06-12-2023 06:47 PM
Howdy All,
Around March 20th, a lot of our sales just disappeared. eBay has claimed that nothing happened and everything is fine, despite countless numbers of complaints, etc. People across all categories sale their sales halve or more literally overnight and despite our best efforts, they did not come back.
I was selling around $1000 a week prior to March 1st. I began adding $14,000 in inventory to my store of $41,000, an increase of 34%. For every $10,000 I have in inventory, I used to have an expected rate of $x, give or take 5-20% a week up or down, but consistent. Over a 30 day period, I could expect to see very little variance in my numbers, as everything would pretty much settle down to 5-10% above or below my average. I've been around for 24 years, have 13,000+ sales, a 100% positive feedback, maybe 15 returns due to postal abuse of packages during the 24 years I've been on eBay and am a Top Rated Seller. I know my inventory and customers and strive to continually buy quality inventory to add to my store. I know my numbers. I know when eBay has done something as they have been doing over the past 3 years under this CEO. And it stinks.
As I began to increase my inventory on March 1st, I got the expected returns coming in. My sales increased proportionately and everything was great. Then came March 20th or thereabouts. Complete crash. My sales disappeared by 50% overnight and stayed there. Normally this indicates an unannounced update and things go back to normal after a week or two of killed sales that you'll never get back. But sales kept going lower and lower. The two weeks prior to March 20th, I had gone up to $1500 a week in sales. The week before June 2nd, I was at $350 for the week. I had lost nearly 80% of my sales. eBay says that everything is working fine despite the HUGE number of people across the message boards, eBay for business on Facebook, and on YouTube.
The only thing I've been able to figure out through a lot of experimentation is that eBay seems to be putting a LOT of crap in between the listings of those who promote at the highest rate versus those at the lower, and those who don't promote, well, expect to see your items buried. I was at the low end of promoted listings as I know that eBay has decided we need to pay MORE to play as they chase extra pennies, forgetting that giving the customer few immediate choices does NOT guarantee sales. Making it harder to find items does not give the customer a positive experience. And based on the number of customers eBay has lost since this CEO took over despite covid leading to huge increases for all other platforms, I'd say I know what eBay's problem is. I can only imagine what the 2nd quarter stock reports are going to look like. My guess is huge drops in revenue from normal fees collected, with the promoted fees being the only thing that this CEO is good at. Basically, taking more money from sellers to feed the stockholders who are losing money from bad policy that is killing sales. Would love for him to explain what happened around March 20th and how it'll lead to a greater eBay, as opposed to higher fees for sellers and worse experiences for customers who continue to leave the platform at 10% a year.
I have had to open a Mercari account as well as a local booth at an antique mall because apparently, according to some at eBay, I don't know what items to buy and sell. The problem with eBay is that there are rules that you must follow in order to be successful on eBay, only, they won't share those rules with you which makes playing the game pretty difficult.
How about you tell us what you did to kill our sales? How about you tell us what we actually have to do to get our sales back? I'm down $1500 a month in sales from BEFORE the time I added 34% more inventory to my store. With that added inventory, I'm down $3000+ from where I should be, which is a huge thing. It's not because I don't offer free shipping, free returns, or haven't filled out all the suggested item specifics. My sales were just fine without these prior to March 20th. It's not the economy that died 50% on the same day nor is it the 'summer slowdown' which started in March. eBay did something to the algorithm and it would be nice to know what it was and if this is the new eBay. If it is, then expect to lose more than just 10% of the customer/seller base this year.
Seriously, pull your head out. You're killing a once great platform.
07-01-2023 08:43 AM
0% Profits for 6/23!
07-01-2023 10:10 AM
I believe that they added so many other people's ads to a listing page that it is sensory overload for the buyer and they just go look elsewhere! If I want to buy a specific thing I do not need to see 47,000 other irrelevant things while I am just trying to find a description - geez.
07-01-2023 12:12 PM
@siamjane8 wrote:
If ebay put half as much effort into genuinely improving the platform for sellers and buyers as they do into schemes to increase fees and ad revenue- we would start to see a turnaround pretty quickly
i think.
but they won't because their commitment isn't to their sellers it's to their share holders, show them profit no matter the longrun cost is their only intent.
07-01-2023 12:39 PM
@76c wrote:I have been selling on eBay since 2000 and eBay started it's decline when Meg Whitman became CEO and it has been a steady decline since. My sales have declined to a point where I am starting to take my inventory to a local auction house that does everything on-line. Their fees are about the same as eBay and the big advantage is that I don't have to mess with packaging and shipping. I think I have sold 2 items in May and so far nothing in June. Another problem is eBay's search engine SUCKS! I buy a lot of classic car parts and when I do a search on eBay, I get over 3000 items in the search and 99% of them have nothing to do with the car part I am looking for. I guess eBay is now a dinosaur that is slowly going extinct!
"I buy a lot of classic car parts and when I do a search on eBay, I get over 3000 items in the search and 99% of them have nothing to do with the car part I am looking for. "
Sometimes, it won't even be car parts that you get shown, or have any word in the title from your search terms. It's bizarre.
Do the programmers seriously think that someone looking for car parts is going to just shift gears and go look at a set of dish towels or a rubber ducky simply because they decided to throw it up on the page?
On second thought, it's probably Artificial Unintelligence making the search function worthless. It can't tell the difference between a recalled "tea kettle" and a non recalled "creamer". Too dumb to be called "Intelligence".
07-01-2023 01:01 PM
🔥 my eyes
07-01-2023 04:05 PM
"God Bless America"
07-01-2023 04:20 PM
@sfau wrote:I believe that they added so many other people's ads to a listing page that it is sensory overload for the buyer.........
They've been doing that for well over 2 years. Not sure why this is a 'thing' now but....
Anyway, I want to know when eBay is going to explain to me why my sales DOUBLED Mar 20 compared to December/January??
07-01-2023 09:09 PM
0% Profits for 6/23!
I have lots of days like that. If you are talking about the month of June are you saying you had no profit on the 15 items you sold in June? If so you may want to rethink your cost model and your pricing.
07-01-2023 09:56 PM
i absolutely hate promoted listings because they never have anything to do with my search query and it's such a waste of time to look at them lol.
07-01-2023 10:34 PM - edited 07-01-2023 10:36 PM
I been on eBay since before the url was ebay.com
Anyone who actually depends on this site to earn a living is likely to regret it. There are dozens of plausible reasons for the demise of eBay. Here are some of my favs:
The actual programming that this site runs on is buggy as hell and not even a room full of programmers can make heads or tails of it..
Anyone with a brain stayed with PayPal after the split (this is obvious)...
Promoted Listings are a mathematical death spiral of insanity... (my listings are at 11 percent JUST FOR PL)
Managed payments is precisely the disaster everyone knew it would be, and the "savings" versus PayPal are gone, also as expected...
Final Value Fees on SALES TAX. (my personal pet peeve)...
Final Value Fees on SALES TAX. (yes, I listed it twice)...
eBay sales data reports are laughably stupid. They STILL force you piecemeal it together for tax time...
Customers CAN NOT FIND WHAT THEY ARE LOOKING FOR (for over 20 years, all you had to do was go to the Spider-Man category of Comic Books to see, you know, SPIDER-MAN COMIC BOOKS!!!!)...
If eBay could not thrive during a fantastic economy, then there is zero chance going forward in a recession...
There are multiple sales data graphs on the Seller Hub that are obviously (simple addition error) incorrect, but who cares about simple addition when the super shady Promoted Listings seller versus seller Thunderdome algorithm is in charge!?! (break a deal, spin the wheel)...
But don't worry, everything is gonna be fine. The ol'e dot.com dinosaur is gonna finally get it right after decades of incompetence...
07-02-2023 04:16 AM
Ebay's policy on search manipulation. The policy is being contradicted by Ebay:
Search manipulation policy
Manipulating search results to gain unfair visibility of a listing is not allowed
Why does eBay have this policy?
This policy helps buyers quickly find what they are looking for every time they use eBay. Clean search results improves buyer trust, increases purchasing, and results in buyers coming back to eBay for future purchases.
07-02-2023 04:23 AM - edited 07-02-2023 04:24 AM
You've been on Ebay for 21 years and have 625 followers. Are most of your solds to repeat customers?
Its great that you've been selling for so long on Ebay and have a nice following; Ebay sellers should strive for this.
07-02-2023 01:07 PM
Yup. Not only are they manipulating the searches to get us to pay more, but they're pissing off customers and those customers are going elsewhere because eBay won't show as much as they used to, despite those items being there. Nailed the search manipulation comment.
07-02-2023 01:09 PM
Yeah, the sales tax thing......
Seriously, the sales tax thing......
It's worth mentioning the fees on sales taxes a third time. You didn't do it justice.....
07-02-2023 07:01 PM
You are being throttled.
My account averaged $1100/day 18 months ago.....now is down to less that $100/day
They can and will throttle your account and totally deny it for the following reasons.
1. When ebay takes down a listing and tells you not to relist right or worng
2. Too many SNADs regardless of return or resolution of isses
3. Any 3 day suspension right or wrong
4. Not paying promo ad rates
HK