02-01-2023
11:00 AM
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02-01-2023
12:22 PM
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kh-cathy
Based on other comments in the EBay forums about drastic drops in sales, the consensus is that eBay is trying to force small US business off of eBay in favor of the large Chinese. Many comments are about how eBay modified their sales algorithm about 6 months ago and it killed sales. I'm a top rated seller with 100% positive feedback and my sales are down around 90% and repeated communication with eBay has not helped.
Adding higher fees to most categories certainly fits in that scenario.
02-03-2023 09:21 AM
They definitely favor sellers that list a lot of items and cheap, give them more views etc..
they do not make money on small sellers
02-03-2023 09:48 AM
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Interestingly they just did that. I got an email 20% coupon to redecorate your home.
Clicking the link brought up a page with 2544 home decor items on sale. Some at ridiculous discounts. A sofa listed as $7756 on sale for $1751.
I have seen other coupons in the past. So maybe they are listening.
02-03-2023 10:20 AM
@richard1rst wrote:Point all being there is so much product here and so much diversity therein and great sellers eBay could work with the "collective" towards targeted sales as well. "Entertainment days", "Clothing Days", "Car Crazy Days" etc whereby really decent bargains can be had.
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Interestingly they just did that. I got an email 20% coupon to redecorate your home.
Clicking the link brought up a page with 2544 home decor items on sale. Some at ridiculous discounts. A sofa listed as $7756 on sale for $1751.
I have seen other coupons in the past. So maybe they are listening.
Greetings,
It's certainly not a new concept in sales and done smartly can scale up significantly. For example on slower days of the week is when one does "Entertainment Days" having videos, video games, music, books on and on in sales from said collective as those days are likely be most money stressed. Common collectibles another weekday, towards weekend key up the most expensive items and build upon it. Build upon it to the point consumers know when they're favorite days are coming be that weekly, bi-weekly or monthly and certainly the big businesses in the genre's are welcome to participate.
Why I'd even suggest that the layout format be similar to that of Amazon "offers" as consumers often like to browse sales vs performing searches across that collectives offerings.
Push advertising in targeted fashions across targeted venues as applicable and indeed yes use email to notify consumers perhaps even opt in cellphone texts. As I noted, once a month eBay Rummage Sale. I'd say items sellers in the collective want commit to any of these sales have to be committed a few weeks in advance under a price lock. Items may sell at regular price before said sale but once committed to the sale the items price cannot be manipulated and strict rules about price manipulations, aka: raise price $20 only to have discount come out around the price zone it originally lists at. Price manipulation result in suspensions from the collective on a two strikes rule.
Details and details will of course arise as some sellers try find ways around things to maximize profits but all should be able be dealt with in accordable fashions. It'd also encourage sellers be more performance oriented to maintain their status within the collective.
02-03-2023 11:08 AM
@my-cottage-books-and-antiques wrote:@retro_entertainment_collectibles You say (and I'm only quoting part of it): " Perhaps eBay would be open to concepts of closer partnerships with vendors, a collective. Concepts such as focal sales days and dates whereby members of said collective (best vendors) have site wide or categorical sales that eBay could promote and orient on site. "
I've been suggesting similar things for years. ebay talks a lot about how valuable we sellers are, and ebay does work directly with a limited number of sellers for things like Daily Deals, Livestreams, and even to get certain merchandise onto the site. But ebay has never really leveraged its seller base as an asset. ebay has been doing a good job of "milking" the base.....fee increases, Promoted Listings etc...but has never figured out how to really work with sellers.
Your suggestion is a good one. And I've repeatedly asked ebay to at the very least give us advance notice if they are going to be running a specific marketing or ad campaign so that we can try to benefit from it. But getting ebay to actually work with the seller base is an uphill battle.
I'd love to hear some of your other suggestions....
Greetings,
I've put forth some concepts such as a refined statistical system towards seller and consumer confidence and safety I assume you have saw. I've put forth concept of localized online malls which I also assume you may have read of.
There are vendors here at eBay that directly in their listings promote off site trading and purchasing inventories from consumers whereby eBay completely misses out on a single red cent. Sure they are not supposed to do that but they do and its not as if they link their websites, nope, all it takes is a google search and there ya are. eBay should have a mechanism by which consumers can offer up things directly to a vendor if they so choose, simply a private listing targeted at a given vendor whereby the "trade or sale" is literally "Held by the hand" via automation, a step by step process easy peasy.
eBay stores should be much more robust in features like any decent webstore application. They should allow for subdomain, "Cottagebooksandantiques.ebay.com" and the application afford proper indexing just as common eStore software does. So, you could submit to Bing, Google, other search engines. Many commerce apps allow for aggregate partners whereby say you find a collectibles forum and they agree to affiliate link products for a commission. We don't even have upsell ability in the storefronts, they are very basic which I find very surprising. IMHO should be capability of unique domain essentially meaning you're robust featured eBay store is quite transparently its own entity other than "Powered by eBay" on it. These can also be grouped into localized online malls whereby eBay also sell ad space, attract localized businesses and can be done many a way. Californiamall.eBay.com, SanAntoniomall.ebay.com, YorkshireMall.eBay.uk etc.
Taken another direction can do Petmall.eBay.com, CustomAuto.eBay.com and in order for sellers to be included in said malls (which can indeed have all sorts of scheduled promotions!) performance matters.
You can see levels of commonality that I am speaking of in not only refining eBay as a whole but extending it atop those refinements. Being a software (toot toot!) engineer w/ marketing the commonality towards changes and scaling remains logical and thus there are not buckets of fringe program code laying around that in time become spaghetti.
Ask yourself how many small and moderate sized businesses have tried operate their own online storefronts? Most of them fail miserably as key components towards knowledge and effort are not there. I can have the most lovely storefront on the net but if nobodys coming its moot. Online malls failed because just TOO MUCH, they sat in a globalized scope much like eBay itself. Just too much to reasonably view. Not a ONE OF THEM ever moved towards refinement into localized/regional commerce.
Nobody cares believe me but my ex is one of the key entities that resulted in Amazon's marketplace. They had auctions and zShops which were failing miserably. It was my ex being a political/marketing beastie who called Amazon, worked through the phone channels ending up talking to a Mr. Tsuzak (spelling aside). He was the CMO of Amazon and they'd talked and talked and talked time and again for hours about commerce, politics and this and that. Yeah, in 15+ years with her I learned a few things LOL. They implemented the marketplace did away with the existing venues and it exploded just as she predicted it would. Me well, I coded up a reprice engine that when submitted to Amazon for review they were blown away by but the repricer was so very aggressive in capability they "kindly" told me "uh no" as it in the hands of thousands of sellers it could devalue their entire marketplace in huge fashion as well as scant time. True... Dummy me never thought of that.
eBay is also missing out in huge fashion on the capability of mobile technology. There's lots of collectors of items out there including consumers and dealers not to mention other consumables. Show me a site whereby I can submit what I am seeking and notifies me when a seller has it up for sale. This is where detailed information in a database counts, UPC/EAN etc codes. Want sellers build that database sorta requires they've reason to and "because google wants it" doesn't exactly equate to sellers going, "Oh, does that put soup in my dish? I dont see it?"
I can go on...
02-05-2023 03:24 AM
This is not a political forum or a forum for discussing all the things you think are wrong with America. That you think it is appropriate to state all your personal beliefs about how Biden is destroying America in this forum is one of the things wrong with America.
02-05-2023 03:31 AM
You don't understand stand how discussing issues in a forum does any good yet here you are in a forum complaining? nd does your comment do anything to help shed light on the central question? Go troll somewhere else.
02-05-2023 03:35 AM
This is not a forum for discussing your theories about politics and the destruction of America.
02-05-2023 03:38 AM
BTW, if there is nothing that eBay is doing or can do to change their algorithm why do the customer service people mention that as the reason that my eBay sales have dropped? That is what they told me twice. Different reps.
02-05-2023 03:50 AM
"Based on other comments in the EBay forums about drastic drops in sales, the consensus is that eBay is trying to force small US business off of eBay in favor of the large Chinese."
If this were true eBay would not have altered listing forms so selling by cellphone can compete and eclipse the ease of listing by computer. Big business relies on computer use not cellphones.
03-01-2023 06:37 PM
I tend to agree with this theory as I have been on Ebay since 2009. I have consistantly had good sales.
My sales have dropped by 90% on Ebay in the past few months. In fact, due to fees and subscription fees, I am in the negative more often than not! On that note, my identical listings on a competitive site has skyrocketed! In fact it bypasses my Ebay sales by a very large amount. It may be
that Ebay is just going by the wayside due to competition.
03-01-2023 07:27 PM
@majdonh wrote:the consensus is that eBay is trying to force small US business off of eBay in favor of the large Chinese.
I disagree with that.
03-01-2023 07:49 PM
Hi,
You sell a very small range of items, mostly knives and related items. You also have a tiny inventory of under 60 different items when I looked. Your feedback in about 200 per year, which is high for so small an inventory, but at most you sell 1000 items per year, (and I'm probably being too generous) so you're saying, with a 60 items inventory you once sold 10,000 items per year? I find that difficult to believe. But that's what a 90% drop would mean. In any case, I would diversify my wares into other areas and increase the number of items sold. The more you have to sell, the more you can sell. Will it roller-coaster up and down, of course it will. But I think you exaggerate just a bit.
03-02-2023 05:46 AM
@richard1rst "Learn how to implement useful html coding into your listings so as to get your listing to appear on Google. Half of my page views come from Google, not eBay searches."
I plead ignorance here, not tech savvy. Would you tell us how to do this (pretty please with sugar on top)?
03-02-2023 07:42 AM
@stainlessenginecovers wrote:Not sure what you are comparing to, but after Covid, many MILLIONS figured out how to 'sell online' since they couldn't work etc. Now, anything for sale probably has 10 times more competition than was before.
Couldn't work? There were millions of unfilled jobs that people chose not to take because they wanted to be on the government dole.
That is strange because many of my items are vintage one-of-kind.
eBay was built on small time sellers and companies, who invented all the innovations you now see on eBay, including pictures in listings, scheduled listings, eBay's own API, listing software, electronic payments and so on. eBay stole these ideas or bought the company that invented them. eBay was even found guilty of stealing early online auction patents - they didn't invent them.
As a big thanks to all those small time sellers eBay began their first transition to Big Box stores. eBay in turned dumped Big Box stores, the middleman, in favor of Chinese Communist sellers.
eBay latest transition is for these Chinese Communist sellers to take over the low value items, while their concentrating on higher value items in select categories such as sneakers, NFTs and other artificially created collectibles.
eBay CEOS have shown their total disdain for small time sellers by referring to them as so many garage sale operators and referred to buyers as low value customers.
Look at what eBay did for its Chinese Communist partners in 2010, when they negotiated a deal between eBay, USPS and China Post to exploit a 1969 Universal Postal Union program designed to help poor people. This cause USPS to lose billions of dollars, which USPS made up for by raising domestic rates, which in turn eBay more money. This destroy American manufacturing jobs as well as U.S. based eBay sellers by allowing Chinese goods to be dumped into the American market by our own post office. Thankfully Trump put an end to this, while Obama and Congress sat by and did noting at all.
03-02-2023 07:58 AM
This is so true, why do we allow this to happen? the shipping cost is truly insanely different
A package from China to New York only cost them $1.50 ?
What a heck is going on ?