Fraud

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My name is Julie. I've been having trouble finding a place to email this.  My daughter's husband was listing an item for a seller thinking that he could make some additional income.  He listed a watch and did receive a payment so he thought this was legitimate.  The person asked him to use friends and family for payment.  My daughter and her husband found out that this person didn't send the watch and they were turned over to collections for $8600.  My daughter is 22 and needless to say does not have money.  Her husband was mortified that he fell for this and wouldn't let her tell anyone so this has just sat in collections since it happened.  I don't know what to do or if there is anything we can do.  If there is someone that we can contact for help on this please let me know.  This is just going to continue to ruin their credit and we certainly don't have the money to pay it.  I understand this is certainly a horrible lesson but this is so wrong.  If anyone knows who I should contact at Ebay, please let me know.

Thanks

[d-k_treasures]

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@city*satinswrote:

It is a very complicated world out there, more then when I was young.

On social issues, yes.  Though it seems like a lot of folks, both young and old, are keen to gump it down based on perceived tribe.  (le mot du jour)

On practical ones, like managing ones money - seems that we've graduated a whole generation of kids who don't know how to make change and wouldn't know if they were shortchanged $3 or if they'd shortchanged someone else $3. 

I suppose it is small wonder that easy money schemes are so seductive to some.

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All one needs to do to prove that is to walk into a store when the power is out, buy something, then see if they can make change for a 20 dollar bill.

[emerald40]

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@sin-n-dexwrote:

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@city*satinswrote:

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@sandmansaleswrote:

So your SIL listed an item he did not have in his possession. Then sold said item and turned around and gave a perfect stranger almost 9 grand?

I'm not seeing the scam. What am I missing.

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1. Scam #1 is that a buyer paid over $8K for a watch that was never received. Luckily, the buyer was protected by eBay and Paypal policies.

2. Scam #2 is that some unknown party committed to ship an item, accepted $$ for doing so, and then did not do so.

3. Scam #3 is that the party whose Paypal account accepted the  buyer's payment.  and who then turned a portion of those funds over to someone else (the unknown party in Scam #2), did not attempt to repay even a portion of those funds to the party who assumed the $ loss and reimbursed the buyer or subsequently to the collection agency who attempted to recover the loss on that party's behalf.

Similarly, despite knowing that criminal fraud had occurred, no report was made to law enforcement.

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I think we all got trolled here... OP not answering any more questions, and too much of this makes no sense. Even if someone were desperate for money (and I know some in my life time), the rules governing the use of Paypal and eBay prevent this level of stupidity.

Cheers, C.

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She went somewhere for some compassion and understanding.    She obviously did not get it here.  Still, she did respond to a few of us.

Then the piling on started, so no wonder she did not come back.

[rixstuff]

I actually heard a similar tale from an aunt about her daughter got into this kind of trouble, a sale fell through on Ebay, she was going to be arrested, needed tons of money real quick.  So aunt called me.  Checked Ebay - no transaction, checked Paypal she didnt even have a paypal account, no sale, no payment, Paypal doesnt arrest people, etc.  At the end of it we found there never was problem just that her daughter wanted a big chunk of money for something stupid that mom would never just hand over and made up some scary nonsense hoping fear would override common sense.  They still dont speak and that was about 4 years ago.

[emerald40]

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@d-k_treasureswrote:

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@city*satinswrote:

It is a very complicated world out there, more then when I was young.

On social issues, yes.  Though it seems like a lot of folks, both young and old, are keen to gump it down based on perceived tribe.  (le mot du jour)

On practical ones, like managing ones money - seems that we've graduated a whole generation of kids who don't know how to make change and wouldn't know if they were shortchanged $3 or if they'd shortchanged someone else $3. 

I suppose it is small wonder that easy money schemes are so seductive to some.

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All one needs to do to prove that is to walk into a store when the power is out, buy something, then see if they can make change for a 20 dollar bill.

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Sad isn't it.  The kids working at my local Stop & Shop are ones at the high school my children graduated from.  We are in the suburbs in a fairly nice area.

Power did go out, so the registers had to be done manually.  My bill came to $14.35.  Handed the cashier a $20.  Looked at me as if she had no clue.  Had to show her the steps on how to make change.

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[sin-n-dex]

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@emerald40wrote:

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She went somewhere for some compassion and understanding.    She obviously did not get it here.  Still, she did respond to a few of us.

Then the piling on started, so no wonder she did not come back.

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My brain was thinking it was a troll when there was no listing... they weren't asking out of disbelief of her story, they were asking to understand it better.

I knew someone who put up a $8000 ring on CL, and got a request from a guy in Texas to accept a payment by Paypal and ship overnight for his daughter's urgent upcoming wedding. My friend contacted me since he knows I use Paypal to ask questions, but I was a little green on those scams, so I just advised him not to get involved with that. He kept insisting it would be OK if he got the money and withdrew it right away. I was like OK fine, I did some checking on the guy and emailed his rap sheet for theft and fraud to my friend. A month later my friend lost his house because he had gotten too far behind on payments, and $8000 was his last chance to bail out with the bank. He couldn't turn it around.

Believe me, I get being desperate for money, I don't judge someone for making bad decisions when the bad decision is your last hope.

But you do know people do post things on the Internet to stir up a fuss...

Cheers, C.

[rixstuff]

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I think we all got trolled here... OP not answering any more questions, and too much of this makes no sense. Even if someone were desperate for money (and I know some in my life time), the rules governing the use of Paypal and eBay prevent this level of stupidity.

Cheers, C.

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Judge Judy always says if it doesnt make sense it isnt true but not making sense is usually how these things go off the rails in the first place.  Somebody wants to do something stupid or in violation of hte rules or does something clearly WWWWWAAAAAAAAYYYYYY  AGAINST the rules then when it all goes to poo they are unprotected because they didnt follow the rules.  BUT also remember that if you build a better mouse trap, the mice will get smarter.  Ebay's rules that protect us (and torque us off) werent put together over night.  It took years and THOUSANDS of stupid things and shady people - buyers AND sellers - to create.  There are things that we as savvy Ebay people would just NEVER DO that someone who knows just enough to be dangerous would fall for and lose big.

My grandaddy said you cant cheat an honest man. Probably because an honest man wont try to cut corners, shave off a couple of bucks, or get rich quick no questions asked.

[emerald40]

But you do know people do post things on the Internet to stir up a fuss...
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I just did not see it in this case with this woman. I could be wrong. May be wrong. But I will give her the benefit of the doubt until I find reason not to do so.

Maybe it is because I get so many phone calls and emails trying to scam me that I know they are out there. Did you see my thread from Nigeria that I will get $10,000,000 if I send them $10,000. And of course there is my Castle in Great Britain.

And the guy calling me pretending to be my son telling me he was arrested and needed money. Loved that one especially for the fact that my son was sitting right across from me at the time.

I have seen it at the Casino. My husband and I go there with $40 each and do it for entertainment. On that I can gamble all day on the 2 cent machine.

I have seen countless people put in $20 bill after $20 bill. Hundreds and hundreds of dollars. Then go to the ATM machine for more, Then ask for a Casino loan against their house,

I have read where some have actually lost their house because of it. One person near me lost all her money. Then said to me that was half my rent money. I was hoping to win the rest of it. Well, she lost it all.

[d-k_treasures]

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@emerald40wrote:

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@d-k_treasureswrote:

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@city*satinswrote:

It is a very complicated world out there, more then when I was young.

On social issues, yes.  Though it seems like a lot of folks, both young and old, are keen to gump it down based on perceived tribe.  (le mot du jour)

On practical ones, like managing ones money - seems that we've graduated a whole generation of kids who don't know how to make change and wouldn't know if they were shortchanged $3 or if they'd shortchanged someone else $3. 

I suppose it is small wonder that easy money schemes are so seductive to some.

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All one needs to do to prove that is to walk into a store when the power is out, buy something, then see if they can make change for a 20 dollar bill.

_________________________________________________________

Sad isn't it.  The kids working at my local Stop & Shop are ones at the high school my children graduated from.  We are in the suburbs in a fairly nice area.

Power did go out, so the registers had to be done manually.  My bill came to $14.35.  Handed the cashier a $20.  Looked at me as if she had no clue.  Had to show her the steps on how to make change.

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More embarassing than sad - considering what I have to pay in school taxes for this type of 'education'. And since I have no kids of my own(K's are all out of school, but I am still paying part of her daughters student loans), why do I have to pay to teach someone elses kids nothing that I agree with? So some 1st grader can get an IPud? 

[coolections]

I would like to know why the SIL is not in jail for fraud. He sold a Rolex watch to a buyer collected the cash and never sent the item. You would think the buyer would have filed a police report.

[emerald40]

Schools no longer teach the basics.  They think it is a waste of time because kids can just look it up on the Internet.

Spell check - Kids today cannot spell because they have become so reliant on spell check.  Then when they go for a job and try to fill out an application, it is filled with mistakes.

[emerald40]

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@coolectionswrote:

I would like to know why the SIL is not in jail for fraud. He sold a Rolex watch to a buyer collected the cash and never sent the item. You would think the buyer would have filed a police report.

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Did you read the whole thread.  It is not as cut and dried as that.

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[sam9876]

"I would like to know why the SIL is not in jail for fraud. He sold a Rolex watch to a buyer collected the cash and never sent the item. You would think the buyer would have filed a police report."

The buyer has all their money back, so there was no crime.

[coolections]

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@sam9876wrote:

"I would like to know why the SIL is not in jail for fraud. He sold a Rolex watch to a buyer collected the cash and never sent the item. You would think the buyer would have filed a police report."

The buyer has all their money back, so there was no crime.

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Just because the buyer got their money back does not make it legal to fraud a buyer. I would have called the police a filed charges against the seller.

[sam9876]

No money lost = no crime.  Sorry.