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Variation Listings - let's work on a tutorial?

In a prior thread, the topic came up about lack of information for those wanting to start using variations.

 

@mcdougle4248  wanted to try using variations, but there was no helpful roadmap, or perhaps those that existed online were outdated, so I said I would start one.

 

@myjunqueyourtreasure  and  @mam98031  specifically mentioned in that thread that they both regularly use variations, so I'm putting them on the spot here to ask what pitfalls and workarounds they've dealt with and which listing forms they are using (desktop vs mobile).  Smiley Wink

 

I've taken this endeavor to 80% completion where we can plug in, correct, or rearrange information.  It's long winded because there is a lot of territory to cover.  I've created new variation listings and have revised an existing variation in order to test and screencapture, but surely I have not hit all the gotchas. Smiley Surprised

 

Hopefully, we could come up with a shorter bullet list for those who already "get it" if they just knew how to start and only needed a few references. Or, for those who just like to follow pictures, perhaps we can add any pictorial steps that are missing.

 

Anyway, here is a work in progress, still rather rough around the edges, and when we get it smoothed out, we could post it here on the forums where others could more readily find it.

 

http://shipscript.com/ebayhelp/lister_hub/creating_ebay_variations.htm



 

ShipScript has been an eBay Community volunteer since 2003, specializing in HTML, CSS, Scripts, Photos, Active Content, Technical Solutions, and online Seller Tools.
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@bigdeals.etc wrote:

2) I can confirm that @Anonymous  is mistaken ONLY with the point that you cannot revise variation names (on the front end of a listing). Everything else they said thus far is correct and helpful. I'll explain why I say "front end". This restriction used to be true until about almost a year ago I think. Ebay had his new MV glitch that wasn't allowing you to link ANY photo to specific attributes. Remember that time, everyone? The section that said "add variation photos" was greyed out and you were stuck on the "use default photos" choice. A side effect of this glitch was that it allowed us to delete combinations from your listing.

 

You were also allowed to delete options from your list of selected (see above shot, "selected" is in the right half of the page.) But you weren't allowed to remove the option from your list of available options (the left side of the page). This matters if you want to create alot of your own options and not use the preset ones... because you are only allowed 60 total in your available options. I've never tried to remove the entire attribute and re-add it verbatim. The system may remember the attributes available options as along with your custom ones... not sure.

In order to revise variation names, simply remove them from your combinations, then add a new option replacing it. Technically you aren't renaming, you are replacing and killing your original variation. The buyer seeing your listing wouldn't know the difference. I.e. you have a Blue-Small as a combination. Remove that from your combination, remove Blue from your selected options, create your own "Medium Blue" in the available options, create a Medium-Blue combination, and copy/paste the UPC and/or quantity price. And you've basically renamed your Blue-Small into Medium Blue-Small. Just know that the Blue option is always in your available list, taking up a spot of your 60 allowed. But it is never shown in the front end or shown as out of stock. Anyone who had previously bought Blue-Small will show a blank combination in your sales history.


@bigdeals.etc 

Then you're in agreement with my assessment as you advised the same work-around that I did: delete the variation and create a new one. That is the only way to change it as you cannot edit the name of a variation.


Right. In the front end, the buyer would simply think you just edited the variation, but in actuality in the back end you did the work around... so yes, I agree with you.

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@mcdougle4248 wrote: 
..So, how many MP does eBay like for pictures? ...

A camera setting of 1MP or 2MP is perfect for eBay. If you are taking photos of small items and have to crop, then a 3MP or 4MP setting will allow plenty of room for cropping.

 

A 1MP camera setting is typically 1200x800

A 2MP camera setting is typically 1600x1200

 

Both of those settings easily allow zoom, which requires at least 800px on the longer side.  The maximum eBay will save is 1600x1600. Anything larger will be reduced down to 1600 on the longer side before eBay saves it.

 

If you plan to stitch your photos together, then the lowest possible camera setting of 0.3MP (640x480 or VGA)  will meet the zoom requirements when two to nine are stitched together into a larger composite.

 

ShipScript has been an eBay Community volunteer since 2003, specializing in HTML, CSS, Scripts, Photos, Active Content, Technical Solutions, and online Seller Tools.
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@shipscript wrote:

@mcdougle4248 wrote: 
..So, how many MP does eBay like for pictures? ...

A camera setting of 1MP or 2MP is perfect for eBay. If you are taking photos of small items and have to crop, then a 3MP or 4MP setting will allow plenty of room for cropping.

 

A 1MP camera setting is typically 1200x800

A 2MP camera setting is typically 1600x1200

 

Both of those settings easily allow zoom, which requires at least 800px on the longer side.  The maximum eBay will save is 1600x1600. Anything larger will be reduced down to 1600 on the longer side before eBay saves it.

 

If you plan to stitch your photos together, then the lowest possible camera setting of 0.3MP (640x480 or VGA)  will meet the zoom requirements when two to nine are stitched together into a larger composite.

 


OK, here is what I know at this point.  Photos that have been saved to my desktop directly from the camera card are approximately 12MP.  If I go to the actual listing and save the photo it is approximately 1.6 MP.   So, because I never did any resize when I created  the listing, it appears that eBay did the resizing for me.  So, I am thinking (this is where it gets dangerous)  I can get my photos from the the non variation live listings, do gallery photos using your tool and then do each item from the saved from eBay live listing photos.  This is so confusing, I hope I am making sense.   The major thing that has become obvious today while playing around is that I will go from 600 listings to less than 50.  Will I even be seen?

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@mcdougle4248 wrote:
... I can get my photos from the the non variation live listings, do gallery photos using your tool and then do each item from the saved from eBay live listing photos. 

@mcdougle4248 

Yes, you can do that.

 

Bulk photo download

 

To make it easier, use this tool to fetch your listing photos.

http://www.isdntek.com/ebaytools/BulkPhotoScanner.htm

 

  1. Enter your sellername and country.
  2. Use some keywords to limit your search to return the items you want included in one variation.
  3. Click "Get Items".
  4. Click "Auto Scan"

 

The tool will load eBay photos into the grid where you can copy/drag to your desktop. Unfortunately, every eBay photo is named "s-l1600.jpg" (no, they don't make this easy) and you'll have to rename each one as soon as you copy it to your computer.

 

Another way to handle that problem is to scroll down to the report area on the photo scan tool.

  1. select "zip all" from the drop list,
  2. click "include titles,
  3. click "build report",
  4. click "send to zip tool.

 

When the zip tool opens,

  1. select a file naming format from the "naming" droplist (I think "Item title" would be best for your use). 
  2. If you have a slow internet connection, choose a size smaller than the 80MB zip size shown on the bar. 
  3. Click "load data", and when the left panel loads without errors,
  4. click "ZIP FILES" underneath that panel.

 

The server will create one or more zip files of your photos that you can download from the right panel to your desktop and unzip. All the photos will have unique names based on the listing title if you set naming to "item title", otherwise the default is to use item numbers.

 

Many steps, but probably still faster than one-at-a-time drag and rename.  Additionally, since you have only a couple of photos per listing, you might prefer to download your entire site instead of smaller groupings. But, that depends on how you are viewing the groupings.

 

So... I went ahead and ran the full shebang from scanner to zipper and will send the download links for your six 40MB zip files to your community messages.

 

Bulk desktop image processing

 

Because you are trying to downsize the photos from your camera, another method is to use a photo editing tool that supports bulk processing. Irfanview is such a tool that I've used for 15 years for batch processing. Like any tool, there is a learning curve to batch processing. Even though it is hands-down the best thing for batching, these days I use it almost exclusively for single photos when I want to resize, crop, or rotate a photo, or if I want to adjust the contrast, hue, or gamma, or convert from one image format to another. It's fast and lightweight compared to other tools, BUT, it uses text-based drop menus instead of all sorts of whizzy icons and popups.

 

ShipScript has been an eBay Community volunteer since 2003, specializing in HTML, CSS, Scripts, Photos, Active Content, Technical Solutions, and online Seller Tools.
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Thank you so much!

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@mcdougle4248 wrote:

@shipscript 

 

Thank you for taking this on, it certainly is a huge endeavor.   

 

I tried setting up a variation listing (again) a week or so ago.  I am sure I had done it wrong, but when I clicked preview and the drop down didn't work, I quit.  So, what I (think) I have learned from this thread is that the drop down does not function in preview, but if I were to schedule the start time, then I could see the drop down.  Is this correct?  

 


Yes. When the listing is complete, schedule it ahead, giving yourself as much time as you need to preview and test everything. 

 

While you're working on the listing but need to interrupt your work, it's better to save it as a Draft instead. (The system automatically saves a draft for you, but it won't necessarily include your most recent changes.) That way your changes won't be documented in the listing's revision list.

 

Once it's scheduled, edits/changes will be on the listing's revision list, which is visible to buyers.  That's OK - you need to schedule to test everything since preview doesn't work.  But my opinion, it's best to keep the revision list minimal.

tree*fern
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@tree*fern wrote:

@mcdougle4248 wrote:

@shipscript 

 

Thank you for taking this on, it certainly is a huge endeavor.   

 

I tried setting up a variation listing (again) a week or so ago.  I am sure I had done it wrong, but when I clicked preview and the drop down didn't work, I quit.  So, what I (think) I have learned from this thread is that the drop down does not function in preview, but if I were to schedule the start time, then I could see the drop down.  Is this correct?  

 


Yes. When the listing is complete, schedule it ahead, giving yourself as much time as you need to preview and test everything. 

 

While you're working on the listing but need to interrupt your work, it's better to save it as a Draft instead. (The system automatically saves a draft for you, but it won't necessarily include your most recent changes.) That way your changes won't be documented in the listing's revision list.

 

Once it's scheduled, edits/changes will be on the listing's revision list, which is visible to buyers.  That's OK - you need to schedule to test everything since preview doesn't work.  But my opinion, it's best to keep the revision list minimal.


Thank you for the clarification.  

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@shipscript 

 

You have always had my utmost respect, admiration, and appreciation for your knowledge, expertise and helpfulness.  I think you know that, but just want to reiterate it.  You are a true treasure, and a true leader~a true Board legend.  Your knowledge is impeccable, and your willingness to work through issues amazing.

 

Thank you for all you do and have done.

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@castlemagicmemories wrote:

@shipscript 

 

You have always had my utmost respect, admiration, and appreciation for your knowledge, expertise and helpfulness.  I think you know that, but just want to reiterate it.  You are a true treasure, and a true leader~a true Board legend.  Your knowledge is impeccable, and your willingness to work through issues amazing.

 

Thank you for all you do and have done.


Beautifully stated and expresses my thoughts , as well.  

 

 

 

 

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@mcdougle4248 wrote:

@castlemagicmemories wrote:

@shipscript 

 

You have always had my utmost respect, admiration, and appreciation for your knowledge, expertise and helpfulness.  I think you know that, but just want to reiterate it.  You are a true treasure, and a true leader~a true Board legend.  Your knowledge is impeccable, and your willingness to work through issues amazing.

 

Thank you for all you do and have done.


Beautifully stated and expresses my thoughts , as well.  

 

 

 

 


Thank you, @mcdougle4248  some might take exception to my saying what I did, although I can only say it is/was sincere and IMO, very well deserved.  You know you have my respect as well, and I value your opinion, so it means a lot to know we are on the same page here.

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Not sure if you have everything you need right now, so hopefully this will gain attention to this.

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@shipscript wrote:

@bigdeals.etc wrote:

That red error pops up when I click the box to "neckline" to try to add another attribute after my original 4. Perhaps it's category dependent... which is dumb.


@bigdeals.etc 

 

Odd. How many combinations do you have already in that listing? I'll have to start a draft in that category to test. Perhaps it's dependent on new listing vs revision.  Can you provide the path to that category?

 

I just used my Art draft to add 5 attributes and to add 70 options to one attribute.  The tool generated 420 combinations. But when I clicked "save and preview" a popup error refused to save, due to exceeding the 250 combination limit.

 

So I elimated some of the attributes, kept the 70 options, and the tool generated 210 combinations and accepted that "save and preview".

 

 


I have less than 250 combinations in that listing. That's the limit for me in clothing too. And I believe it's not sensitive to create or revise a listing... it's the same deal for me. Here's the path: Clothing, Shoes & Accessories (CSA)>Men's Clothing>Shirts>T-Shirts

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I apologize that I am a bit under the weather and will be back on this project in a few days. Please continue to make recommendations.

ShipScript has been an eBay Community volunteer since 2003, specializing in HTML, CSS, Scripts, Photos, Active Content, Technical Solutions, and online Seller Tools.
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@shipscript wrote:

I apologize that I am a bit under the weather and will be back on this project in a few days. Please continue to make recommendations.


I am sorry you are not feeling well and hope you feel better soon.  No rush... take your time and get the rest needed.  Your health and well being is the most important thing.

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Sorry to hear you are ill; take good care of you!  Don't worry; I'm sure everyone feels your health is most important and will understand.  Rest and recuperate.  Wishing you a speedy recovery.

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