Amazon Prime

[this4chris2012]

I purchased on eBay some lotion which came today from an Amazon Fulfillment Center, Amazon Prime on the tape and box and an Amazon gift card inside.

Another case of an eBay seller using Amazon for free shipping. I usually have a live and let live attitude, but for some reason this bugs me.

[usgamecollector]

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@notactive2021 wrote:

eBay doesn't care, but Amazon does and it is against their policy. You can report prime abuse on their website.

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you don't need to report it, amazon knows if someone is abusing prime and they ban the people. You don't have to have prime to dropship from amazon though.

[usgamecollector]

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@Anonymous wrote:

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@sg51 wrote:

If the seller is doing nothing wrong, then the report will do no harm.

Apparently Amazon takes this so seriously that they have provided no way to report its occurrence.

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I haven't looked lately, but I could and DID find where to report the seller.  As I said, they closed down his dozens of 30 day free trial accounts, and the CSR even told me that.

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because a CSR always knows what they are talking about and doesn't just make up stuff to get you off the phone...

[usgamecollector]

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@Anonymous wrote:

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@sg51 wrote:

 If I'm using an Amazon Prime account to foot that bill and pocketing the money, I'm stealing it from someone.

With Amazon Prime, the cost of shipping is spread out over the $99/year paid for Prime, + a charge built into the price.  You are paying for shipping.  Just as you are paying for shipping if you buy a free shipping item on Ebay.

Nothing is being stolen.

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Yeah, actually it is.  The Amazon Prime program has been costed out for the average buyer, not for someone to send items as gifts to several thousand of their closest friends.

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amazon will ban the account well before someone gets over 1000 shipments, amazon does not need other people to alert them that someone is drop shipping, they're not idiots, they have the information. If they feel like it is abuse they will ban it.

[Anonymous]

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@usgamecollector wrote:

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@Anonymous wrote:

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@sg51 wrote:

If the seller is doing nothing wrong, then the report will do no harm.

Apparently Amazon takes this so seriously that they have provided no way to report its occurrence.

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I haven't looked lately, but I could and DID find where to report the seller.  As I said, they closed down his dozens of 30 day free trial accounts, and the CSR even told me that.

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because a CSR always knows what they are talking about and doesn't just make up stuff to get you off the phone...

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Peggy works for Amazon too????

[omgitlightsup]

Cheating. I'm talking about cheating. Stuff that you're not supposed to do. People do it anyway. That's all I'm saying. You can get worked up over it, or you can let it slide, or you can do something to combat it. I respect any of those decisions because what you do with your life is really not my business. But chances are, OP and most others here, are simply feeling a little bent because they didn't think of it first, or because they might have paid less if they'd done a little window shopping and want to punish someone else for their oversight. If that's the case, then all of the rest is just hypocrisy, because if there wasn't anything in it for you, you wouldn't care.

I'm not advocating abuse of Prime, I'm not saying you should cheat in class or defraud the post office or anything like that. I'm not inviting you all to judge me as a human being. The point of the discussion was "OMG I got a package from Prime, what should I do?" My answer was, "shop around next time." You're not going to make me feel guilty because I have too much on my plate to go around doing free loss-prevention consulting for Amazon.

And yeah, of course theft is covered in costs.. that's another poor ethical decision, made by Amazon. "Why should we suffer from theft when we can just pass it along to our other customers and pretend it never happened?" After all, it's far easier and cheaper than trying to stop theft.

State sales tax. Music copyrights. Parking. Chances are many people in this thread have absolutely zero respect for those things, too. Guess how many sellers on eBay abuse their workplace shipping accounts? 

If you want something to feel righteous about, go bust a deadbeat dad or something. 

[the*dog*ate*my*tablecloth]

Cheaters are cheaters. If they cheat in one area of their lives, they will cheat in others.

Last I knew we all had the opportunity to decide where our ethics lie and tolerance for the lies of others. Being unhappy because someone cheats Prime in no way stops people from reporting deadbeat dads.

This is starting to feel like that whole "stop snitching" thing to me. Protect the guilty and make the innocent feel guilty.

I'm over and out. Fully cooked adults don't change their ethical viewpoint. People are ethical or they are not. This discussion is pointless.

[llllady]

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@the*dog*ate*my*tablecloth wrote:

Cheaters are cheaters. If they cheat in one area of their lives, they will cheat in others.

Last I knew we all had the opportunity to decide where our ethics lie and tolerance for the lies of others. Being unhappy because someone cheats Prime in no way stops people from reporting deadbeat dads.

This is starting to feel like that whole "stop snitching" thing to me. Protect the guilty and make the innocent feel guilty.

I'm over and out. Fully cooked adults don't change their ethical viewpoint. People are ethical or they are not. This discussion is pointless.

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I'm okay with how I feel about this subject, and it doesn't make me a a cheater or unethical.  Why am I okay with how I feel on this subject?  Because I always remember that Jesus died to save the sinners, not the self-righteous. 

I don't normally "tout" religion, but sometimes you need to pull it out as a reminder. 

Have a good one!

[omgitlightsup]

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@llllady wrote:
 

I'm okay with how I feel about this subject, and it doesn't make me a a cheater or unethical.  Why am I okay with how I feel on this subject?  Because I always remember that Jesus died to save the sinners, not the self-righteous. 

I don't normally "tout" religion, but sometimes you need to pull it out as a reminder. 

Have a good one!

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Yeah, that!

[ooak-tammy]

So, you shut down some guy's business to protect Amazon? So he cannot sell and perhaps he and his family will be on food stamps which raises all our taxes. Wonderful.

[pikabo-icu]

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@the*dog*ate*my*tablecloth wrote:

Cheaters are cheaters. If they cheat in one area of their lives, they will cheat in others.

Last I knew we all had the opportunity to decide where our ethics lie and tolerance for the lies of others. Being unhappy because someone cheats Prime in no way stops people from reporting deadbeat dads.

This is starting to feel like that whole "stop snitching" thing to me. Protect the guilty and make the innocent feel guilty.

I'm over and out. Fully cooked adults don't change their ethical viewpoint. People are ethical or they are not. This discussion is pointless.

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THIS!!!  ^^^  I could not agree more... 

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@llllady wrote:


I'm okay with how I feel about this subject, and it doesn't make me a a cheater or unethical. Why am I okay with how I feel on this subject? Because I always remember that Jesus died to save the sinners, not the self-righteous. 

I don't normally "tout" religion, but sometimes you need to pull it out as a reminder.

Are you serious??  I'm a Christian, I never mention it- or at least VERY rarely..

Jesus died for sinners yes but he also told them : "Go and sin no more"

Having good ethics & morals and trying to live as Jesus TOLD us to live is NOT self righteous! Sinners will sin yes but if they're saved they will be immediately convicted in their heart and try to sin no more.

We are not to judge others but we are to point out sin when we see it not as a weapon but to lead the person back to the right path.

The often misquoted verse:

"Judge not less ye be judged" is not the end of the scripture. It continues; "For with the measure that you judge that same shall be measured unto you". 

That means @the*dog*ate*my*tablecloth  would be self righteous ONLY if they also used PRIME to ship to customers. 

FYI: God hates an unbalanced scale.

Doctrine lesson over... 

As Tablecloth posted I'm out. You can't force a person to have integrity & ethics on a subject. 

[llllady]

Doctrine lesson over... 

Thank God!

[scstool]

Maybe Amazon is also "stealing"?

http://postalnews.com/blog/2017/07/14/analyst-claims-usps-is-subsidizing-amazon/

Sometimes it boils down to this: When a corporation or Government steals, it is called good business.

When an individual steals, it is called stealing.

Someone mention an Amazon FBA seller pays 15% commission. He does, but he also pays a significant "fulfillment fee" that includes picking, packing, shipping, and handling customer service. Amazon also makes a fortune on storage fees, which is why they are still building many millions of square feet of new warehouses.

It would take some extensive analysis to determine if taxpayers are getting cheated with Amazon shipping. It sure seems like we are with the Chinese shipping.

[retrose1]

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@ooak-tammy wrote:
So, you shut down some guy's business to protect Amazon? So he cannot sell and perhaps he and his family will be on food stamps which raises all our taxes. Wonderful.

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And if he was scamming the system on Amazon, the odds are that he will scam the food stamp system too.

[dlatner]

The problem is that eBay requires that you actually have the item you are selling. That way the winning bidder actually gets his item. Amazon doesn't guarantee they have any items in stock, so when you win a bid from a drop shipping, you often get an email from them saying something went wrong and they cancel the order. If you needed the item in a hurry, this is a huge waste of time to find out they didn't actually have the item they were 'selling'. That's why it's inappropriate. Since you never know if Amazon has an item in stock, you only find that out when you place your order -- and selling items on eBay that you really don't have is a violation of eBay rules.

[brian@ebay]

Hi everyone,

Due to the length of time that has passed since this thread began, we have locked it from future replies. If this is still an issue that warrants discussion, don't hesitate to begin a new thread here.

Thanks.