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This is going to be a long story. I bought a pair of sneakers and after anticipating it may be fake, I attempted to cancel the order 4 minutes after purchase. The seller declined cancelation, ship it 3 days later and said I can return it, once I receive the package. [1st red flag]

 

Couple days later the tracking# provided by SELLER eventually said delivered to at a mailbox, but my mailbox is too small for a package bigger than a letter. [2nd red flag] Nevertheless, I checked the mailbox, nothing. I assumed they might have delivered it to me, or left it out in front, so I contacted my neighbors and asked family if they seen a package, nothing.

 

I called USPS the next day, and eventually find out that the SELLER shipped it to the wrong address, completely different from my own, with the same zip code as mines.(The tracking# said delivery of package at my zipcode and city only, no exact address). I contacted the SELLER and state that I never received the package and that it has been delivered to the wrong address, as stated by USPS. SELLER states it was delivered to me. [3rd red flag]

 

Opened a case of not receiving the item with eBay, stating seller says it was delivered to my address but USPS confirmed otherwise. and that it was addressed to the another address not associated with me at all. eBay closed the case claiming it was delivered to my address based on tracking# the SELLER provided having just my city and zip code. I called eBay and they say that they can see the item was delivered and I need proof the item was delivered to the wrong address to appeal the case.

 

I called USPS 5 times to ask for proof of delivery for the item, but they say that it was delivered to that (wrong) address the SELLER provided sucessfully, and that there is no documentation that they are able to provide. I attempt to go to my local USPS and ask for documentation of confirmed delivery and they say there is no documentation they can provide and that I should call the same customer service number that I've called 5 times already.  They also state that eBay should contact them. 

 

I contact eBay and they say they are not able to contact USPS on my behalf because there is not any documentation, and they are neither the SELLER or me the buyer.

 

I attempt to retrieve the package at that random location to find out it's a run down house with multiple tenants that don't know where anything is.  [Red flag 4]

 

I believe The SELLER sent me a package with the wrong address on purpose I wont be able to receive it to return it. I think im being scammed and have no way of convincing eBay otherwise. I even went to my local precinct to file a claim and they aren't able to write a report.

 

Lastly, I contacted Paypal after eBay and they state based on the tracking information and the seller it seems it was delivered successfully to an address with my zip code. 

 

So I lose money cause the package was delivered within a mile and half radius from my home, and not the one that I bought it with through PayPal! This is ridiculous!!!

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" it is fraud. be careful what you suggest lynn."

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How would it be fraud?

You spent the money.  The seller has the money.

You have no item.

 

It would only be fraud if a buyer, who Actually received an item

sent back .. nothing in a delivery confirmation envelope, for a refund that they were Not due.

 

And I didn't state a buyer Should send back an empty, nothing.

I simply asked ...

Since the first course of MBG was refused (eBay saying you Got the item)

Could the 2nd step of MBG be acceptable here, or apply under eBay rules?  (the NAD)

 

I didn't advise that anyone should actually do it.

I just wanted to discuss IF any other possibilities existed under the MBG.

 

I hope everyone reading this, understands the difference.

 

Thanks,

Lynn


Lynn

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"after anticipating it would be fake"  and I stopped reading there.

 

If you think it's fake THEN DON'T BUY IT.

 

So, now, I assume you are looking for excuses to complain and I get the feeling that reading you post is a waste of my time.

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The reason you wouldn't select it is because seller would select return for refund which nothing could be returned so seller would win the dispute.  Then angry buyer goes to CC and ebay/paypal will jump on the bandwagon that buyer has the item and refused to return it when requested to be returned which then leads to CC denying the claim also thats how the game is played...

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@18704d wrote:

 

" it is fraud. be careful what you suggest lynn."

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How would it be fraud?

You spent the money.  The seller has the money.

You have no item.

 

It would only be fraud if a buyer, who Actually received an item

sent back .. nothing in a delivery confirmation envelope, for a refund that they were Not due.

 

And I didn't state a buyer Should send back an empty, nothing.

I simply asked ...

Since the first course of MBG was refused (eBay saying you Got the item)

Could the 2nd step of MBG be acceptable here, or apply under eBay rules?  (the NAD)

 

I didn't advise that anyone should actually do it.

I just wanted to discuss IF any other possibilities existed under the MBG.

 

I hope everyone reading this, understands the difference.

 

Thanks,

Lynn


I understand the difference. I'm not stupid. I am speaking from experience. File NAD when you did not receive the item is fraud and you have to be careful what you suggest here or you will get in trouble. again i speak from experience. 

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@escuintla wrote:

What type of shipping method they used? Priority? You said "couple of days", which is impossible on Ebay unless you live very close to the seller and/or they use Priority.

 

Second point: How on earth anybody can send an item to another address that is not authorized by Paypal?

 

Third point: Paypal can easily verify the shipping track of any item. They can easily see the address where the item was "delivered".  

 

If this wrong address delivery was possible, chances are they are running an illegal scheme and police should be involved. As I said, they may go through Paypal to change the address, which I am not legal authority nor an expert on the matter. 


@escuintla You are operating under the assumption that the scammer purchased the shipping label from paypal. Paypal cannot see the shipping address unless they sold the label. These scammers do not use ebay or paypal to purchase the label so it is not as simple as you think.

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"... and you have to be careful what you suggest here or you will get in trouble."

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Thank you for responding,

 

But again, I did not suggest anything.

 

I only asked to discuss.. if the MBG . .properly allows another recourse.

bubbleman answered it the best for me.

 

Thanks

Lynn


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Shipping method: USPS First Class Mail

Couple days: 9 days exactly from day of purchase and 6 days from day of shipped. We are both east coast states in US.

2nd point: Exactly, USPS states multiple time that whatever they see on the package is where they are going send it. Doesn't matter what address I bought it with through PayPal, or the one I have on file with eBay (which is the same intended address).

3nd point: That what I assumed but they are not verifying further than the tracking number provided by the seller. Which the tracking number is associated with the wrong address (but same zip code and city according USPS). Exact address of delivery can only be confirmed with a call with USPS and not through tracking, which they are not doing.

I paid for the item typical means, through PayPal with my credit card so I am being charged for the item that I did not receive.


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I understand I should've been more conscious with the purchase and more diligent but that doesn't mean I'm not entitled to receiving the item/sneakers (real or fake).

 

It could have easily been an authentic real sneaker and I would have still wanted to go through with the transaction. If I don't receive it because of SELLERS intended (or unintended) address, why should I be at fault.

 

My address on PayPal, and eBay is the same on file. 

 

 

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I thought it was fake because of small details and didnt want to chance it. These details could have been due to factory error, or poor lighting.  The seller claimed "authentic" in the direction so I said, I have nothing lose if it isn't authentic because i own another pair exact sneaker  and can tell the difference by comparing the two.

 

Either way though, real or inauthentic, I should atleast be entitled to get what I paid for right? Which I received nothing for payment, based on wrong address as confirmed by USPS.

 

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Exactly my thoughts!
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Well said, exactly my thoughts again! 

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Update: Credit Card company was able to investigate and issue me the refund.  

 

Lesson learned here: Always buy with credit card through PayPal and don't pay the bill for a transaction you never received. Otherwise one might have been screwed.

 

 

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@sly_kitten2018 wrote:

@style.e8 wrote:
Credit card with PayPal. Called them up and they are investigating

good luck. paypal usually comes through when it comes to this scam.


 


Usually PayPal will only protect a seller from a chargeback if the seller can show they shipped to the address given by PayPal. Of course this doesn't stop the seller printing an online label with that address and then altering the address (though I'd assume that address is coded into the USPS barcode somehow).

 

So hopefully the OP will win this one easily.

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More cases of eBay not protecting buyers despite having a buyer protection. I’m telling ya this stuff happens constantly and these people keep selling and eBay keeps getting final value fees, etc. thousands of counterfeit items are being sold daily and scams are constantly going viral. 

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@sfginsider wrote:

More cases of eBay not protecting buyers despite having a buyer protection. I’m telling ya this stuff happens constantly and these people keep selling and eBay keeps getting final value fees, etc. thousands of counterfeit items are being sold daily and scams are constantly going viral. 


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