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08-08-2023 09:30 PM
Just curious as to whether or not those who felt content and secure with eBay's glitches and changes during the last 6-months still feel that way now? I've noticed fewer efforts to defend eBay lately. Your thoughts?
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08-09-2023 11:48 PM
I feel like the OP is baiting, and I won't go for it.
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08-10-2023 05:20 AM
I suggest promoting at 100%. Feebay will love you!
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08-10-2023 07:58 AM
@zamo-zuan Its such a bummer to hear that you have lost faith. But honestly, I have too. You always have the technical data to back up what we are all seeing when we report the glitches and search issues and if ebay is so dense that they cant see the issues right in front of their noses- what chance do we even have of getting a decently running platform again?
Ebay executives should take notice when more and more of the larger small business sellers are getting to the point of ditching ebay. Individual and small business sellers are the heart and sole of this company and are the ones who built it from the ground up- when they leave and take their unique and interesting products with them- there will be no reason for anyone to shop on ebay anymore.
Think about it- basically every new product can be found cheaper and shipped faster on Amazon due to ebays idiotic Promoted listings programs that have raised the cost and price of goods sold here, and pitted sellers against one another.
The search engine is so bad, irrelevant, and cluttered with annoying ads and PL that buyers have to go offsite to google to find actual ebay active listings!
Considering if you feel forced to use promoted listings- ebay has the highest fees in the industry with the least amount of visibility and exposure now
The week to week or daily site changes break the code and cause glitch after glitch and confuse and alienate sellers and buyer alike.
Executives and board members could not give a crap about this company- only that they get the stock up 25 cents to cement in their golden parachutes and million dollar bonuses. Its like when a spoiled rich kid takes over the family business and ruins it because he did not help to make it and has no pride or connection to it. The actual people that take pride in their businesses & ebay are the long time sellers that have struggled to keep things going here despite all the bad changes- and these are the people that ebay ignores the most!
It used to be so exciting to list on ebay knowing that you would sell some of those items the same day , a few more that week, and then the rest would sell eventually. It made us want to list more and sell more. The more effort you put into ebay- the more you were rewarded with sales. You could grow a business here. That is no longer the case. Ebay has gutted and destroyed the search engine to monetize it with pay to play PL PLS PLA. Now buyers are frustrated by irrelevant search and horrible listing pages that hide the seller description under at least 2 rows of ads!!!!!!!
Zamu....... ebay is killing the goose that laid the golden egg---seller's enthusiasm for selling here...... but hey 315 million in ad revenue looks good for this quarter!
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08-10-2023 08:18 AM
I haven't seen or heard anything on eBay that scares me. My day job is heavily reliant on our IT areas and various systems and I know how convoluted and disastrous they can be any time we have major software releases. Some are code related, but some are "stupid decision" related and I've made my fair share of stupid decisions. We just have to roll with it and make the best of it and keep our own departments running as best we can even if other areas are negatively impacting us.
Maybe if I was a full-time seller I'd feel differently but if I were I"d be on 3 or 4 platforms just to stay less reliant on eBay and not put all my faith in one entity.
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08-10-2023 08:30 AM
Will there be Fairy Dust & Unicorns???
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08-10-2023 08:33 AM - edited 08-10-2023 08:34 AM
Yeah and much of the issues are easily reproduceable.
Adding up the traffic page and ad page and traffic report, noticing that ALL of them are very different totals, makes it quite apparent. And it was heavily covered that the traffic issues appeared when performance issues began.
I can link listings that will tell you the vehicle isn't compatible with vehicles that are literally on the compatibility chart.
How about the traffic page totals going to > 100%? Which is IMPOSSIBLE, lol. This alone should make it pretty clear that there's a problem:
Or handling time being ignored in a listing that clearly has it set?
They "removed" Guaranteed Delivery like two years ago at this point. So how come our rate table pages STILL have the delivery time options from the Guaranteed Delivery program? Meanwhile, they REMOVED the admin/settings page for GD. Meaning there's no way to turn off Guaranteed Delivery.
TLDR: This means there's TWO different shipping systems running at the same time. And depending on which GD settings you had when they removed the feature determines which one you are in. Our shipping settings do NOT function like the shipping settings work for new sellers and/or sellers who did not have D2D Guaranteed Delivery chosen.
The only response I really got from eBay on ANY of these was regarding the traffic page and was not helpful at all:
"As part of Halo attribution, we made a change to how clicks are defined. Clicks are any interaction with the promoted listing, i.e. if a buyer marks the listing as Add to watch, we will account for that as a click. This makes the data reported on Performance tab a bit further off because Performance tab is displaying Page Views but Ads dashboard is displaying the clicks as per this latest definition. Here is the link for Seller Announcement -> https://www.ebayads.com/2023/02/15/seller-announcement-promoted-listings-standard-fees-are-changing/...
Ironically this debunks their whole excuse. They say "clicks" on the Promo page include not only Views, but any interaction, right? Well if 100% of our items are in promos, then based on this explanation, it should be impossible for the Performance page numbers to be higher than the Promotion page. Meanwhile, I've shown evidence to them that the Performance page is CONSISTENTLY higher than the Promo page!
Yet they still offer no explanation.
The crazy part? A few weeks back, (as commented on this thread: https://community.ebay.com/t5/Selling/Notice-something-with-Promoted-listing-impressions-dropped/m-p... People thought something was broken because the impressions drop, but the reality is they had actually FIXED the issue with the performance and promo page reporting wrong numbers! It was a FIX, not an error! The graphs people were seeing before (with huge amounts of impressions) was the incorrect one! Of course people were wondering why impressions dropped, but things were functioning HOW THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO. Which meant yes, the traffic numbers did drop, but to levels that actually MATCHED the statistics. They were the real statistics without any reporting errors showing higher impressions than the other pages.
But then after reports of the issue, they "fixed it" - and then visually the impressions showed up higher (alongside performance actually dropping).
So this makes it clear they aren't even able to tell the difference between a glitch and working properly anymore, and they're "fixing" things when they are actually working properly. Which means they're relying on broken statistic reports to fix their reporting errors...
And then there's the issue that happened awhile back now.. Do you remember a couple months back with items stocks getting changed on the monthly GTC relist? The one they blamed on EIS? Here is a link to them mentioning it: https://community.ebay.com/t5/Announcements/Seller-Protections-for-listings-with-International-Shipp...
I had reported this to them, and for example, what was happening at the time was if your listing had quantity set to "2", the listing itself was displaying "2" stock. But if you used any of the eBay API functions to check the item, eBay was actually reporting an INCORRECT stock (like 20).
To summarize, the listing page itself had the stock number correct, but eBay's internal data was showing an incorrect number.
Once the GTC time expired for the month and it relisted, rather than using 2, it was using the INCORRECT stock number reported by the API. So listings were being relisted with 20 stock, even though they were not set to 20.
They announced they "fixed it", and now when the GTC relists, it is staying with the original stock (2).
BUT! If you check any of the data of these listings, the quantity is still incorrect! The quantity number on the listing page is NOT matching their internal data! And this error is still happening to this day!
Meaning rather than fixing the actual issue (or even finding it), they did a bandaid to fix GTC relisting. But the problem wasn't even GTC to begin with - the problem is that their underlying data is reporting a wrong number! And it still is!
They aren't even able to properly find glitches in their system and fix them. There's no reason that I should be able to diagnose an issue better than they can, because I can only see a fraction of what an internal developer could.
So yeah, definitely lost faith. They obviously don't know what they're doing, they have no clue what's going on, and can't possibly know how to fix it.
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08-10-2023 08:46 AM
For me the biggest glitch is the LACK of sales.
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08-10-2023 08:59 AM
The search hasn't been fixed yet. People have been reporting it for 2 weeks now. Still get the same "we looked everywhere " page when narrowing by item specifics.
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08-10-2023 09:07 AM
I hear ya. If that was LSU I'd be all over it. That's a very nice placard magnet. That shoulda been gone in a day or two. Holler at me when u get an LSU.
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08-10-2023 09:22 AM
The wild card / description play search has not worked for over a year+ easy.
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08-10-2023 09:34 AM
I agree with your assessment. Code is basically ones & zeros. The problem is that the they have no idea what is wrong or what they are doing. Granted I have no idea how to fix it but it is evident that the programmers/designers are under qualified to understand the big picture. Until Ebay invests in a IT development team that is competent enough and actually qualified to work on such a vast system- we will continue to see the IT teams just fixing glitches as they appear and putting Band-Aids on everything.
To manage a system so complicated as ebay - the people NEED to have a complete understanding of how ALL the systems work together. The joke of it is- they have been upgrading with new code and getting rid of the legacy coding.......... how could it be worse??........inexperienced and underqualified cheap labor.
From what I can tell- most the problems are because of writing code to allow more manipulation of search to push all the PL ads. What a disaster. - change this to allow us to report Halo clicks, change algos to insert mort PL instead of relevant organic results, Change the listing view to make better---oh wait nothing changed- still breaks up the item description with promoted listing carousels confusing the buyer and killing conversion, and on and on and on.
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08-10-2023 10:50 AM
@siamjane8 wrote:I agree with your assessment. Code is basically ones & zeros. The problem is that the they have no idea what is wrong or what they are doing. Granted I have no idea how to fix it but it is evident that the programmers/designers are under qualified to understand the big picture. Until Ebay invests in a IT development team that is competent enough and actually qualified to work on such a vast system- we will continue to see the IT teams just fixing glitches as they appear and putting Band-Aids on everything.
To manage a system so complicated as ebay - the people NEED to have a complete understanding of how ALL the systems work together. The joke of it is- they have been upgrading with new code and getting rid of the legacy coding.......... how could it be worse??........inexperienced and underqualified cheap labor.
From what I can tell- most the problems are because of writing code to allow more manipulation of search to push all the PL ads. What a disaster. - change this to allow us to report Halo clicks, change algos to insert mort PL instead of relevant organic results, Change the listing view to make better---oh wait nothing changed- still breaks up the item description with promoted listing carousels confusing the buyer and killing conversion, and on and on and on.
I'll be honest, their changes to halo definitions and all that? All they do is not only allowing them to get more ad funds, but I communicated to eBay directly and said it's clear they're doing whatever they could to explain the fact that their statistics simply don't add up. Change the definitions, claim some of it is off-eBay traffic when the ads don't match the organic, and so on.
The problem is that they are NOT removing the legacy code. That's why the shipping error I mention exists in the first place. There are TWO DIFFERENT SHIPPING SYSTEMS ON EBAY and the only way to change them was the Guaranteed Delivery settings page WHICH THEY REMOVED. It's insane. They kept the "Guaranteed Delivery - Handling Time" and "Guaranteed Delivery - D2D" shipping methods - they only shut off the admin page which allows you to SWITCH them!
If they had actually been getting rid of the legacy code, they would have removed them and only had 1 shipping system for all of eBay.
Does anyone there even know that there's 2 systems at work? Unlikely. Hence the errors we're seeing that I've reported and they "can't find" - probably because they're looking only at the "new" shipping code and have no idea the 2nd one is lost in their spaghetti code.
But really, the last straw that told me there's no hope, is the communication from eBay directly. Or lack of. EBay had actually reached out to me, ironically. They asked for information. But all that was promised in our discussions wasn't delivered, and same as has happened 5+ years ago now, once an issue is found they just ghost and disappear.
So it's clear it's not really about getting these issues fixed. It doesn't seem possible. Even if the reps genuinely want to do it, they don't seem to have the capabilities.
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08-10-2023 04:55 PM
@zamo-zuan . The company is just so disappointed with no real leadership apparently.
eBay has reached out to me as well during the show"unified listing tool" disaster. I ended up on a zoom conference with 7 of 8 of the team development leaders, showing them exactly why it was so extremely bad and poorly designed. It was a tough pill for them to swallow but obviously the push back reached epic levels and that had to respond. It took another year of changes and fun happy the till is better.... Not as good or fast or efficient and the classic tool but at least it's only a bit slower to list with than b4. I appreciated that that they gave me, a real seller a chance to voice to them what was wrong(although it was strikingly obvious to the rest of the world.!) I saw that as a good sign for eBay, but it was also just a small subset of the company that was probably getting allot of flack from above when she's did listing and gmv died off because of the tool.
I'm now afraid that the people higher up and in the financial end of the company are calling as ll the shots more than ever and looking at it from an aspect of stopping the bleeding by just adding fees and ad revinue. We all know that this approach is a bad one to take and will only accelerate ebays decline. Once you lose the short if the people.... You no longer have anything to work with. Sellers have been abused and nickel and fined to death with only less sales to show for it. This is not a sustainable business model for eBay.
Until they start listening to sellers, and fixing what we want, and providing a product with value, more and more will leave, taking their product with them. It's really very simple outside of the bubble that they work within.
It's not all bad ideas though.... They just added as way to send bulk offers... Nice idea and a functional tool for sellers, unfortunately none of it matters with the search engine being so bad and over manipulated. Search is the #1 key, and that is what eBay keeps making worse month over month.
I realize we are all part a "keywords matching" search algorithm........ But man, that's when eBay showed buyers exactly what they searched for, and buyers bought, and sellers sold, and their business could grow.
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08-12-2023 05:36 AM
And yet, you've already responded twice to this thread.

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