the EXACT thing happen. I checked my last invoice because I wondered why it was so high. I had a FedEx Smartpost charge me $88.77 to ship a women's jacket in a polybag. It should have cost me $9.61 from Oregon to TX. The price of shipping was more than the buyer paid for the jacket! The jacket with the polybag weighed 2.6lbs. That is accurate. What is not accurate is the dimensions. I shipped it in a 14.5" x 18.5" ebay branded polybag. It is the biggest one they have; they do not have bigger. The polybag with the jacket in it measured approximately 15" x 13" x 7"...overestimated a bit as I usually do. I was charged for 38" x 25" by 13". That would be a HUGE box! I do believe a box that big would have weighed 2.6lbs alone.
I called ebay on Wednesday and they said they would look into it and get back to me within 72 hours. I am not hopeful as it looks like this is a very difficult overcharge to fight. It seems to happen ALL THE TIME too, as evidenced by complaints on the ebay boards and other places. Something stinks about the whole thing.FedEx overcharge crop.jpg

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Yours is an odd duck. Haven't seen a non-box one like this before, but really doesn't matter.

Need to see what exactly your eBay invoice showed for this if you can (either a screenshot of those lines or just the info copied here (Bill Weight, service, any dimensions, any other charges/surcharges, billed amount, fuel amount, etc)

 

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For your stated dimensions and 3lb weight,  Smartpost base rate to zone 7 should have been $10.87 Add 57¢ for the 5.25% Fuel Surcharge and it comes to $11.44. That is the undiscounted estimate (and it's impossible to know what the eBay discount was from where I'm sitting).

 

You say it should have cost $9.61 (I assume that's what the eBay label cost was), so that would mean eBay gave you a 16% discount on that shipment (a very realistic discount amount in 2017)
In any case, that just shows that the $9.61 sounds about right and is what it should have cost*

 

*about the only other thing that could add would be if the destination zip was rural and incurred a $1.20 or $170 Delivery Area Surcharge (but the eBay label calculator catches that and it would have been in the original estimate - not added later by FedEx)

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FedEx Smartpost did not involve dimensional weight in any way prior to 1/22/18, so your shipment does not involve it either. The only places where dimensions come into play pre 1/22/18 is the non-machinable surcharge (which was $2.75 per package) and Balloon and Oversize considerations (if L+G > 84" uses 20lb balloon weight, if L+G>108" but less than 130" uses oversize rates)

IF your package was the size they claimed it would only be subject to an additional $2.75 non-machinable surcharge due to 1) 38" claimed length greater than 34"  and   2) Claimed length and 25" claimed width greater than 17"

From the tracking they claim 38x25x13: L+G = 38+(25+25+13+13) = 114" which pushes it into oversize realm. (when oversize, non-machinable surcharge is waived - they only penalize you once)

Oversize base rate for zone 7 is $80.98 with Fuel Surcharge of $4.25 it comes to $85.23

If FedEx is being sneaky, and using rates in place at time of delivery, then they used the 2018 rate table where Oversize to zone 7 is $84.34 and 5.25% Fuel Surcharge on that would be $4.43 for a total of $88.77 which is exactly what you say they charged.

 

So they inflated the package size (conveniently) to push is just over the oversize threshold, used the Jan 1, 2018 rate tables (instead of the 2017 rates tables when it was shipped), but used the pre Jan 7 lower 5.25% Fuel Surcharge on the inflated charge (how considerate).

 

 

You can see the math works out and demonstrates what they did. If it was the size you say, the cost should be $9.61. If the size FedEx says, the $88.77 charge is correct (except for the dodgy use of 2018 rates)

 

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Let's look at a 38x25x13 package. If a box made out of cheesy 32ect corrugated, then:

  Box that size is about 4525 in² = 31.43 ft²     1.66oz/ft² x 31.43 ft² = 52.17 oz = 3.26lb

An empty box the size they claim constructed of the cheesiest corrugated would be 3.26 lb which is 2/3 pound heavier than the FedEx weighed weight.

 

If it were a polybag, a bag that size would be approx 8oz. Could have 2lb of contents and weigh in at 2.6 lb as claimed.

 

I can't see a jacket A) being that big  and B) if it were that big weighing only 2 pounds

(I can't think of too many things that size other than air paks weighing in under 2 pounds)

 

 

You were overcharged. FedEx put their thumb on the measuring tape and doubled your package dimensions to push it into Oversize rate realm.

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@Anonymous   @dcintennessee   @dtexley3

 

This makes two so far in this one thread where the charges are obviously spurious, and not just taking their word for it either - it would be nearly impossible for either of those shipments to have been the dimensions FedEx claims and the weight FedEx claims unless they shipped empty gigantic boxes - so it isn't even he said/she said.

 

OP @hideawayaqua was denied by FedEx, and it looks like @droppoint10  here is being ignored by eBay CS.

 

If this is how it's going to be (ship something and FedEx just decides to quadruple the charge with no recourse when it is obviously an error) then sellers aren't going to be able to use FedEx any longer. It seems to be getting worse, and there needs to be a protocol in place. 

 

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Here is what my ebay invoice looks like. They never include dimensions on the invoice, conveniently.
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Yep. They inflated the dimensions and charged you for Oversize.

The 71lb bill weight is just notation indicating oversize at end of rate chart after 70lb max.

They did use higher 2018 rates in effect at time of acceptance instead of the lower 2017 rates when you printed the label on 12/31/18. Never thought about it, and the FedEx Terms and Conditions say nothing about that, but it probably is the way they do it (wouldn't you know - that approach would always work to FedEx's advantage as rates never go down).

It wasn't in FedEx's possession or scanned accepted until 1/2/18, and now that I think about it, that must be it. The rates used for billing are the ones in effect when FedEx takes possession of the package not when the label is created (like "done deal at label print time" USPS). That also fits in with the 5.25% Fuel Surcharge they used - the 1/1/18-1/7/18 Fuel Surcharge was 5.25%, and went up to 5.5% after that.

That's all just musings about details. The main thing is you were overbilled close to $80 and should be credited.
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Yep. They inflated the dimensions and charged you for Oversize.

The 71lb bill weight is just notation indicating oversize at end of rate chart after 70lb max.

They did use higher 2018 rates in effect at time of acceptance instead of the lower 2017 rates when you printed the label on 12/31/18. Never thought about it, and the FedEx Terms and Conditions say nothing about that, but it probably is the way they do it (wouldn't you know - that approach would always work to FedEx's advantage as rates never go down).

It wasn't in FedEx's possession or scanned accepted until 1/2/18, and now that I think about it, that must be it. The rates used for billing are the ones in effect when FedEx takes possession of the package not when the label is created (like "done deal at label print time" USPS). That also fits in with the 5.25% Fuel Surcharge they used - the 1/1/18-1/7/18 Fuel Surcharge was 5.25%, and went up to 5.5% after that.

That's all just musings about details. The main thing is you were overbilled close to $80 and should be credited.

You need to call up ebay  and get a supervisor on the phone .    Also  The OP isn't TRS plus  and does not get same rates .     

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@hideawayaqua & @droppoint10, I have a brilliant 🤣🤣 idea. Can you two access & share FULL tracking details on your two packages? 

 

I smell a rat. I'd love to see whether these packages were ever in the same location, albeit not at the same time. Perhaps the Memphis hub? FedEx, the company, didn't do this. An employee (or employees) did, and no doubt it's happened to more than two people.

 

 @berserkerplanet, although I'm usually not the litigious sort, nor a rabble rouser, I've  got a feeling this is the tip of a nasty iceberg. Step one is finding the common ground between those overcharged, and finding more in the same situation. The sticky-wicket is that technically ebay is the purchaser of record. I have an attorney friend, who's also a media personality. He'd probably enjoy this...

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Here is what my ebay invoice looks like. They never include dimensions on the invoice, conveniently.
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You can see the size that FedEx measured by going to your Orders - Shipping Lables, find the item and click on the PRICE.  A popup will appear showing the eBay label size/weight/price and the FedEx system measured size/weight/price.

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You were overcharged. FedEx put their thumb on the measuring tape and doubled your package dimensions to push it into Oversize rate realm.

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@Anonymous   @dcintennessee   @dtexley3

 

This makes two so far in this one thread where the charges are obviously spurious, and not just taking their word for it either - it would be nearly impossible for either of those shipments to have been the dimensions FedEx claims and the weight FedEx claims unless they shipped empty gigantic boxes - so it isn't even he said/she said.

 

OP @hideawayaqua was denied by FedEx, and it looks like @droppoint10  here is being ignored by eBay CS.

 

If this is how it's going to be (ship something and FedEx just decides to quadruple the charge with no recourse when it is obviously an error) then sellers aren't going to be able to use FedEx any longer. It seems to be getting worse, and there needs to be a protocol in place. 

 


I spoke at length with my FedEx "business representative" and what was finally determined was that I can't just have the packages scanned at the FedEx drop, I need to have them WEIGHED and scanned so that there's a FedEx "approved" (for want of a better word) weight recorded.... sigh... another hoop...

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@dtexley3, I drop at a FedEx business center, and they definitely compare their weight to the label weight. However, I just checked, and weight is NOT printed on my receipts. Which still wouldn't matter in these instances, because the dispute is over dimensions, not weight. Still, did your FedEx business rep say you can get a receipt with these specs, and have you gotten any? I'll ask next time & see what they say...

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TRS and TRS+ are the same thing when it comes to shipping discounts, it only applies to USPS Priority and Express commercial rates, and had absolutely nothing to do with FedEx or FedEx rates and discounts.
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