07-11-2020 10:11 AM
I wish you could have played more fairly with those that made you !!! But instead you threw us under the bus !
07-11-2020 07:43 PM
Thank you
07-11-2020 07:57 PM - last edited on 07-11-2020 08:42 PM by kh-gary
Just wait until "Managed Delivery" comes. Its coming as well, they just delayed it.
I like the new FB way better than this "eBamAzon" site, or whatever you want to call the new eBay. If you want to understand eBays new business model "That's the way Amaon does it, so that's what ere are doing". Managed Payments, Managed Delivery, GTC, EPID (EbayProductIDentifier), etc....
eBay has become a place to buy cases of knockoff junk from China and resell "large volume/low margin", competing against 100 other sellers.
Do you like the eBay emails, "source in demand inventory now"?
07-11-2020 09:12 PM
Buh-bye.
07-11-2020 10:04 PM
I'm gone too.
07-11-2020 10:06 PM
"threw us under the bus !"
And they gave us the one finger salute, with not one bit of remorse.
When eBay first started, the concept was truly a venue/selling platform, as to say a virtual yard sale platform. And they merely charged a sales percentage fee for the use of the platform. In fact eBay wasn't considered an ecommerce entity, but rather more so a community, in the light of a yard sale type community. Now, I know some of the users here, will argue the concept of that theory. So, to each their own.
eBay and those alike, are keeping their cakes and eating them too. eBay accepts the title of being an ecommerce business; they've "basically" denounced the community type selling venue/platform.
How are they eating their cake and keeping it too: eBay is "basically" acting like a franchisor and the sellers are "basically" franchises: this really doesn't need explaining, it's truly self-explained by eBay's polices and behavior. Yet, eBay doesn't have to accept the vicarious liabilities of being a franchisor,
and why, because "technically" they're merely a service provide for a community, and one might say, "in comparison" to an airline, but I say B-S, and that's not apples to oranges, it's more like watermelons to grapes.
And how has this happened, well, I guess one would have to ask our Government. But we already know "most likely" what that answer would be: blah blah blah; the run around, and why, because the lobbyists keep the Politicians kissing Greed, after all, what is the percent of Politicians who when to DC as normal middle class Americans, yet when they leave DC, for some strange reason, they leave as multiple millionaires?
So, what are we left with, I'd say two choices, join 'em and be their sheeps or leave 'em and b"t*h and b*t*h and b*t*h untill they listen to reason.
Good luck to you and, as for me, I''ve already left them, and I surely b*t*h and b*t*h and b*t*h.
07-12-2020 12:21 AM
FWIW it has been a while since eBay has called itself just a venue - we are, as Wenig said, "vendors on a managed marketplace."
07-12-2020 07:27 AM
07-12-2020 07:29 AM
...this even better...$500 would help me slack of part of my 4 new tires bill last July 4th...thank you...
07-12-2020 07:48 AM - edited 07-12-2020 07:49 AM
...ne me quitte pas...
...I truly respect your decision...but...I'm begging for your re-consideration in giving just few days after this MP starts to see how (horrible...may be or may be not...!!!) its going...at this time I agree with you it doesn't sound sweet at all...
...I so much don't support the idea that more sellers quit will be more benefits for the others as less selling competitive in this platform...(to me it's too personally heartless and unkind...)
...May God gives you His wisdom and blessing to your paths...
...I love peoples and I hate to say "good-bye" to the ones I love...(it's sadden me...!!!)
07-12-2020 08:21 AM
Yeah, once the stock started zooming, it didn't take long for corporate greed to raise its ugly head.
Wenig, I don't think much of him.
Vendors on a managed marketplace, well, I think it has become more complicated than that.
It seems to be a very fineline between managing a marketplace as a service provider while allowing the vendors to Independently manage thier own businesses, but, as long as eBay can keep dictating the management of the vendors with out any thoughts of vicarious liabilities, they will do so.
But nothing will change anytime soon, and as far as voicing opinions here, well, such has a null effect to bring about any type of legal changes to eBay's "and those alike" TOS's. And that's where it'll have to start.
If eBay is going to dictate the vendors businesses then they need to accept some responsibilities and be liable for any thoughts of any given type of class action lawsuits that might be present by sellers and/or buyers alike. And I feel certain that if eBay and those alike had to contend with such thoughts, they'd most likely go back to managing their marketplace as a true service provider rather than dictating the management of the vendors.
07-14-2020 11:05 AM
07-14-2020 11:23 AM
I agree, for me it is not about collecting my ssid and bank info it is giving up another inch of control on my business and the fact that Ebay has such a poor implementation of changes. And very poor software development, at least 2 new glitches today. I also use the PayPal capital loans to great advantage to pounce on inventory as it become available. So my relationship with PayPal is very solid and I would like to continue.
What is this managed delivery system? One thing I know about greed is it never ends, there always has to be more money to grab. Are you suggesting Ebay will become a fulfillment center or dictate only their shipping services can be used?
07-14-2020 12:17 PM
I wish you the best of luck and I completely agree with you. I think most wish it didn't have to be this way.
As I've said before, this wouldn't be such a big issue if we were giving the info directly to Adyen, like we did PP.
eBay itself is a bungled mess. Glitches, glitches and more glitches. How many other venues have reoccurring issues that don't let buyers checkout? None.
How many other venues have customer service that is clueless or tells you the sky isn't blue? None.
eBay wants to be the river yet doesn't have nearly the market share. Why would sellers put up with and pay river type fees on a venue that doesn't come close in market exposure and sales? Why pay the same price when you can get the real deal?
The not so low on the food chain employees that the FBI is after and how far up the chain it went is very troubling. Especially when the top brass gets a golden parachute for such negligence.
Bottom line is our trust in eBay is almost non-existent.
The strong arm tactics with mangled payments only eroded the trust further.
First it was lower fees. We now know that isn't the case for many. Calculating the fees with sales tax included is going to be a huge problem for eBay and others that do the same. Auction houses, for example, do not operate this way.
Then they changed the threat from "continue to sell" to "be able to create new listings"
A week ago they came out with the $50 offer (This is the most eBay has ever offered us monetarily for anything and is an indicator of desperation)
In our opinion, this is a slap in the face to everyone that already signed up and these tactics are nothing short of bribing and bullying.
In all fairness, eBay is running a business for profit and so are we. We will protect ours as they protect theirs. If these two paths don't intersect, so be it.
We have done well here and will continue to sell up until the money is no longer showing up in PP. Just the extra bookkeeping and having to double check eBay's reports will require more time($), higher wage time. More effort and cost of doing business without an increase in revenue is a business no no.
Not to mention the continuous race to the bottom with "pricing and inventory recommendations" and as others have said, this venue is becoming nothing more than junk bought at wholesale from China. If you are a re-seller, they definitely have you cornered. If you manufacture a product, like ourselves, you are more valuable to the economy than the re-sellers and should have zero problems selling anywhere. The biggest mistake I see eBay making is not favoring the used vintage and antique sellers, arguably the sellers that helped build this venue.
It really is a shame that eBay doesn't want to embrace what they were and is trying to compete with a behemoth that they will never be.
Good luck to all staying or going. Remember trust is earned, look out for yourselves and be kind to others.
07-14-2020 12:34 PM